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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
659
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.
And the minerals you mine are free too.
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Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1464
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:04:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Multiple accounts are for multi-boxers. Some people don't want to multibox, but have an alt on the same account that comes in handy for things like moving stuff during wardecs without getting the attention of WTs. The way it is now, you can pay to have a second account and train two chars simultaneously. Why NOT charge for, and grant, the ability to train two chars simultaneously on the SAME account?
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
177
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:10:00 -
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confirming the OP is terrible, troll or not. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:10:00 -
[34] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more
It's cheaper in the way you're looking at it, if you create a character that is specialised that may only need a few months training as you only need to PLEX for those few months. Whereas if you have a specialised character on another account you have to continue with the sub.
The downside of having them on the same account is they can't be in-game at the same time, but for some people that won't be an issue.
I don't know of any other game where you can train multiple characters on the same account due to game design, meaning you have to be in the game to actually progress (there maybe some out there but not that I'm aware of) . |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1450
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:12:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.
And the minerals you mine are free too.
When comparing RL cost difference of 14.99 and 9.99, and the option of no increased RL cost while using in-game money. Free is appropriate.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. Improving NPE
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Nova Satar
Hax. Game Over.
133
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:14:00 -
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CCP will continue to this approach for some time to come so get used to it! The continuous driving up of prices and introduction of things like tiercide (increase bs costs) and capital rigs are an attempt to force players to bridge the gap with Plex purchases.
I wouldn't be surprised if this summer there was a new launcher released that is loaded with PLEX! |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
3813
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:15:00 -
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Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!
In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
244
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:18:00 -
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Ultimately it boils down to how long you're intending to train the alt up for and how you fund your accounts (rl cash or plex)
There is a difference between plex price (if you buy them with rl cash) and subscription rates. Playing with bought plex is more expensive.
But you have to take into consideration the cost of the account transfer fee too, so it's not a good idea to set up a long skill plan and buy plex to train the alt when it would be more cost effective to set up another account then after 4-5 months pay to transfer that character to your original account.
In the end, it's a service that CCP are providing for you, it's up to you if you want to take them up on it or not. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Ethereal Dawn
30
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:23:00 -
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Why should I pay 2 plex to move an alt to another account to top off a few skills for a few weeks then pay another 2 plex to move them back. Not everyone plays the way you do. You must not have industry alts or purpose trained alts that only need specific skills trained and that's it. Personally I like the option, it'll save transfer fees for those alts. |
The Forum Alt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:26:00 -
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This feature is great.
My army of forum alts can now also get some skills and be less alty. |
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:39:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more
If I needed a second character up at the same time like a scout, booster or a neutral rep then sure I need to pay by month. If I need a datacore alt, a PI alt, a refine and production alt, a trading alt, a super cap or titan holder alt then I can pay plex to get them into the role they need then pay only one monthly fee. I don't need to use it all the time so it is beneficial to have it on one account and I can stop paying plex for it and still have it. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1126
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:44:00 -
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Replying in a troll thread.
@OP - Well done on the self-inflicted facepalm. This great feature, which is a choice, is affecting you personally - how ? You should rather form a corporation named "Self Inflicted Facepalms [SIF]"
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:46:00 -
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floating in space wrote:Velicitia wrote: and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or one PLEX, IIRC). 2 PLEX for a transfer
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Thorn Galen wrote: You should rather form a corporation named "Self Inflicted Facepalms [SIF]"
Personally, I think "Doomheim" would be more appropriate. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
SDS Recruitment
Storm Dancers Shadows
54
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:47:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP.
I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money
I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK
I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts
There is no logic to this at all |
Grey Beard
Appetite 4 Destruction
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
No. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:51:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:
I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money
I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK
I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts
There is no logic to this at all
This is just an option if you want a small SP alt on your same account as the main. Not more, not less. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
gobbybobby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:53:00 -
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At first Someone told me this was "pay a plex for Double skill training"
which I was about to freak out about, but of course is not the case!!
Whats wrong with this??
Train up Cyno chracter, or maybe some Market skills for your Jita alt, or Train up PI on your character slots to boost your efficiency. Make it easier to plex your Account having 2 characters doing the old PI., saving you Money in the long run.
Next allow us to log both characters in (if we have this boost of course) plz! |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
961
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:54:00 -
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Personally OP I like the idea I can now get another alt on this account leveled up to "Forum Spurge LVL 5" without having to stop training on Signal. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:54:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really
I see it as a way to add sp to an alt on an account with another character you do not wish to lose sp time with. And the saving money would come from not having to transfer the alt to an alt account to then train it up.
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Grey Beard
Appetite 4 Destruction
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:56:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts There is no logic to this at all
Did you read the devblog... there seems to be plenty of logic for me.
Here...
Quote:Case 1: You have an alt and you just need a few days or weeks of training but you can't be bothered with logging into your main, pausing the skill training, logging out and then back in again to resume training on your alt. That or you simply don't want your +5 implanted, carefully EVEMon-planned main character to stop training.
Case 2: You need an alt, you create a new account, pay a signup fee, a month, two or three, then train the alt. After all requirements are met for the alt to do it's new job efficiently, you transfer it to your main account, i.e. consolidate, and pay a transfer fee. Sooner or later you're facing Case 1 because after all, your industry alt will need to invent new things, your market alt will need higher order capacity and your cyno alt could be turned into a covert cyno alt. Then later a covert recon cyno alt... then later, well you know where this is going.
Makes perfect sense, i dont know how you are failing to comprehend the logic... |
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Habaticus
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:00:00 -
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Well good discussion on the pros and cons, but either way it's a MICRO TRANSACTION. Be interesting to see what the next little helpful item is that they sell. |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:05:00 -
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Actually it's a feature that a lot of players are excited about. Being able to train utility alts without an additional account is a nice feature.
Regarding the rest of your whine fest.... go log into any other MMO and try to level multiple characters at the same time, see how it works out for you. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
246
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:18:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts There is no logic to this at all
There is plenty of logic in the idea, it just seems to be lost on you.
You don't seem to understand the principle of CCP enabling something that wasn't an option before, but guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT! Have you actually read the arguments for the system? or just stubbornly stuck in "whaa, technically it costs more to train 2 characters by paying plex instead of subscription" mode.
If you don't like the idea, and want to spend a months worth of subscription for a new account, and then $-ú20 on a transfer fee, to move it to your existing account, then feel free, ccp will love you for it since you're giving them more money.
Here's a hint, it's for SHORT TERM TRAINING.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
385
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:21:00 -
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/optional R.I.P. Vile Rat |
nesdaq
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:22:00 -
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of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice.
I'd say give it 50% more training time to 45days |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:24:00 -
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Its a great idea, imo |
Jabloni
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:25:00 -
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All they had to do was 1/2 the rate when two chars were learning or 1/3 the rate when it was three... |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:26:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Get over yourself plz....
Some people do not like the idea of Meta gaming as it devalues the MMO experience, but they do have dedicated alt to do stuff like run a corp or do Science and Industry/PvP/Faction Warfare on the same account to play in a different style or when bored with main, which happens. Not everyone needs a cyno alt available 23-+5/7 do they, and accounts get subscribed to and not played while long skills are training, CCP has the figures as too how many, a few queries and some very interesting data can be retrieved. Making a second account actually generates a couple of euros/bucks more for CCP, so they are actually costing them selves money. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
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I'm sure their economist determined that the number of people that will cancel 2nd, 3rd, or whatever accounts will be less than he number of people buying plexes to skill up dedicated alts on a regular basis.
Once this goes live, instead of having to either open a second account for a month or two and then pay a $20 transfer fee on top of that, or pause my training for XX days to make a dedicated hauler/trade alt, I could just buy one plex and skill up that alt at the same time.
Habaticus wrote:Well good discussion on the pros and cons, but either way it's a MICRO TRANSACTION. Be interesting to see what the next little helpful item is that they sell.
Skill points for PLEX |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
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nesdaq wrote:of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice.
I'd say give it 50% more training time to 45days
There are things that alts are nice for that you only require them to be active for for about an hour a day tops. A fully trained PI alt for example only takes three months of training and you only need them active to set up the PI systems and then to haul it. There is not real need to run a second account for it but three months can push the training of your main back. This system allows you to train the PI alt and then just stop paying plex when you are completed and you now have a fully functional character for PI and you didn't have to start up a whole new account for it. |
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