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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:58:00 -
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Considering the glowing commendation of which her actions are deserving, I find her absence from national media... conspicuous. She hasn't been seen or heard from since the battle. I appreciate the need for professional quiet on these occasions, but this is a big PR coup for the navy that its best and highest-ranked are so level-headed.
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
188
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:02:00 -
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I, too, would be interested to hear about the Admiral's whereabouts. I assume that a period of personal seclusion after such a traumatic conflict may be needed even by the likes of us capsuleers, but the lack of media coverage in general is disheartening.
Here's hoping we will hear more soon, even if not from the Admiral herself.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1318
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:09:00 -
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At the very least, she deserves a medal for this action.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
JIHADASQUAD
868
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:11:00 -
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I find it quite dexterous the Gallente Senate can laud her actions under fire with one hand while having used the other to blast the ship out of orbit in the first place.
Lovely!
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Lucas Raholan
Agenda Industries
71
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:17:00 -
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Given her absence and Heth's madness once may come to conclusions, If reports are correct her being ordered to open fire on the planet yet Telemetry shows she actually off lined the Oblivion it would show that Yanala ignored The order to fire, most likely having come from Heth. If so one can only draw conclusions over what has likely happened.
Alas I do not wish to believe these conclusions may be true...rather that she is laying low and out of he spotlight given understandably how many enemies she will have made following that battle.
On a Personal note I wish to commend Yanala, she saw that the Titan was going down and did everything she could to prevent it from destroying Caldari Prime before it fell onto the planet...actions of a true hero even under unwanted circumstanced
I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1318
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:25:00 -
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They felt it was necessary in order to save more lives than were ultimately lost.
I disagree with their assessment, but if they genuinely and honestly felt that the Shiigeru posed a greater risk to peoples' lives intact than destroyed then I can't fault them for acting on their conviction, nor for being happy that the Admiral took such conscientous action at the end.
Are we going to demand that people should not have the courage of their convictions to act and do what they think is right? Yes, I agree that I don't see what the Shiigeru was doing that was so threatening and if it turns out that the Federation acted out of knee-jerk fear rather than any solid intel then I'll join right in with condemning them for it. But I'm sick and tired of our people arguing over everything that happens. Sick. And. Tired.
If it took a titan falling from the sky for us to finally come of the boil and start treating each other with some perkele respect, then in the long term it may have been a price worth paying. Maybe we should start doing that.
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Lysander Fairewell
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:38:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I find it quite dexterous the Gallente Senate can laud her actions under fire with one hand while having used the other to blast the ship out of orbit in the first place.
Lovely!
Such is the schizophrenia of Gallente liberalism. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
222
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:54:00 -
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This level of spatial awareness, acumen and procedural ability is what all Caldari should aspire to.
I will be dismayed if she does not receive an accolade once the Navy is prepared to give their accounts of the battle disclosure.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2648
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:05:00 -
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I have a hunch. It's an unpleasant one, but it seems the only likely outcome at this point: she's dead. Heth did her in.
We might never know for sure, but consider the facts. She was podded on the battlefield, we've heard utterly jack from her since March and she might well have been in a position to say things about Heth that might be, shall we say, politically inconvenient. I wouldn't hold out hopes for her ever being seen or heard from again. We know Heth's ruthless enough to do it. We know he has no morals, ethics or principles of any kind. We know he'd be willing to stoop to such cowardice. We know he's desperate and utterly insane. We can be pretty sure Admiral Yanala had a much better insight into all these facts than we did.
She refused to fire on Caldari Prime with the Oblivion device even though she repeatedly said she was going to. I initially put it down to lack of opportunity or outright cowardice, but now I see that she was perhaps a far more decent person than I gave her credit for. If she was genuinely hesitant to fire a doomsday device at an inhabited planet, but she was still preparing to do so, that suggests the idea might not have come from her - and in light of this evidence, it almost certainly didn't. If it wasn't her idea, whose was it? Most likely Heth's. If we could talk to her, she could tell us for certain.
This, says my gut instinct, is why we can't talk to her.
Mane 614
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
222
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:14:00 -
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That's a very serious accusation.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:We know he'd be willing to stoop to such cowardice..
Nah, I refuse to believe that.
Let's not start up on the conspiracy theories, eh? She's most likely under a non-disclosure agreement, which given the circumstances is completely unsurprising.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1320
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:19:00 -
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Mm. If we knew that, then I very much doubt the man would still be executor.
Quinzel's right, that kind of a serious accusation demands more firm evidence than your own impression of a man's character. As staunchly anti-Provist as I am, i won't accuse a man of that kind of monstrous, murderous incompetence and cowardice without hard evidence.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
129
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:27:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:This level of spatial awareness, acumen and procedural ability is what all Caldari should aspire to.
Truly we should expect such from all Capsuleers regardless of nationality.
Also I will kiss Heth if I ever say this about a non-Foundations or non-Nation capsuleer ever again, but the Admiral in her final moments was a great hero and an example of how we should act. Give of yourself everything you can and more for Humanity. She did not check the passports of the people she saved. She did not care who they voted for in the Federation, or which Mega they worked for in the State. I can promise you if I went back in time and told her there were supporters of Nation on the surface it would not have changed her actions.
She did what she did for Humanity. And ever time you all have your petty little arguments like the recent Rep/Fed one, you should all be ashamed. People die because you cannot see past you own damn flags or genetics. Wake up and fight for Everyone.
These words are not the official stance of the Foundations, but rather my personal ones along with some of my current ship's crew. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
222
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:28:00 -
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I like you when you're not making your being frivolous with the Tribals, Hakatain.
You get me.
Ex-Kaalakiota citizen. Ex-Hyasyoda citizen. CEO of-áK+îKAK. Despite her corporate journey, Quinzel now subscribes to the leanings of the Practical bloc.-á |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2648
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:47:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Mm. If we knew that, then I very much doubt the man would still be executor.
Quinzel's right, that kind of a serious accusation demands more firm evidence than your own impression of a man's character. As staunchly anti-Provist as I am, i won't accuse a man of that kind of monstrous, murderous incompetence and cowardice without hard evidence.
Well if I could provide harder evidence than gut instinct on what I know of Heth, then he'd likely already be dead, either at your hands or the hands of some other patriotic Caldari. I admitted right from the start that it was only a hunch, but I feel fairly sure of it. The man's losing his grip - on the State, on Caldari Prime, on Kaalakiota, on the Navy. These things we know to be true. As to losing his grip on his own sanity? I think we can make an educated guess, at least.
Is he capable of having Admiral Yanala killed? He was capable of ordering the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians. He started a war that has ended hundreds of millions. What's one more woman if it ties up loose ends?
Mane 614
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1321
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:53:00 -
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It's not the one woman - that's just good old-fashioned ruthlessness, which I acknowledge he has in spades - so much as that he would have to be catastrophically insensible of the political and popular fallout were such an incident to come to light. It would suggest a complete loss of any empathy what the average Caldari citizen, and complete certainty in his own immunity from deposition.
Maybe that's the case. but Tibus Heth has been Executor of the State for five years, and if he were so completely adrift from reality then I have my doubts he could have held that position for so long, popular support or not.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
428
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:06:00 -
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Five years is also long enough for him to drift from reality and sanity, Hakatain-haan. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1323
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:10:00 -
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Which is why I'm not dismissing the scenario as impossible.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2648
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:11:00 -
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Assume for a moment that my supposition regarding Heth ordering an Oblivion strike on Caldari Prime is correct.
Admiral Yanala revives in a new clone with the knowledge that this order was made - the supposed saviour of the State and the Caldari people, ordering the outright destruction of the Caldari homeworld - of Home, as you call it. Do you truly believe that this information would be any less damaging to Heth's regime if it became public than the knowledge that he had Admiral Yanala offed? Killing Yanala might, just possibly, be spun in some way; perhaps as the deserved destruction of an incompetent or a traitor. If he was very careful, he could turn the grief of the Caldari people against a target other than himself.
But the knowledge that he had ordered a world-ender strike on Caldari Prime? If Admiral Yanala is truly as revered by the common Statesman as much as you say she is, her honest word that Heth had given her this order would be much, much harder for Heth to spin favourably - and if she is not as revered as to hold such confidence with the Caldari people, then killing her would not be so hard for Heth to justify to them. Admiral Yanala knows the truth - no non-disclosure agreement could be assured of holding back that knowledge, not if it was so critical to the Caldari people. Many Caldari citizens on the IGS have spoken in positive terms of breaking the letter of the law to uphold its spirit - and if Admrial Yanala is as good a person as she seems to be, this seems like the perfect example.
Heth considers his options. In one hand, he faces possible, perhaps even probable ruin at the hands of the Admiral who knows far too much about his true nature. On the other hand, he faces a difficult and deeply dishonourable course of action, but one that, if the matter were ever brought to light, might just be salvageable.
If I were a cynical bastard with a hell of a lot to lose, I know what option I'd choose.
Mane 614
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1323
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:19:00 -
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If such an order were given, the flight recorder contains the records.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
428
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:25:00 -
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And that is why I consider the CEP/CalNav investigation of the Shiigeru incident the opening move by the CEP against Heth. |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2648
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:27:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:If such an order were given, the flight recorder contains the records.
That depends if the flight data recorder and the communications recorder were unified or seperate (and there are several compelling reasons to keep them seperate), and furthermore, this would only be relevant if the order were given during the battle, on a communications channel that the communications recorder had access to. We, as capsuleers, often have access to many and varied communications methods that aren't on the CRC books.
Mane 614
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
175
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:41:00 -
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Isn't it normal for Caldari to commit suicide after failing important charges or duties, to regain one's honor? That is what mister Tuulinen told me.
Maybe she did that? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1323
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:45:00 -
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True. I don't know naval doctrine with regards to the communications recorder, and now that I think about it keeping a permanent, salvageable record of ships communications would pose a potential security weakness. The navy may feel that having a salvageable record for the after-action report is worth that risk, however, and frankly with state-of-the-art encryption methods based on quantum entanglement, hacking into a Caldari Navy flight recorder to spoof authorized access would be... challenging.
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Marlies Dekkers
Research Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:03:00 -
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She's dead: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Falling_Skies_(Chronicle)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tea_Maker_Ceremony
Skip to (if you can't be asked to read it all):
March 22nd, YC 115
Perimeter II GÇô Moon 1 GÇô Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Kimotoro Constellation, Caldari State |
Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:14:00 -
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Well played, Hakatain. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
109
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:20:00 -
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A deathbed realization that playing the part of Heth's stooge was a poor choice hardly redeems her. Committing ritual suicide would have been about the only way for her to not go down as yet another Provist dupe.
Now the question becomes when will Erinen follow her for the disastrous invasion that started this whole ridiculous war. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
584
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:26:00 -
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This is a thread where we should be celebrating one woman's decision to act to save lives instead of end them when placed in a situation where a catastrophic disaster was going to occur no matter what action she took. She deliberately chose - judging by the transcripts of Luminaire's local comms, chose against orders - to do what was necessary to minimize the loss of life when the Shiigeru impacted the surface.
She deserves far more than just a medal for her actions that day. Instead of killing the population on the surface, Caldari and Gallentean alike, she did everything in her power to minimize the damage from the inevitable result of the manner of the Shiigeru's destruction. Visera Yanala is a hero and should be treated with the respect she deserves.
Instead of doing that, Andreus, you are spewing conspiracy theories.
Whether they are well-founded or not is irrelevant; this not the appropriate place for them. Take them and get out.
Morwen Lagann
Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
802
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:44:00 -
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Yanala deserves our gratitude for this
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1324
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:35:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:This is a thread where we should be celebrating one woman's decision to act to save lives instead of end them when placed in a situation where a catastrophic disaster was going to occur no matter what action she took. She deliberately chose - judging by the transcripts of Luminaire's local comms, chose against orders - to do what was necessary to minimize the loss of life when the Shiigeru impacted the surface.
She deserves far more than just a medal for her actions that day. Instead of killing the population on the surface, Caldari and Gallentean alike, she did everything in her power to minimize the damage from the inevitable result of the manner of the Shiigeru's destruction. Visera Yanala is a hero and should be treated with the respect she deserves.
I completely agree.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
59
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:19:00 -
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