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SDS Recruitment
Storm Dancers Shadows
53
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:39:00 -
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There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
271
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:45:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.
Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then.
You are a particularly bad troll... Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
377
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:48:00 -
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I see, Let the anger flow through you, it will lead you to the Mad Side. |
Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
29
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:48:00 -
[4] - Quote
Writing in a stealth CCP are carebears thread...
but actually - so long as they care for our game and for us, shut up and take my ISK & Money. |
Julius Rigel
91
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:50:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money This may come as a surprise to you, but people set up corporations to make money together, and that's the sole purpose of a corporation.
Corps in EVE may just be guilds to you, a chat channel where you can talk to all your friends, but that's not how real life works. Do YOU like to undock? |
Jita GnaGna
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:51:00 -
[6] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
bla bla blame
Don't like this option don'T use it - no one forces you into. Create a 2nd acc. and be quiet ...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14300
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:52:00 -
[7] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here Sure there are. Not to mention more return-key abuse than is necessary.
Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed It's how all MMOs work: you can only progress one character at a time.
Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
349
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:53:00 -
[8] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
2853
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:53:00 -
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Move L4s and 4/10s to lowsec
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Shaden Nightwalker
Tryblium Sanguinis
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:54:00 -
[10] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no [...] Butts here
Left disappointed :(
Though seriously, I hope I understand your rambling correctly so my post makes any sense:
Is there any other game, where you can LEVEL all chars on one account simultaneously?
Also, if we follow your suggestion and let all three characters on one account skill under one subscription, this will cut income by the purchase of game time to about 1/2 of what is is now, assuming 50% of alts would be financed via this method.
Which will also mean a lot less funds invested into producing (free!) expansions. I don't see why people always think of the marketing department as a bunch of evil, greedy semi-satans wiping wheir noses with hundred-dollar bills.
This is not a marketing screwup at all.
Also, you are still free to pay all your three accounts via CC/PayPal, nobody forces you to anything.
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Aragoni
Aliastra Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:54:00 -
[11] - Quote
Shame on you and the teachers you had in school. |
Danni stark
294
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:55:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
yes, because they make more money from you training an alt for 3 months, then never paying for it again, instead of having to pay for it every month. right?
you're so wrong it's painful. Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:55:00 -
[13] - Quote
0/10 poor troll is poor troll
It's going to be an awesome thing for me because I have 4 accounts running right (that's 4 main chars) now with alts(miners etc) on them which I would love to train up a bit more but could do so before as I don't want to take time off training my mains.
CCP gave us a solution to a problem faced so deal with it or go make a EVE online clone and implement running all your 'alts on the one account' just like you want.
Put up or shut up. Ganking miners has gone too far. Ganking is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for Ganking like badwrong or badong. Yes, Ganking is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of Ganking, gnodab. - Said no-one, ever. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
243
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:00:00 -
[14] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
It's a market economy, and if you don't like the price then don't buy the product
There is a viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account, and that is because CCP don't want it that way, they write the game, they make the rules, and if you don't like it then don't play the game.
It is a great idea allowing a 2nd char to be training on the account if you need it, be it a research alt but you don't want to pause training on your combat alt, be it a market trader alt but you don't want to pause training on your mission running alt, or be it a supercap parking alt when you don't want to pause training on your mining alt.
How is it a rip-off? if I want to train up a supercap parking alt, atm it's very roughly 3-4 months depending on implants and remap. And since most parking alts only ever get trained up for that.
As it is now, set up 2nd account and plex it for 4 months and train up the parking alt, then spend another plex or whatever it costs to transfer that char to the account I wanted it on in the first place but was busy training up my trader alt. Cost - 5 plex
or pause training on my trader char and train up the parking alt, lose 4 months training Cost - Waste 4 plexes worth of training time.
Or the new way, spend 4 plex, train up my parking alt while still training up the trading char. Cost - 4 plex.
As far as I can see, it's a win win, if I wanted to roll up a quick cyno alt, I spend 1 plex and utilise a spare slot on my account if I want to but not have to pause training on my main, or if I were a tight-wad then I would pause training on my main and train up the cyno alt, either way it's my choice, and I can't see how it's a rip-off.
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Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
30
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:02:00 -
[15] - Quote
Just out of curiosity: How much does it cost to transfer characters between accounts? Can you also pay this with PLEX? |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1191
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:04:00 -
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i knew somebody would complain that this was a rip off , took longer than i predicted I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
o7 Mayaki
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:07:00 -
[17] - Quote
Plz tell us how you really feel OP. We care.
Great feature. ban thread. gas OP. |
Lexmana
943
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:10:00 -
[18] - Quote
OP is mad because CCP is a comercial business. Shame on you OP. And contrary to OP I will be happy to spend real and/or imaginary money on this product and/or service. |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:14:00 -
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You need to spend two PLEX to transfer a character?
I've wanted this option for years, I can't remember all the situations that came up that made me want it but I also have a reason to use it when the expansion launches. For instance I'll need just ~30 days to max out a retriever pilot. |
Pisov viet
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
125
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:15:00 -
[20] - Quote
If there is no use for dual training, then there will be no demand and no plex will be used that way, and CCP will have wasted some efforts in offering the option. If plexs are used for dual training, then there is a demand, and CCP is right to have implemented dual training.
protip: there are plenty of use for dual training. |
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floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:17:00 -
[21] - Quote
Why do people in this game hate new things? |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
42
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:23:00 -
[22] - Quote
I know this is an obvious troll, but I'll bite.
For those of us who have trained alts on our main accounts this is a welcome change. See, if I wanted to train further one of my alts on this account, yet still keep my main character on this account training, I would have to spend two Plexs or 20 bucks to transfer them to another account to train. With this system I can pay the 2 Plexs and get 2 months of training time, and not have to pay for another account. Now beyond 2 months it starts to get more logical to just transfer to a second account, but imo I welcome this change. Especially since it saves me time if I just want to train for like a month and quit again. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:31:00 -
[23] - Quote
dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character.
The only place where they're "losing" is on people who make an account for N months to train (some alt for something) and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or one PLEX, IIRC). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:38:00 -
[24] - Quote
Velicitia wrote: and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or one PLEX, IIRC).
2 PLEX for a transfer |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
659
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:43:00 -
[25] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions.
I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99
-ú9.99 is not the new more |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
420
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:44:00 -
[26] - Quote
I for one will make good use of that new feature. And since I had no intention to get a second account so far nor to have one in the near future anyway, CCP will get money from me. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6465
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:49:00 -
[27] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4987
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:51:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more And then what?
In the dual training case you have a trained alt you can use without further expenses.
In the second account case, you have a trained alt you have to pay more to be able to use. Either extend the sub or transfer the character to the original account. Both options being more expensive then the dual training one. It's also likely that changes in game mechanics or your own goals will require further alt training at an unknown point in the future, so having the dual training option available becomes increasingly more sensible and less expensive then other alternatives. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1449
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:52:00 -
[29] - Quote
I would use it to train another market alt on the same account, since having a totally different account would be a waste, and annoying to maintain. Same goes for training a cyno alt on another account that the main of that account is training something else. There are uses for it, and people will find a need for it.
Also its not like they are removing anything, if you want a separate account then go for it, others may find this option better. Either way it works.
The only downside is, CCP is continuing to promote Eve Alts Online which is where this game is or heading towards. Which can be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. Improving NPE
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Elder Ozzian
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
59
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:53:00 -
[30] - Quote
I will definately purchase 2 or 3 plexes for my trading alt on this account. I don't want to keep another account just for a trading alt if i can keep it alive with this account. I disagree! |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Tribal Band
659
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Posted - 2013.05.17 10:59:00 -
[31] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.
And the minerals you mine are free too.
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Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1464
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:04:00 -
[32] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Multiple accounts are for multi-boxers. Some people don't want to multibox, but have an alt on the same account that comes in handy for things like moving stuff during wardecs without getting the attention of WTs. The way it is now, you can pay to have a second account and train two chars simultaneously. Why NOT charge for, and grant, the ability to train two chars simultaneously on the SAME account?
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
177
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:10:00 -
[33] - Quote
confirming the OP is terrible, troll or not. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:10:00 -
[34] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more
It's cheaper in the way you're looking at it, if you create a character that is specialised that may only need a few months training as you only need to PLEX for those few months. Whereas if you have a specialised character on another account you have to continue with the sub.
The downside of having them on the same account is they can't be in-game at the same time, but for some people that won't be an issue.
I don't know of any other game where you can train multiple characters on the same account due to game design, meaning you have to be in the game to actually progress (there maybe some out there but not that I'm aware of) . |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1450
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:12:00 -
[35] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Or get a plex in game and spend no money. Free is not the new more.
And the minerals you mine are free too.
When comparing RL cost difference of 14.99 and 9.99, and the option of no increased RL cost while using in-game money. Free is appropriate.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. Improving NPE
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Nova Satar
Hax. Game Over.
133
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:14:00 -
[36] - Quote
CCP will continue to this approach for some time to come so get used to it! The continuous driving up of prices and introduction of things like tiercide (increase bs costs) and capital rigs are an attempt to force players to bridge the gap with Plex purchases.
I wouldn't be surprised if this summer there was a new launcher released that is loaded with PLEX! |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
3813
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:15:00 -
[37] - Quote
Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!
In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
244
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:18:00 -
[38] - Quote
Ultimately it boils down to how long you're intending to train the alt up for and how you fund your accounts (rl cash or plex)
There is a difference between plex price (if you buy them with rl cash) and subscription rates. Playing with bought plex is more expensive.
But you have to take into consideration the cost of the account transfer fee too, so it's not a good idea to set up a long skill plan and buy plex to train the alt when it would be more cost effective to set up another account then after 4-5 months pay to transfer that character to your original account.
In the end, it's a service that CCP are providing for you, it's up to you if you want to take them up on it or not. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Ethereal Dawn
30
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:23:00 -
[39] - Quote
Why should I pay 2 plex to move an alt to another account to top off a few skills for a few weeks then pay another 2 plex to move them back. Not everyone plays the way you do. You must not have industry alts or purpose trained alts that only need specific skills trained and that's it. Personally I like the option, it'll save transfer fees for those alts. |
The Forum Alt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:26:00 -
[40] - Quote
This feature is great.
My army of forum alts can now also get some skills and be less alty. |
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:39:00 -
[41] - Quote
Kitty Bear wrote:Tippia wrote:Quote:This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money Sure it is: it's an attempt to provide a service that players want for much cheaper than any of the current solutions. I can train a second character on the same account for 1 plex .. current cost from eve store -ú14.89 (-ú16.99 normal price) I can train a second character on a second account .. subscription charge -ú9.99 -ú9.99 is not the new more
If I needed a second character up at the same time like a scout, booster or a neutral rep then sure I need to pay by month. If I need a datacore alt, a PI alt, a refine and production alt, a trading alt, a super cap or titan holder alt then I can pay plex to get them into the role they need then pay only one monthly fee. I don't need to use it all the time so it is beneficial to have it on one account and I can stop paying plex for it and still have it. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1126
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:44:00 -
[42] - Quote
Replying in a troll thread.
@OP - Well done on the self-inflicted facepalm. This great feature, which is a choice, is affecting you personally - how ? You should rather form a corporation named "Self Inflicted Facepalms [SIF]"
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Velicitia
Nex Exercitus
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:46:00 -
[43] - Quote
floating in space wrote:Velicitia wrote: and then xfer that alt to an open slot on their main. And really, that's all of a one-time fee of $20 (or one PLEX, IIRC). 2 PLEX for a transfer
fixed
Thorn Galen wrote: You should rather form a corporation named "Self Inflicted Facepalms [SIF]"
Personally, I think "Doomheim" would be more appropriate. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
SDS Recruitment
Storm Dancers Shadows
54
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP.
I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money
I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK
I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts
There is no logic to this at all |
Grey Beard
Appetite 4 Destruction
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
No. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:51:00 -
[46] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:
I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money
I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK
I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts
There is no logic to this at all
This is just an option if you want a small SP alt on your same account as the main. Not more, not less. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
gobbybobby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:53:00 -
[47] - Quote
At first Someone told me this was "pay a plex for Double skill training"
which I was about to freak out about, but of course is not the case!!
Whats wrong with this??
Train up Cyno chracter, or maybe some Market skills for your Jita alt, or Train up PI on your character slots to boost your efficiency. Make it easier to plex your Account having 2 characters doing the old PI., saving you Money in the long run.
Next allow us to log both characters in (if we have this boost of course) plz! |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
961
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
Personally OP I like the idea I can now get another alt on this account leveled up to "Forum Spurge LVL 5" without having to stop training on Signal. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really
I see it as a way to add sp to an alt on an account with another character you do not wish to lose sp time with. And the saving money would come from not having to transfer the alt to an alt account to then train it up.
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Grey Beard
Appetite 4 Destruction
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts There is no logic to this at all
Did you read the devblog... there seems to be plenty of logic for me.
Here...
Quote:Case 1: You have an alt and you just need a few days or weeks of training but you can't be bothered with logging into your main, pausing the skill training, logging out and then back in again to resume training on your alt. That or you simply don't want your +5 implanted, carefully EVEMon-planned main character to stop training.
Case 2: You need an alt, you create a new account, pay a signup fee, a month, two or three, then train the alt. After all requirements are met for the alt to do it's new job efficiently, you transfer it to your main account, i.e. consolidate, and pay a transfer fee. Sooner or later you're facing Case 1 because after all, your industry alt will need to invent new things, your market alt will need higher order capacity and your cyno alt could be turned into a covert cyno alt. Then later a covert recon cyno alt... then later, well you know where this is going.
Makes perfect sense, i dont know how you are failing to comprehend the logic... |
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Habaticus
1
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
Well good discussion on the pros and cons, but either way it's a MICRO TRANSACTION. Be interesting to see what the next little helpful item is that they sell. |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:05:00 -
[52] - Quote
Actually it's a feature that a lot of players are excited about. Being able to train utility alts without an additional account is a nice feature.
Regarding the rest of your whine fest.... go log into any other MMO and try to level multiple characters at the same time, see how it works out for you. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
246
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts There is no logic to this at all
There is plenty of logic in the idea, it just seems to be lost on you.
You don't seem to understand the principle of CCP enabling something that wasn't an option before, but guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT! Have you actually read the arguments for the system? or just stubbornly stuck in "whaa, technically it costs more to train 2 characters by paying plex instead of subscription" mode.
If you don't like the idea, and want to spend a months worth of subscription for a new account, and then $-ú20 on a transfer fee, to move it to your existing account, then feel free, ccp will love you for it since you're giving them more money.
Here's a hint, it's for SHORT TERM TRAINING.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
385
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:21:00 -
[54] - Quote
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/optional R.I.P. Vile Rat |
nesdaq
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice.
I'd say give it 50% more training time to 45days |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:24:00 -
[56] - Quote
Its a great idea, imo |
Jabloni
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:25:00 -
[57] - Quote
All they had to do was 1/2 the rate when two chars were learning or 1/3 the rate when it was three... |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:26:00 -
[58] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Get over yourself plz....
Some people do not like the idea of Meta gaming as it devalues the MMO experience, but they do have dedicated alt to do stuff like run a corp or do Science and Industry/PvP/Faction Warfare on the same account to play in a different style or when bored with main, which happens. Not everyone needs a cyno alt available 23-+5/7 do they, and accounts get subscribed to and not played while long skills are training, CCP has the figures as too how many, a few queries and some very interesting data can be retrieved. Making a second account actually generates a couple of euros/bucks more for CCP, so they are actually costing them selves money. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
I'm sure their economist determined that the number of people that will cancel 2nd, 3rd, or whatever accounts will be less than he number of people buying plexes to skill up dedicated alts on a regular basis.
Once this goes live, instead of having to either open a second account for a month or two and then pay a $20 transfer fee on top of that, or pause my training for XX days to make a dedicated hauler/trade alt, I could just buy one plex and skill up that alt at the same time.
Habaticus wrote:Well good discussion on the pros and cons, but either way it's a MICRO TRANSACTION. Be interesting to see what the next little helpful item is that they sell.
Skill points for PLEX |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
170
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
nesdaq wrote:of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice.
I'd say give it 50% more training time to 45days
There are things that alts are nice for that you only require them to be active for for about an hour a day tops. A fully trained PI alt for example only takes three months of training and you only need them active to set up the PI systems and then to haul it. There is not real need to run a second account for it but three months can push the training of your main back. This system allows you to train the PI alt and then just stop paying plex when you are completed and you now have a fully functional character for PI and you didn't have to start up a whole new account for it. |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
482
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hey OP... don't like it? Then don't use it. You look silly running to the forums and bitching about something you don't plan on using anyway. It is very convenient to be honest. Will be useful to train cyno alts without having to make up a whole new account and keeping it running, then spending PLEX to transfer your character to the account anyway. It's not all about you OP. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
216
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
And whats wrong with a company trying to turn profits? More left wing liberal anti buisness complaints
...................................................... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14308
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
nesdaq wrote:of course its a rip off. A full 30d plex only for training, what about using the second toon? Ow wait, you cant login twice. Oh wait, I don't have to pay character transfer fees (2 PLEX) to consolidate my characters. Oh wait, I don't have to keep a second subscription (1 PLEX a month) just to retain access to my special-purpose character. Oh wait, I don't have to open a second account, transfer the character over (2 PLEX), keep the account running (1GÇô4 PLEX), then transfer the character back (2 PLEX) just because the special purpose the character was built for was massively changed in a patch and now requires a whole bunch of new skills trained up.
The new option is a bargain and a boon. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars Unclaimed.
58
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
RIP off? for CCP we are ripping them off.
Instead of not training a main for a few weeks to make 2 cyno chars, or simply transferring, or buying them, we apply a PLEX and get to train, and still use the account once the PLEX runs out. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1840
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU This is an example, CCP, of what you do when you invite over-indulged, entitled types to you game about cold harsh dark stuff. Give an Inch, they are unsatisfied and demand a MILE.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
159
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Unless for some wierd reason they happened to want, I don't know... a research alt to churn out BPCs for invention. An Alt like that takes less than a month to train but needs to be on an active account to function - therefore the ability to train it for one month on a second account slot without disrupting the training of the primary on the account is of value.
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
There is the technical issue of switching characters in-game (which is why we've never had in-game character switching), the fact that training three would provide an unfair advantage over those running two accounts...
Of course if you believe that an alt account is such vastly better value then there is nothing, to my knowledge, preventing you from utilising that option. |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:22:00 -
[67] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:And what's wrong with a company trying to turn profits? More left wing liberal anti business complaints Sorry stupid doesn-¦t really do politics, it effect both side so don-¦t make assumptions |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Here's my gift to you - a Hauler Alt that costs 2 PLEX. It can fly blockade runners, freighters and industrials, and has three jump clones!
Under the current system, it would cost at least twice as much. With same account training . . . just two PLEX!
(don't forget to plug in +3 implants right away, and remap at the appropriate points. It's actually 59 days, for some reason it's not reflecting the time savings from implants)
Skill plan for Hauler Alt
***Remapping (active) : i27 p17 c17 w17 m21*** 1. Cybernetics I (20 minutes) 2. Hull Upgrades I (13 minutes, 20 seconds) 3. Hull Upgrades II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds) 4. Hull Upgrades III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds) 5. Hull Upgrades IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds) 6. Mechanics III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds) 7. Electronics IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 8. Engineering IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 9. Mechanics IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 10. Mechanics V (3 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, 52 seconds) 11. Energy Systems Operation I (6 minutes, 40 seconds) 12. Energy Systems Operation II (31 minutes, 4 seconds) 13. Energy Systems Operation III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds) 14. Energy Systems Operation IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 15. Energy Management I (20 minutes) 16. Energy Management II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds) 17. Energy Management III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds) 18. Jury Rigging I (13 minutes, 20 seconds) 19. Jury Rigging II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds) 20. Jury Rigging III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds) 21. Astronautics Rigging I (20 minutes) 22. Astronautics Rigging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds) 23. Armor Rigging I (20 minutes) 24. Armor Rigging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds) 25. Cloaking I (40 minutes) 26. Cloaking II (3 hours, 6 minutes, 17 seconds) 27. Cloaking III (17 hours, 33 minutes, 42 seconds) 28. Cloaking IV (4 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes, 48 seconds) 29. Shield Management I (20 minutes) 30. Shield Management II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds) 31. Shield Management III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds) 32. Tactical Shield Manipulation I (26 minutes, 40 seconds) 33. Tactical Shield Manipulation II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds) 34. Shield Upgrades I (13 minutes, 20 seconds) 35. Shield Upgrades II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds) 36. Shield Upgrades III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds) 37. Shield Upgrades IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds) 38. Industry I (7 minutes, 14 seconds) 39. Industry II (33 minutes, 46 seconds) 40. Industry III (3 hours, 10 minutes, 52 seconds) 41. Industry IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds) 42. Industry V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds) ***Remapping (active) : i27 p21 c17 w17 m17*** 43. Navigation IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 44. Warp Drive Operation I (6 minutes, 40 seconds) 45. Warp Drive Operation II (31 minutes, 4 seconds) 46. Warp Drive Operation III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds) 47. Evasive Maneuvering I (13 minutes, 20 seconds) 48. Evasive Maneuvering II (1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds) 49. Evasive Maneuvering III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds) 50. Evasive Maneuvering IV (1 day, 9 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds) 51. Afterburner I (6 minutes, 40 seconds) 52. Afterburner II (31 minutes, 4 seconds) 53. Afterburner III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds) 54. High Speed Maneuvering I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 55. Acceleration Control I (26 minutes, 40 seconds) 56. Acceleration Control II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds) 57. Acceleration Control III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds) ***Remapping (active) : i17 p27 c17 w21 m17*** 58. Spaceship Command IV (16 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds) 59. Spaceship Command V (3 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, 52 seconds) 60. Advanced Spaceship Command I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 61. Advanced Spaceship Command II (2 hours, 35 minutes, 15 seconds) 62. Advanced Spaceship Command III (14 hours, 38 minutes, 4 seconds) 63. Advanced Spaceship Command IV (3 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, 20 seconds) 64. Gallente Frigate III (5 hours, 51 minutes, 13 seconds) 65. Gallente Industrial I (26 minutes, 40 seconds) 66. Gallente Industrial II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds) 67. Gallente Industrial III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds) 68. Gallente Industrial IV (2 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes, 52 seconds) 69. Gallente Industrial V (15 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes, 28 seconds) 70. Gallente Freighter I (1 hour, 6 minutes, 40 seconds) 71. Gallente Freighter II (5 hours, 10 minutes, 28 seconds) 72. Gallente Freighter III (1 day, 5 hours, 16 minutes, 11 seconds) 73. Gallente Freighter IV (6 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes, 38 seconds) 74. Transport Ships I (43 minutes, 28 seconds) 75. Transport Ships II (3 hours, 22 minutes, 29 seconds) 76. Transport Ships III (19 hours, 5 minutes, 20 seconds) 77. Transport Ships IV (4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 7 seconds) 78. Infomorph Psychology I (9 minutes, 5 seconds) 79. Infomorph Psychology II (42 minutes, 21 seconds) 80. Infomorph Psychology III (3 hours, 59 minutes, 27 seconds)
28 unique skills, 80 skill levels; Total time: 67 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, 42 seconds |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
513
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:41:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Tsk tsk, it's supposed to be our evil machinations but you are forgiven since it's casual Friday.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:46:00 -
[70] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU Basically OP is qqing because she wants to be able to train multiple characters simultaneously on the account without paying for it. Shame on you OP. I have 6 accounts which i pay for with rl money I am not a carebear, i don't mine for money and ISK I am saying, this is downright stupid idea, if people could afford plexes, they would buy second accounts There is no logic to this at all
What do you use those six accounts for? |
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Plyn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:20:00 -
[71] - Quote
Someone please close this thread. Hossenfeffer. |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
694
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
I think there there should be a discount do dual training. e.g. 1 plex = 40 days game time... but i guess if you don't like it, don't buy it. Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
762
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
Why are so many people struggling to see the many awesomely convenient applications of this? |
Surumi Fujikawa
Helghast Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:37:00 -
[74] - Quote
Seems like a fantastic idea to me.
I have an account dedicated to doing nothing but creating research alts to cram into the empty spaces in my other accounts. With this i would actually save money by not having to transfer as many characters or keep the factory account going for as long.
also i would get to where i want to be 4x faster than i currently am. It would cost me a few bucks, but i really dont care.
And having 30 invention capable research slots, a bunch of manufacturing slots i'll actually never use, 3x the PI potential per account, and 15 research agent slots that are shortly going to be nerfed is an amazing thing to behold. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:40:00 -
[75] - Quote
Galaxy Pig wrote:Why are so many people struggling to see the many awesomely convenient applications of this?
Because they thought they could train more than one character on the same account for free (free as in no isk and no PLEX).
I'm sure they can see the benefit, they just would have liked it to go further.
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Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
155
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:41:00 -
[76] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Contract me all of your in-game belongings and ISK, then hit the biomass button.... it's the only way to stop CCP from taking all your money!
I. for one, think CCP should offer as many optional services as they can.... more money for CCP means more EVE awesomeness for me. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
612
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:41:00 -
[77] - Quote
dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character. Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then. You are a particularly bad troll...
You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time....
And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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BoBoZoBo
Divine Beasts Nite's Reign
228
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:43:00 -
[78] - Quote
Interesting things about products you find too expensive... Don't use them. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character. Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then. You are a particularly bad troll... You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time.... And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....
I don't think you understand how alts are used. I'm going to use this to train about 4 freighter pilots for logistics stuff. Instead of costing me either a month of training on 4 accounts that are busy with other things I can just pay about 2b and be done with it.
Don't need separate accounts for that. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:51:00 -
[80] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character. Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then. You are a particularly bad troll... You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time.... And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....
Not all alts are equal, just depends what you want to use that alt for. You are right about still needing another account for your alt if you want it in the game with your main. But there are other types of alt that don't require your main to be online so for this type it's a welcome change, trader is a good example. |
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Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
155
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:08:00 -
[81] - Quote
Six Six Six wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character. Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then. You are a particularly bad troll... You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time.... And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE..... Not all alts are equal, just depends what you want to use that alt for. You are right about still needing another account for your alt if you want it in the game with your main. But there are other types of alt that don't require your main to be online so for this type it's a welcome change, trader is a good example.
Manufacturing alts don't need your main online, either. "you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
342
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:21:00 -
[82] - Quote
Roime wrote:Move L4s and 4/10s to lowsec But remove insurance first! Remove insurance. |
To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:24:00 -
[83] - Quote
if i was a mod id just delete this thread and ban your stupid ignorant asss from the forums. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
642
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:47:00 -
[84] - Quote
Quote:Move L4s and 4/10s to lowsec
Lol. Fine, move level 5's to High.
Right after you close this thread for being a duplicate. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
To Be Me wrote:if i was a mod id just delete this thread and ban your stupid ignorant asss from the forums.
first good post in the thread |
Dalmont Delantee
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Please tell me how you work for free, and all your charity work. Also please tell me how you live with no food home etc.
Also please go back to wow, big boys games seem to confuse you. |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
123
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:09:00 -
[87] - Quote
OP is very poor troll.
If you don't want to dual train, then don't dual train |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
It's a much wanted and expected change so it's a very good choice.
It's also a very good choice because of sooner specific strategy doing it differently could cause a huge economical loss for the company which wouldn't be good for everyone starting by players.
It's a very good compromise, you can keep your usual multi character/account training or 2 in the same account, it's all good, everyone wins no one looses. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
612
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:31:00 -
[89] - Quote
And it's purely *voluntary*...
0/10
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Alexila Quant
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
55
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:42:00 -
[90] - Quote
Gonna work off of the assumption that this isn't a troll thread and say that just using a single plex to get a month of PI training in without having to pay the $20 character transfer fee is worth, and CCP will actually lose a little bit of money on the characters transfers that won't be needed as much. (Although the gains from easily training another character on the same account will probably outweigh the loss)
Posting in a troll thread. |
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Hikura Zero
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
Well that is bloody right out of order. IF this was a free to play game I would understand.. But you're asking players to pay a secondary subscription fee on-top of the already expensive subscription fee.
Not cool. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
117
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hikura Zero wrote:Well that is bloody right out of order. IF this was a free to play game I would understand.. But you're asking players to pay a secondary subscription fee on-top of the already expensive subscription fee.
Not cool.
They're not asking you to do anything.
They're making available the option of paying/PLEXing to do something that you ordinarily can't. Shockingly, if you don't exercise this option, your 'already expensive' subscription won't cost you anything extra.
If you don't want to do it, then don't; there is no force being employed here. |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
35
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Posted - 2013.05.21 21:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Not the greatest thing ever, but might come in handy in certain situations. Well actually it comes in handy every time you want an alt and dont need him to be logged in with one of your existing chars. If you want to create an alt and train him for longer periods of time while at the same time using him, a new account espacially for this character would make more sense. But I dont see how this is a rip off. Every Eve player knows a vast amount of paying subscriptions are alt accounts. There even was an article about it somewhere. Two accounts for every player on average in Eve? Yay 10 years! :D |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
301
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Posted - 2013.05.21 22:29:00 -
[94] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:dark heartt wrote:SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Actually I see them losing money from this. I only have one account at the moment, and have had no need for an alt account so I wouldn't pay for one. However this gives me the option to train an alt in a very specialised way but not lose training time on my main character. Quote:There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed So you don't want CCP to make money to keep running this game? Ok then. You are a particularly bad troll... You simply don't understand how alts are used. In order for most alts to be useful, they have to be online at the same time.... And CCP will do whatever is needed to take more of your money, this is EVE.....
I did not say that I don't have alts, I do, 4 of them in fact. At the moment those 4 accounts are unsubbed, as I have no use for them. And there are a number of uses that don't require the character to be online, but still making isk (PI, Manufacturing, Research, Invention, Market Shenanigans). I do understand alts.
I have no issue with CCP taking my money. They are a business, not some sort of gang robbing you blind at every opportunity. Everything here is optional, and if you choose to drop money on it, that's your choice. If you choose not to, that's your choice. Either option is fine, but you are at no point forced to take them up on the offers. Unless you have no self control and just buy everything that CCP puts out, then you have no reason to complain that a business wants to take your money. That's kind of the point. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
Joxxy
Vrane Club
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 22:42:00 -
[95] - Quote
Dual training on one account is awsome idea and I personally love it ! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
234
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Posted - 2013.05.21 22:58:00 -
[96] - Quote
CCP is trying to make money?!
THOSE SELL OUTS!
Im going to write them a long angry letter about this, which I will have delivered to their HQ by a frowning pidgeon! |
Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
31
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Posted - 2013.05.21 23:02:00 -
[97] - Quote
Obvious troll is obvious, but I'll bite.
Imagine me and my 8 alts suddenly being trained on 3 accounts worth of money/isk. Imagine the other altaholics, here doing the same. While I do fuel my addiction with plex off the market, there's still someone dropping the cash for my gametime.
Let's not kill our game with player greed. |
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
477
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Posted - 2013.05.23 02:56:00 -
[98] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
I think one plex should get you 2 months of training time, considering having two clients ( which costs the same or less ) means you can have both characters logged in at the same time. The loss of that benefit should be worth some sort of discount in the price.
Even 3 months for 2 plex would be o.k.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:15:00 -
[99] - Quote
Actually it will be a money loser. A lot of nullsec pilots simply want to quickly train PI alts on their account or Cyno characters and can now plex up to the SP they need for those goals and not need to purchase another account that they will have to keep running.
For purpose built alts this is frankly awesome and is going to let me strip down to just two accounts for the cost of 2 plex, and I can divest myself of my 3rd account which I have to keep plexed for the lifetime of my eve career if I want easy access to those cyno alts.
It's p baller frankly. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5146
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:21:00 -
[100] - Quote
Yeah, CCP will potentially end up losing money on this. It really depends on user behavior though. Depending upon what people were doing beforehand with alts, character transfers, 51-day alts, etc. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
425
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Posted - 2013.05.23 04:36:00 -
[101] - Quote
It is always funny to see how butthurt people are about companies gaining money from a product they made. Now we have one of the best companies in the (gaming) world and some hippies still begrudge them the money (besides the fact that they lose it instead of making moar). _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Andrea Griffin
463
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:So flexibility is all it is really And some of us even appreciate it.
By the way, I think this is a great idea and I'm happy that it is happening. Thank you. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
702
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Posted - 2013.05.23 05:50:00 -
[103] - Quote
Someone is definitly butthurt here!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
3017
|
Posted - 2013.05.23 07:08:00 -
[104] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts already do. many people have at least 2 accounts with no more than 1 character per account. some even have more than 20 accounts. |
Macharius Deuterion
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 10:39:00 -
[105] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU You know what? If you don't like the feature then don't use it. The thing is this feature doesn't change whether CCP is more greedy or not because its an optional one. |
KasparHauser
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:06:00 -
[106] - Quote
What? Corporations out to make money? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14358
|
Posted - 2013.05.23 11:30:00 -
[107] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, CCP will potentially end up losing money on this. It really depends on user behavior though. Depending upon what people were doing beforehand with alts, character transfers, 51-day alts, etc. You know, I think this is actually a very encouraging thing to see. It's essentially microtransactions done right. Maybe they've learned something?
Yes, on the face of it, it looks like something that will end up costing them making them less money than before, since it short-circuits a number of income sources. But what it does do is scratch that itch that makes MT work: it lowers the bar for usage and makes things massively more convenient. It used to be a bit of a faff getting a special-purpose alt going, what with the new account creation and character juggling, which created friction that kept people from doing itGǪ now, it's so trivial that no-one will even think twice. Just throw a PLEX at it and go ahead. There's no reason not to, so everyone will do it all the time and twice on Sundays. This translates into more money for CCP.
Sure, it's a bit of a bet on player behaviour, but I think it's a solid one that will undoubtedly pay off. And yes, this means they're back on the MT wagon, but this trial balloon shows that they're thinking about it right this time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
54
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:There is no
If's or Butts here
This is nothing more than a way for ccp to make money and makes no sence
If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
There is NO viable reason why we should NOT be able to train three chars on one account or switch to each INGAME other than CCP greed
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
I think the shame is on you for even posting without any coherent argument. If you have ANY reading skills at all, there is a purpose to having it. Unfortunately, you are too dumb or too dense to even understand the dev blog they have crafted. Perhaps, a permanent visit to WOW and remain there should be advised.
TL:DR You are a dumbass and yeah STFU. |
Gorgoth24
Sickology
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:37:00 -
[109] - Quote
Did you not consider that someone with two accounts may want to have a carrier on one account and add cyno alts to the other account. And, with this new mechanic, doesn't have to sacrifice training time to do so? I think it's a bit silly to call CCP money hungry because they're obviously one the most caring companies about their products in business right now. Come on |
None ofthe Above
621
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:20:00 -
[110] - Quote
I think it's a great idea and will be using it.
Thanks CCP! Don't make me hand you a wizard hat. |
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Haulie Berry
820
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:22:00 -
[111] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:I am an idiot.
Fixed your OP for you, HTH.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1913
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 02:31:00 -
[112] - Quote
Yup, making it cheaper to train 2 toons is most def a rip off. Pull your finger out buddy. |
Kijo Rikki
Perkone Caldari State
208
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 02:47:00 -
[113] - Quote
After reading this thread I asked someone in game about it. I was a little confused, sounds like you use a plex to train an alt on one account and runs out the same time the plex would run out on another account, it sounds like a total wash to me....
...then the wheels started turning, I could make a market or indy alt and train just enough to get them going and then I could have both toons on the same account and only pay for one account, whereas the old way you would have to continue to pay for both accounts in order to use them. Nice!
Then I thought seems kinda worthless for cyno alts, even after learning you can transfer them to a second account, its still a wash for cap pilots. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
90
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:54:00 -
[114] - Quote
lol butts
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2036 |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
102
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:21:00 -
[115] - Quote
Kijo Rikki wrote: ...then the wheels started turning, I could make a market or indy alt and train just enough to get them going and then I could have both toons on the same account and only pay for one account, whereas the old way you would have to continue to pay for both accounts in order to use them. Nice!
That is precisely what it can do for you. OP doesn't seem to be about get his wheels turning though. |
Lilliana Stelles
743
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:28:00 -
[116] - Quote
I'm just afraid Dual Training will murder datacore and PI prices. Since datacore and PI characters only take a few weeks to train, and now they can be active 24/7 without paying an additional fee.
So it will be difficult to stay competitive in either market without using multiple characters on each account. Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |
GermanAkilae
CYN-TECH INDUSTRIES
1
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 12:35:00 -
[117] - Quote
I think it's a fairy good idea but i have issues with the fact that you pay -ú9.99 a month to play 1 account, or you can of course pay via PLEX but a PLEX costs around -ú16? so wheres the logic in pricing PLEX at -ú16 when its only worth -ú9.99 to sub the game? |
Freeman11
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
I see dual training as a particularly effective ISK sink - and nothing more. It is removing 520-580mil from the market while increasing the amount of players training skills. This game is ruthless... |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
880
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 12:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
It's a good idea, as the community has been asking for this for as long as I can remember.
The sad part is that you can't play both toons at once . I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Ultim8Evil
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:48:00 -
[120] - Quote
All the cost of a 2nd account, without the flexibility.
Someone convince me otherwise |
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Jake Tzestu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:52:00 -
[121] - Quote
i'm surprised that people even find it worth the time to complain about CCP doing this to make more money.
They need that cash to cover the cost of making things that either dont work or are unwanted.
Just imagine how much the captains quarters cost or the new launcher.... to make stuff this badly isnt easy and costs money ;0)
Just thinking out loud. |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
If your beef is that Dual Training should be Triple Training instead . . . sure, that would be "more." It also certainly would cost more.
I assume that someone at CCP ran the numbers and figured that Dual Training will be a net revenue win for them, since the volume of people using it who would not pay for a second account will outweigh the loss of transfer fees and full account subs from those who decide to use Dual Training instead of dual accounts for short term skilling projects.
The most likely reasons they did not make Triple Training right away are that: (1) they decided not to put it in, because it would be a net revenue loss for them, at whatever price they think they can charge for it; or (2) they want to put it in, either for the same price or for a higher price, but they want to reality check their revenue plan for it with Dual Training first.
If Dual Training turns out to be a big loss for them, they can't really take it away, but at least they would be stuck with a lower net loss than if they had unboxed Triple Training straight away. If Dual Training turns out to be a big win, then they'll probably extend it to Triple Training at some point. |
Haulie Berry
840
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 13:07:00 -
[123] - Quote
Freeman11 wrote:I see dual training as a particularly effective ISK sink - and nothing more. It is removing 520-580mil from the market while increasing the amount of players training skills.
*facepalm*
Excepting taxes/broker fees, it does not remove any ISK from the economy. |
Darvaleth Sigma
Progressive State State Section 9
249
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:08:00 -
[124] - Quote
Everyone, bounty this idiot into oblivion. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Haulie Berry
840
|
Posted - 2013.05.31 13:13:00 -
[125] - Quote
Ultim8Evil wrote:All the cost of a 2nd account, without the flexibility. Someone convince me otherwise
If you are not bright enough to figure out what this is useful for on your own, convincing you is probably a hopeless endeavor. I'll break out my crayons and give it a go, anyway.
Suppose I need a skilled alt for something. It needs some quantity of training, but doesn't need to be trained in perpetuity. I also don't ever need it logged in concurrently with my main. A market alt, maybe.
I could put it on a new account, yes.
This will cost me a plex per month until the end of time/I quit/I abandon the second account, or until I spend a couple more plex to move the character onto my primary account.
Alternatively, I could just dual train my account for however long it will take to get the alt the SPs required, and then go back to spending a single plex per month in perpetuity.
So, no, not all the cost of a second account because at some point, you stop paying for it. |
Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
9
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:36:00 -
[126] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really
wait so you can have 2 accounts and train 2 toons or have 1 account and buy plex to dual train on 1 account, which means you can't have both on at the same time. I am unclear how this could ever possibly save you money, unless plex prices drop which I somehow doubt they do anytime soon. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9773
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:40:00 -
[127] - Quote
Thorleifer wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Our dastardly plot has been unearthed, we stand unveiled! TO THE CORPORATE JET!!...oh wait, we can't afford it now that our machinations are foiled.
Grrrrr!!!In seriousness though, this is just an option to what you can already do and it can even save you money in certain situations. So flexibility is all it is really wait so you can have 2 accounts and train 2 toons or have 1 account and buy plex to dual train on 1 account, which means you can't have both on at the same time. I am unclear how this could ever possibly save you money, unless plex prices drop which I somehow doubt they do anytime soon.
I feel that you deserve some congratulations on managing to remain unclear, despite there being at least 3 short, clear explainations of what the use of this option is on every page of this thread, and likewise in every other thread on the same subject.
Such vigilantly defended ignorance in the face of repeated attempts to inform you surely deserves some kind of reward or recognition. Who's the CEO of your corp? I will gladly sponsor an appropriately titled medal in your honour.
1 Kings 12:11
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None ofthe Above
622
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:45:00 -
[128] - Quote
Ultim8Evil wrote:All the cost of a 2nd account, without the flexibility. Someone convince me otherwise
Look -- you can still do second(+) accounts, that's the right move for when you want two or more skilling characters that can log in at the same time.
If you want an alt though that just needs a minimal set of skills and doesn't need to be logged with your main to be effective, this is cheaper since they remain available even after you stop paying for the skills. Plex for second char training for a while, do a short skill plan, and you have a helper char that you never have to pay for again as long as the main on that account remains paid for.
Great for PI and Trade alts. Maybe even cynos (if you cyno for others as opposed to for you main). I am sure people will find many other uses for this as well.
If this isn't what you need, that's fine! Don't use it. Don't make me hand you a wizard hat. |
marVLs
167
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:51:00 -
[129] - Quote
What an awesome feature, now i can get lvl5 my PI chars (month of skilling per char) without wasting time on main. Thank You CCP
But how is this feature choosing second char to be trained? It's the one on which i will log on and start skilling after activating dual training? |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
155
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:57:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ultim8Evil wrote:All the cost of a 2nd account, without the flexibility. Someone convince me otherwise
If you have an account that has a character in a Super Cap on it you are training. This Super cap character is stuck in this ship & only logs on when the Bat phone rings.
You can now train the other two slots on this account for characters that can be used on a daily basis. I.e ratter, miner, PI, pvper, afk cloaky to camp red systems, trader, incursion runner, neut freighter, Faction Warfare, & many other alts.
I will be taking advantage of this new feature. It saves me from training an alt on an extra account, just to spend two Plexes to transfer it to another account. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:57:00 -
[131] - Quote
Ok, lemme get this straight. CCP charges for a feature you don't have to use? Right? And this is for a feature that has never existed, fee or free? Right? And CCP didn't take something away from you to charge you for it, right?
Right.
That's not greed sugarteets. It's creative thinking and what's known as "value added service". HTFU!...for the children! |
Zak Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Well, they are a company after all, and most companies do stupid stuff in the name of profits. Like forcing us to buy another account if we want to train more than 1 character (rendering the other 2 characters on an account near useless).
And so it goes. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
102
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:49:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ultim8Evil wrote:All the cost of a 2nd account, without the flexibility. Someone convince me otherwise
Train up 2 PI alts for me then transfer them to your main account. How much did that cost?
Now plex and train those 2 PI alts on your main account. How much did that cost you? |
Aeana K
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:14:00 -
[134] - Quote
SDS Recruitment wrote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
I dont think so, but let's say your argument stands. why is that a shame?
That's why they are working for, to make money. That's why all of us working for.
I want them to make A LOT of money. They deserve it, to keep this excellent game running.
I have writen down that the game is cheep (especially for such a quality). You can find the 15$ for the monthly subscription in coins dropped in the streets in a few evening walkings.
And please, dont say them greed. Many ppl work for that project. Servers cost a lot. Much money in additional services, like adverts etc.
Multiply now the population with the monthly subscription and you will see that they are not rich.
I wish they were. I hope they will be. All of them. They deserve it. |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1462
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:15:00 -
[135] - Quote
I'm actually excited for this.
As it stand right now, it costs 2 PLEX to transfer a character to a different account, there are plenty of useful things you can train a dedicated alt to do in just about 60 days. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
40
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:17:00 -
[136] - Quote
Aeana K wrote:
This is nothing more than a blatent market attempt to get more money
Shame on you
SHAME ON YOU
Yup shame on a commerical business for making money.
I bet you write to TV stations and say shame on them for forwarding the careers of celebrities you don't like too, right?
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Raven Smog
New Eden Big Lotto
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:20:00 -
[137] - Quote
Personally I see it as a waste of a plex why not just use a second account. you still are training 2 guys with the added benefit of being abole to log both guys in at once.
I think it would be more useful to be able to train to skills at a time on one character for a plex
but just for a alt well i will stick with a second account so i can play both guys at once. |
Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
838
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:30:00 -
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You want to know why this isn't a rip off as you call it? Simple.. For some players who can't or don't want to have a second acct to pay for they can train a alt. and not have to worry about the second subscription fee, hence not having to worry about losing that alt to not paying for it. This is actually pure genius on the part of ccp http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |
Doddy
Dark-Rising
853
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:37:00 -
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How do ccp make more money from people using 2 plex on one account than on two accounts?
I wish it had been available back when i was doing my cyno and market alts, i had to make and run new accounts to train them then transfer them onto my permanent accounts spare slots. If this dual training thing had been around then i would have saved probably around -ú100 over a year. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14648
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:42:00 -
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Doddy wrote:How do ccp make more money from people using 2 plex on one account than on two accounts? Through people who don't want a second account because it costs too much, but who might want to toss a PLEX or two on an alt every now and then.
One or two every now and then > none, ever. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1509
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Posted - 2013.06.07 21:55:00 -
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SDS Recruitment wrote:If people could afford to buy plex to bring ingame they would have dual accounts
Wrong. I plex fortnightly. Used to use it to boost my isk to spend on more ships to lose. Now I can spend it on something more productive and train an alt to open a holding corp for new recruits to go into for special training (ie pvp dueling without ruining the corp's reputation due to awoxing) or 'relative safety' in the case of unexpected wardecs that we don't have sufficient intel for.
I have no interest in running a second account, and even if I did, I would have no way to multibox it on my low-end hardware with a processor that overheats at 85 degrees C. This dual character training is the highlight of the expansion for me... well, that and my new Navy Brutix...
Which I'm sure is going to explode soon. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
BEPOHNKA
Guerrilla Army S2N Citizens
78
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:34:00 -
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It's nice feature! Time to finish that titain skill book! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3610
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:59:00 -
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I wouldn't make two accounts, and then spend 4 plexes to train 2 PI alts, taking 2 weeks each.
Instead 1 plex will approximately cover this. Or one PI alt with CCU V. This is indeed my plan :)
Also, nice to training small specialized alts. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:47:00 -
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Its a neat little feature. Very useful. OP is wrong. |
SDS Recruitment
Storm Dancers Shadows The Explicit Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.06.08 11:09:00 -
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why is thread still going? |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
238
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Posted - 2013.06.08 13:11:00 -
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THIS THREAD IS A RIP OFF i WANT MY 3 EYE MOVEMENTS BACK YOU DIRTBALL. |
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