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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:22:00 -
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I got the impression I'd been thought of and therefore won't be allowed to compete, but I could be wrong. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:42:00 -
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Shadoo wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P How do you determine "good"? I considered SCL #3 probably the most competitive EVE esports even I've ever watched so far. Is that not a definition of "good"? Or are you talking about price pool? Is NEO (in theory) with a 10,000$ cash pool + other stuff not better for small teams? And as such "good" for the hebrew inclined among us? Or are you talking about exposure/viewership? I agree in that sense Alliance Tournament is indeed "good", but surely it's "good" because we are following our arch-enemies, our "friends" we love to see fail and our real friends we'd like to see succeed. Is it not better if people like SOLAR, Red Alliance, Goonswarm, TEST Alliance, etc etc etc are competing than let's say a new alliance called "Lord Commander Jon Snow Dies" which is made out of 20 160mil SP characters and only exists during the summer. It seems like a very sound strategy to bring the "Alliance" back to the "Alliance Tournament" and put the exceptional teams to New Eden Open with team-oriented prices. And as you well know -- Pandemic Legion loses in every tournament, no matter of the format or people participating.
this ^
its called ALLIANCE Tournament
In my opinion, this Tournament is not about EVE sports, this is a measuring d*cks sizes between the most active and prolific alliances in EVE to see who has the biggest one.
That's is why I watch this Tournament and I don't even bother or care about any other EVE Tournament.
So please, stop ruining this only moment of the year for us, players that are in an Alliance, that considers their home, that will fight for it until their last ship they have in the stations and stop crying and talk about pro sports and competitive teams and PVP **** for a moment, step back and look to the bigger picture:
this is about ALLIANCES brawling to see who has the biggest d*ck and that is it. Test 1, 2, 3... |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
248
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:15:00 -
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You know it's not yours right? |
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
153
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:41:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:My home alliance is Dystopia, just because one of my chars is in PL most of the time doesn't make it my home alliance, nor have I ever had anything to do with their AT, NEO or SCL teams.
Most of my characters are in Dystopia, the alliance I actually own and run. But hey if you guys just made this rules change to be dicks which is what it sounds like there won't be a Tyrrax on team Tyrrax.
I vote for Tyrrax moving back to Dystopia :) +1 |
Draekas Darkwater
Frank Exchange of Views
16
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Posted - 2013.05.16 17:33:00 -
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Unforgiven Storm wrote:Shadoo wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:None of those are anywhere near as good as the alliance tournament , NEO was pretty much garbage and SCL is only really good as practise for the CCP tournaments so yes that isn't enough high level esports opportunities
Alliance Tournament is also the only one with prizes worth a significant amount.
But hey at least this rule makes it easier for PL to finally reclaim its tourney throne ;P How do you determine "good"? I considered SCL #3 probably the most competitive EVE esports even I've ever watched so far. Is that not a definition of "good"? Or are you talking about price pool? Is NEO (in theory) with a 10,000$ cash pool + other stuff not better for small teams? And as such "good" for the hebrew inclined among us? Or are you talking about exposure/viewership? I agree in that sense Alliance Tournament is indeed "good", but surely it's "good" because we are following our arch-enemies, our "friends" we love to see fail and our real friends we'd like to see succeed. Is it not better if people like SOLAR, Red Alliance, Goonswarm, TEST Alliance, etc etc etc are competing than let's say a new alliance called "Lord Commander Jon Snow Dies" which is made out of 20 160mil SP characters and only exists during the summer. It seems like a very sound strategy to bring the "Alliance" back to the "Alliance Tournament" and put the exceptional teams to New Eden Open with team-oriented prices. And as you well know -- Pandemic Legion loses in every tournament, no matter of the format or people participating. this ^ its called ALLIANCE Tournament In my opinion, this Tournament is not about EVE sports, this is a measuring d*cks sizes between the most active and prolific alliances in EVE to see who has the biggest one. That's is why I watch this Tournament and I don't even bother or care about any other EVE Tournament. So please, stop ruining this only moment of the year for us, players that are in an Alliance, that considers their home, that will fight for it until their last ship they have in the stations and stop crying and talk about pro sports and competitive teams and PVP **** for a moment, step back and look to the bigger picture: this is about ALLIANCES brawling to see who has the biggest d*ck and that is it.
Alliance Epeen is already measured daily on Tranquility, through kill boards, sov maps, ect, and even out of the game on forums for example. Those are alliance wide efforts.
The AT teams aren't alliance wide efforts, they are small groups or organized individuals who (the good ones anyway) spend weeks/months practicing together. The "alliance" restriction is basically just an arbitrary restriction on who can play on a certain team. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
272
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:57:00 -
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Temporarily locked for some cleaning and dusting. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
235
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:53:00 -
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I've often argued for CCP to do a ruling to eff Tyrrax outta the AT w/ no notice and no chance for him to fix it.
So CCP I thank you.
Can't wait to get named AT victors after we get DQ'd during the prelims.
JEFFRAIDER Pandemic Legion Spock Dies In Star Trek 2 Coalition |
Titus Veridius
Calamitous-Intent
15
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:39:00 -
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Seriously,
You fucks.
If you weren't the designers of my favorite game....
Love Titus Veridius |
Ra1ne
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:48:00 -
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posts being deleted? sure this was over 120 yesterday when i looked.
Incidentally i will add that that this is rather sneaky on ccp's part. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
5879
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:34:00 -
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Hey guys, CCP Gargant and I have been keeping a close eye on the community petition queue and we have seen and considered every petition there so far. We're going to hold off on announcing most decisions so far until we have had a chance to discuss them with the wider team, but I wanted to make sure you all knew that we have not forgotten anyone. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Longdrinks
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:08:00 -
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cool rulechange, nice whining A++ would read thread again |
Glasgow Dunlop
Gigaverse The Imperial Senate
73
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:21:00 -
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When do we sign up?
Teams that is. . . . twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á GLASGOW MEET June 8th http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229549&find=unread
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DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
219
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys, CCP Gargant and I have been keeping a close eye on the community petition queue and we have seen and considered every petition there so far. We're going to hold off on announcing most decisions so far until we have had a chance to discuss them with the wider team, but I wanted to make sure you all knew that we have not forgotten anyone.
thank you for keeping us updated. I hope you will consider everyone. I completely understand the rule, however I do know that there are a lot of situations that include a lot of people that have posted here, that hopefully will be allowed to join there teams. The tournament is better off, imo, with some of the names people can recognize. For example, Tyrrax and his fun crazy set-ups that sometimes succeed in the most entertaining ways, and groups like 8cas, that do fly together under a corp, but form an alliance to be able to participate in the tournies. Most of everyone that has posted here has a deep root in the tourney and it wouldn't be the same or as fun without them.
I truly do appreciate you guys taking us all into consideration. If you don't mind, can you give us updates periodically on the petitions? Things like group meet today and discussed things, will meet again tommarrow. That way those of us, hoping will have some sort of updates from time to time.
Thank you,
WildCat |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
2858
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:06:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote: I truly do appreciate you guys taking us all into consideration. If you don't mind, can you give us updates periodically on the petitions? Things like group meet today and discussed things, will meet again tommarrow. That way those of us, hoping will have some sort of updates from time to time.
There's probably nothing more important to do two weeks before an expansion.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
219
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:16:00 -
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Roime wrote:DHB WildCat wrote: I truly do appreciate you guys taking us all into consideration. If you don't mind, can you give us updates periodically on the petitions? Things like group meet today and discussed things, will meet again tommarrow. That way those of us, hoping will have some sort of updates from time to time.
There's probably nothing more important to do two weeks before an expansion.
don't get me wrong, by no means do I think this should take priority over the game itself. I was just asking if they had an extra 5 mins, if they could keep us updated. |
Leucy Kerastase
650BN
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:42:00 -
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Dev blog wrote:the format will become a 1 - 2 - 1 type rather than the 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 that we saw in the NEO
Um, excuse me, what part of the NEO rule is the above referring to? (Is this the right place to ask? )
Is it this part?
NEO rules wrote:Bans are done sequentially in alternating order. For example Team A will take the first ban, Team B will take the second ban, Team A will take the third ban and Team B will finish the banning phase with the fourth ban.
Meaning like, at AT XI, team A takes the first ban, then the 2nd and 3rd bans are taken at the same time by both teams, and then team B takes the last ban? |
Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
203
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:55:00 -
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I'm assuming it means team A gets first ban, then team B gets 2 bans, and team A gets final ban. |
Andrea Griffin
436
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:55:00 -
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I think the ban system is a great innovation from other tournaments and I'm happy to see it being included for the official alliance tournament. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Tribal Band
316
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:25:00 -
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Jaangel wrote:Can someone please explain why the cut off for creating an alliance was before the time of the dev blog.
In the past certain groups of affiliated people have meta-gamed the hell out of AT by putting in multiple teams using multiple alliances, or creating alliances specifically for AT that would not exist for any other reason. This year, CCP dropped the deadline on us without notice. Thus, where your characters are now is where they will compete, or you simply won't compete.
The amount of QQ in this thread is awe-inspiring. It's like a river of delicious salty tears squeezed fresh from the tear ducts of the worst of the worst of the meta-gamers.
Rather than crying about how unfair this is on the forums, why don't you just form up your fleets in your current alliance and do you best? Stop complaining about how "unfair" this is, when it perfectly fair, and a far sight better than what has happened the the last couple ATs.
There is a phrase that is popular in Eve. What was it? heighten... horrid... harden... thats it. HTFU
And heres the video in case you forgot what that means. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
261
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:51:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Rather than crying about how unfair this is on the forums, why don't you just form up your fleets in your current alliance and do you best?
I won't fly with PL's AT team because I want to win with my own team - which I've been fielding since the first alliance tournament,
Also because PL was way too dominant in the alliance tournament when I originally joined them for some fun pew pew, woulda felt like a lame winning team joiner if I abandoned my old team to join theirs.
Soldarius wrote:Stop complaining about how "unfair" this is, when it perfectly fair, and a far sight better than what has happened the the last couple ATs.
CCP had established a precedent of giving advance notice of when the cutoff date for membership was, this time they pulled the rug out from under everyone preparing for the tournament by not doing so. There's nothing fair about it, so complaining about it is perfectly reasonable.
CCP should let us know before they make major changes to the tournament, hell maybe even discuss things with their players / CSM / participants. |
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:14:00 -
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Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Soldarius wrote:Rather than crying about how unfair this is on the forums, why don't you just form up your fleets in your current alliance and do you best? I won't fly with PL's AT team because I want to win with my own team - which I've been fielding since the first alliance tournament, Also because PL was way too dominant in the alliance tournament when I originally joined them for some fun pew pew, woulda felt like a lame winning team joiner if I abandoned my old team to join theirs. Soldarius wrote:Stop complaining about how "unfair" this is, when it perfectly fair, and a far sight better than what has happened the the last couple ATs. CCP had established a precedent of giving advance notice of when the cutoff date for membership was, this time they pulled the rug out from under everyone preparing for the tournament by not doing so. There's nothing fair about it, so complaining about it is perfectly reasonable. CCP should let us know before they make major changes to the tournament, hell maybe even discuss things with their players / CSM / participants.
The purpose of said notice was never so people could jump to their vanity corps. The reason for the cutoff was always to specifically prevent that. I'm not sure what the thought was here, perhaps an oversight or perhaps on purpose but there was NEVER an instance of the ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT where having people jump corps/alliances was desirable. The rules were always in place to discourage that or try to prevent it. I'm not sure I have a lot of sympathy for people being upset that they'll have to stay in their actual alliances for the alliance tournament. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
261
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:27:00 -
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I know that wasn't its purpose, simply pointing out that changing from having some warning as it's always been in the past over to "petition us and we might let you join your team" isn't particularly "fair" as the above poster was claiming.
All the cutoff did was discourage, not specifically prevent - which was a good thing for the competitiveness of the tournament, it meant people who were actually serious about the tournament could still do their thing if they were willing to make the sacrifice of their team in forming teams like Seldarine's , DHB Wildcat's and basically helping every team that isn't like PL or GoonSwarm and might actually need to do some moving around to be capable of fielding a competitive team.
As for your sympathy wasn't aware you had any for anyone ever so that's not saying much ;O |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2637
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:12:00 -
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Please continue to let the butt-hurt flow. Its not going to change because of a couple of dudes bitching.
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
/P
GÖÑ WTB Archon's in bulk. Mail me GÖÑ Monocle Clubhouse Lotteries GÖÑ
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2473
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:30:00 -
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I have removed some trolling from this thread. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Jump SuperCaps Now
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:33:00 -
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Look at it this way: that Alliance Tournament is essentially the Olympic Games of EVE. People can move from one country to another, but it's intended that you represent the country that you claim as your own the whole year round.
Interesting statement. So what defines the home alliance? Lets take sports and the olympic look even further here.
Cristiano Renaldo - famous soccer player (yes im american) who plays for "Spanish" club Real Madrid, but is the captain of the portuguese national team. Meaning he lives and plays most of his soccer in spain with a spanish team, but represents portugul in the olympics and world cup.
In america - we have many cuban born players that live and play baseball in america their entire adult lives, but every 4 years represent (or used to before the olympics dropped baseball) Cuba in the olympics.
Many European born Basketball players (manu ginobli - argentina, Steve Nash - born in south africa, claims Canada as home country but lives in the US.)
I could go on for literrally pages upon poorly spelled pages. However the point is, that in your example people are allowed to live and work in another country other than the one they claim as their home.
Eve example coming to mind - Tyrrax Thorrk, claims Dystopia as home alliance, lives with PL. According to your Olympic example, this is acceptable.
In fact if you want to put limitations on alliances and they tournament then do it on the alliances and not the players.
I hope you'll realize that the best course of action is to just set a date a few days from now and say you must be in the alliance by then. Then after this alliance touranment you can put strict measures upon the alliances. Just give some warning, please. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2648
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Posted - 2013.05.21 10:37:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have removed some trolling from this thread. Whilst in the process removing points about how people should stop crying and accept the new rules. WTB Archon's in bulk. Mail me GÖÑ Monocle Clubhouse Lotteries GÖÑ
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
265
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:04:00 -
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Unsurprisingly got a F U petition reply just now from CCP |
Lord Booya
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:23:00 -
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Surprise, surprise...... The ex PL devs are putting in rules that guarantee a PL win in the tournament. GJ t-20 fozzie, GJ.
This is abuse of power, plain and simple. |
DHB WildCat
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
222
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:26:00 -
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Lord Booya wrote:Surprise, surprise...... The ex PL devs are putting in rules that guarantee a PL win in the tournament. GJ t-20 fozzie, GJ.
This is abuse of power, plain and simple.
hmmmmmmm does make you scratch your head. GL to everyone participating. I guess Im not worthy enough. Too bad, since tournaments are the only small gang warfare left in this game.
Grats Pandemic Legion, you guys put metagaming to an all new level! 8) |
Boiglio
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.05.24 14:26:00 -
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I received a response to my petition. I've always understood that discussing or sharing petition-based interactions with other players is considered not exactly kosher with CCP. CAStabouts is scrambling to determine our best path forward in light of your decisions. I need to know if I can share the response to my petition with my teammates so that we all have the same information/wording to work from going forward. I responded with a message in the petition system, but have not received a reply. Posting here in the hopes someone recognizes the need for timely feedback in one place or the other.
Always,
Boiglio
PS. I don't suppose there's any hope of additional point categories added to the tournament for things like "shopping in Jita", "combat probing", "manufacturing and research", or "organizing things into hangars"? Yeah, I didn't think so either. Ah well, never hurts to ask, right? |
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