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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.10.15 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/10/2005 14:32:32
Statement by Jericho Fraction ~ approved by the CEO and Directors
It will come as no great surprise to any seasoned observer that Jericho Fraction finds itself once more in a state of conflict with the Northern enclosurist power that styles itself Imperial Republic of the North (IRON).
The latest ceasefire was broken by IRON pilots repeatedly engaging our ships without provocation in the open region of Pure Blind. Citing a whole catalogue of excuses and forgetting the fact that we haven't raised a finger against them in any form since the mutually agreed cessation of hostilities, IRON and their vassal corporations have made a mockery of diplomacy and proven they are incapable of honouring a pact and respecting the independence of their neighbours.
Jericho has made exhaustive attempts to settle these matters diplomatically and honestly with forthright negotiation and calm re-stating of our interests and rules of engagement. In the face of xenophobia from the IRON leadership, all to no avail.
IRON is an organisation that is fixated on the feud with Band of Brothers (BoB) and the spectre of their slain ancestor organisation, NSA. Such is their hatred and fear of those who once defeated them, IRON cannot bear to see any organisation in the north that does not share their vendetta. They have now stated in the clearest possible terms their standings enclosurism and resolute policy that anyone who does not set BoB to -10KOS will be -10KOS to IRON.
Naturally this is unacceptable to any truly independent organisation. To even receive such a clownish diktat is abhorrent. Any corporation that bends its knee to the old 'if you are not with us, you are against us!' mantra is surrendering their distinctiveness, identity and pride to a band of ambitious jackals.
Whatever the attributes and actions of BoB, they cannot be as disgusting and unwelcome as the IRON thought-police: gangsters intent on forcibly enlisting once-independent corporations into the service of the IRON Executor's vainglory.
If as IRON demand, a choice must be made between -10KOS against BoB or receiving -10KOS from IRON, then there is no choice at all. Anyone who has experienced the bullying of IRON will have a hard time believing that BoB are the devils of the piece. No-one who has been treated to the childish farce that is IRON 'diplomacy' can easily credit them with the role of shining knights practising a gallant stewardship of the North.
In plain terms, IRON cannot be trusted. They have broken four separate ceasefires with Jericho in the past, despite the fact that we have respected these ceasefires to the letter, and justified these failings with an insulting array of mealy-mouthed evasions. Whatever else has been said of BoB, they have never broken an agreement with us and have always kept their word. They have been steadfast friends since the foundation of BoB. They have never turned their back on us and we will not turn our backs on them.
So, another turn of the wheel of tyranny and for the third time in a year IRON instruct their vassals to set standings pleasing to their Executor and declare Jericho Fraction outlaws in the North.
So be it.
This time there will be no relenting in the struggle. We understand now that for the North to be free it must be burned down and made ash to nourish the hope of true freedom.
NB: the IRON press release their policy now contradicts is viewable here.
What follows is a chatlog of JF and IRON diplomats discussing the unilateral breaking of the ceasefire by IRON. It is edited purely for clarity. We reserve our right to release the full log if challenged as to its truth.
Voice of the Freecaptains Jericho Fraction |
The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.10.15 14:33:00 -
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JF> so you are basically saying that unless a neutral corporation agrees to set the enemies of IRON to -10KOS they will themselves become -10KOS to you? Is that right?
IRON> That's a very short translation, but basically yes, if you share the same space as us
JF> We didn't think Pureblind was claimed by IRON?
IRON> PB being a corridor for IRON... I'll bring you concerns to the management, but we don't nap anyone. Be friend, be foe, it's your call, so... pick a side. How much clearer do you want things? If you are a friend of bob and have + standings with them we reserve the right to make you -10 at our discretion. Anyone that is friends with bob runs the risk of becoming -10 to IRON we hold it in our discretion who and when we set people -10, that is IRON's policy. You basically want to have positive standing with our enemies, and have good relations with us at the same time, its just not going to happen...
JF> Positive standings with your enemies doesn't mean we'll inherit their enemy list, we have never helped any BoB corp shoot anyone who is not -10 to us, we don't shoot neutrals and never have, you seem to be arguing 'If you aren't with us, you're against us' basically and that comes down to an ultimatum that we have to set BOB to -10 or be -10 to you? Is that the ultimatum we should take to our directors for consideration?
IRON> Yes that is our point.
JF> So is that the policy you enforce on everyone in the north? 'Set BoB to -10 or be -10 to IRON'?
IRON> The more targets the merrier is IRON's opinion, yes anyone who has positive standings with bob is -10.
JF> ThatĘs not true though, ISS have + standings to BoB and NAP with you, everyone knows that.
IRON> Well sure we'll set ISS to -10 and inform them that because of this conversation with you is the reason that they are now -10, would that make you happy?
JF> Well it wouldn't make us happy because we don't think you should be bullying anyone over their 3rd party standings, we believe that standings are between two entities and that no corporate or alliance entity has the right to dictate 3rd party standings. But you have to see it from our point of view. If you are excusing ISS from having + standings with BoB while making war on us on the same issue, thatĘs a bit of a double standard isn't it?
IRON> Also ISS hasn't had problems with us in the past, unfortunately you have, but to make things even we(IRON) will talk and possibly set them to -10 as well based on this talk with you, thank you for informing us.
JF> Its hardly a secret, ISS are neutral to everybody it says so in their alliance concept, thatĘs why we actually respect them for doing something new and standing apart from the bad old feuds.
IRON> Obviously they are not neutral to everyone.
JF> They are + to everybody, who are they not + to? Only people that shoot ISS are pirates.
IRON> Obviously you are trying to get them set -10 just because you are, We're sure they will be interested in hearing this.
JF> We're trying to see if your policy is uniform or biased, you make quite a big thing about the automatic -10 for anyone + standings to BOB, all we're pointing out is that your rules don't seem to be followed uniformly.
IRON> ISS hasnĘt been a problem for us like I've said your corp obviously has.
JF> How have we been a problem? We'd be interested to know.
IRON> Well you have attacked us before and bashed us on the forums
JF> We have Never initiated hostility against IRON, NEVER. Every time we have gone to war you people have shot first.
IRON> Attacking our allies is the same as attacking us.
JF> Which of your allies have we attacked?
IRON> When you attacked PA they were our allies
JF> IRON published an official forum post severing your links with PA, you cancelled your alliance with PA prior to arranging ceasefire with us, so we don't think thatĘs a reasonable argument to be honest.
IRON> Anyways, this is obviously going nowhere, so we donĘt see the point in arguing anymore
finis
Voice of the Freecaptains Jericho Fraction |
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.10.15 14:55:00 -
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hmm, seems quite fair to me, good luck to both sides
Killing the rich and giving to me |
Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.10.15 14:57:00 -
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Interesting. ------------------
[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.10.15 15:32:00 -
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I love jericho posts, so much depth and always an interesting read. Go JF!!
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.10.15 15:50:00 -
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Stop fighting your wars on the forums already!!!!
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.10.15 16:03:00 -
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Can't expect a ceasefire to last forever. For that you need a peace agreement. Welcome to the world of eve... OH.. and war is bad... mkay.. SoonÖ
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2005.10.15 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eversor Stop fighting your wars on the forums already!!!!
We fight our wars everywhere, Eversor. There is more to war than guns and ship, as some of us already know...
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DISC0
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Posted - 2005.10.15 16:58:00 -
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LOL
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.10.15 17:35:00 -
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Nowhere in this galaxy absolute freedom can be found.
And it wont be in the future.
Burn the north south whatever down, if u could...
New Empires will rise and close their borders as usual.
Your mission is impossible indeed.
-G- Pink Power
Darko1107 > so play a fluffy game Darko1107 > like pokemon |
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.10.15 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kalast Raven on 15/10/2005 17:42:03 IRON agreed to a ceasefire with us. And they break it like thieves in the night.
IRON will be held to account for their treachery. We invite all honourable members of IRON to stand down and leave this entity at this time. The choice to stay, the decision to leave this matter to your masters, makes you as bad as any of them. They are not worthy of the service of honourable men.
And they will not recieve 'another chance'.
------- K. Raven
Director, Agent of Destruction |
Veskrashen
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Posted - 2005.10.15 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Your mission is impossible indeed.
And no less worthy because of it.
Architect of Change |
Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.15 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Nowhere in this galaxy absolute freedom can be found.
And it wont be in the future.
Burn the north south whatever down, if u could...
New Empires will rise and close their borders as usual.
Your mission is impossible indeed.
Respectfully,
Those new empires that raise themselves and follow the same doctrine will know that the ones before them were not invincable and could be destroyed. If they heed the history of such, those that would take thier place will tread much carefully and not choose arrogance over sensiblity.
Its about integrity. Stab enough people in the back, they are going to come after you.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.10.15 18:14:00 -
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LOL that IRON representative made a fool of himself, especially with the PA thing.
Brilliant
EVE System Security - Tyrants Killboard |
Trefnis
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Posted - 2005.10.15 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla LOL that IRON representative made a fool of himself, especially with the PA thing.
Brilliant
And why is that ?? when Jericho attacked PA IRON was our ally so he was right.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.10.15 18:28:00 -
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IRON has been shooting PA haulers deep in PA territory and in Pure Blind rrecently.
The IRONy here is that PA and Jericho are on the same side of this one, which is shoot IRON because IRON is shooting them.
It's funny how politics make strange bedfellows at times :)
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2005.10.15 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: ****take IRON has been shooting PA haulers deep in PA territory and in Pure Blind rrecently.
The IRONy here is that PA and Jericho are on the same side of this one, which is shoot IRON because IRON is shooting them.
It's funny how politics make strange bedfellows at times :)
Ha! That is amusing, didn't hear that little tidbit. Thank you, truly, for sharing that one... made my day
Of course, given that PA has yet to make any overtures towards us, I doubt we'll be cooperating on this one. Just means that there's yet another group gunning for IRON because IRON can't manage to keep it's word to anyone.
Architect of Change |
Imran
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:08:00 -
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down with ironn
*looks for pitchfork*
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:18:00 -
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Hmmm...you know, I really don't know where I stand on this one.
IRON, our northern neighbor who has attacked PA a few times without warning or provocation.
Or JF, an old and much loved foe.
I'll go with JF on this one, at least I know where they stand. Good luck to you, should be a lot of fun
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:24:00 -
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Lol this is funny. I'm gonna side with JF on this one. IRON have been untrustworthy in the past and it doesnt surprise me that they are back to their old tricks again. Atleast we all know where JF stands. Better the established enemy than the treacherous friend.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:31:00 -
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Nah im sure that if we will shoot IRON we wont stop shooting JF aswell
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eversor Stop fighting your wars on the forums already!!!!
Eversor - Jericho do not only fight on the forums, it's just that we do have an effective forum presence.
I'm not a believer in boasting in public, it normally indicates insecurity to me. I mention this purely to show you that we do fight in space too.
Last night four Jericho ships were engaged by a fleet of 17 IRON. Not great odds for us.
After Buddrow nearly lost his ship in the first exchange, we simply couldn't get them to engage again. Eventually they left. There were no losses on either side (while I was present).
My point, we engaged an attacking fleet at odds of 4-1 and forced a draw.
Jericho Fraction can fight as well as they think.
IRON will learn this at their cost.
To our PA colleagues, although our emnity is well known, it is gratifying to see that our consistancy has earned some measure of respect - for that, thanks.
Voice of the Freecaptains |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Trefnis Nah im sure that if we will shoot IRON we wont stop shooting JF aswell
And more fun for all
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Kertog
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: DISC0 LOL
I would go with ROFL :) those JF post are always good laugh for me :D
and plz don't say we're on the same side with JF... they may use it later in their propaganda...
Also we don't shoot IRON...
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Hampstah
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Posted - 2005.10.15 19:53:00 -
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Hmm...I think the Northern areas of Deklein and Fade were built on an old burial ground and are permanently cursed.
Anyway, in this situtation it is obvious that IRON should have known going into the discussion that if pushed JF would side with their longterm friends BoB and then IRON would set them to -10. If this is what IRON intended, which I would not be surprised, then the diplomat(s) did their job. They could have been far more direct about it though, both in the past and now.
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Beware Rodentz with Gunz
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.10.15 20:11:00 -
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Kertog, I don't think this changes anything between PA and JF although we share a goal it seems.
Hampstah, for clarity - the discussion came about because we had been attacked during a ceasefire with IRON. IRON had already set us to -10 before the dialogue you see here. The outcome was already known to IRON, they hadn't let Jericho know.
The main point is that IRON cannot be trusted to maintain a ceasefire (as it seems PA have found too).
It falls to Jericho and others to show IRON their folly.
Honour, integrity and trust are valuable commodities seemingly in low quantities within IRON. I would urge any IRON pilot who has honour to consider the actions of the people they take their orders from.
Voice of the Freecaptains |
Kertog
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Posted - 2005.10.15 21:45:00 -
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no, we do not share goals we're not fighting IRON atm the only goal you share with some of pa members is killin guristas from what i saw...
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.10.15 21:57:00 -
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GL JF. What I am interested in, is where do G stand now?
Interesting... Gallery |
Talos Darkhart
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Posted - 2005.10.15 22:12:00 -
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Wherever IRON tell them
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Crunschi
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Posted - 2005.10.15 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Crunschi on 15/10/2005 23:29:27
Originally by: Talos Darkhart Wherever IRON tell them
First people say on the forums that IRON is G lapdog (some time ago). Then Blacklight is saying that G and IRON have lots of issues with eachother. And know G is IRONs lapdog?
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