I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

Is this a repeat, or have I gone back in time?

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

I can`t leave my asteroids.

who wanted to do this in the pastt? :D need to know the name, let me know...

The problem with this is that is requires the skill "ballsack" to be trained to at least one, most floks in high sec haven't gotten around to it yet....

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

The problem with this is that is requires the skill "ballsack" to be trained to at least one, most floks in high sec haven't gotten around to it yet....

I'll be waiting in VFK for you.

Can a serious plausible fleet doctrine be built on Procurers alone?

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

we got the money, the mercenarys are calling in already, just wait and see...

For the love of god...please please please let me know what system youre going to attack first and when... I want to sit in a cloaked ship and watch the massacre!!!

although im all for togetherness and coalitions to defeat evil around the world. you'd still face the resulting retaliation (2nd, 3rd waves) resulting in endless war decc'ing in high sec, gank-palooza, Kill a Newbie-fest , Goonswarming ventures, miner attacks endless miner attacks.. and just about anything and everyone killing weaker players... oh wait that happens now.

how about PVE vs PVP.. no that cant work its a playstyle.. they actually need each other. how about.. everyone vs ccp and cause the server to crash.. now that's something exciting..no wait.. that wont work cause it'll cause ripple effects in mass withdrawl syndrome throughout the world...how about.. we all just target Stratosphere Volcano Hekla..........yea.. that's a good idea..

my point is.. OP.. until CCP really once again states the "law" of the "lawless -like" game newbies like me will always be dinner to a vet.. they wont change it, and its never going to change.. if it does.. then it could be something like.. Wormhole to Unicorn land and im sure we all dont want that.. do we? there is absolutely no way a 2 month newbie can take out a 10yr veteran..i'd actually just prefer to learn from the 10 year veteran really.

lol.. yeah i want to watch as well.. im sure 1 frigate can actually take out lets say a Titan in under less than 5 mins.. 1 vs big one...lmao

I'm sorry to tell you and all null sec people, this won't be one on one, this will be more like 10 vs. 1, that will be our barbecue and I'm planning on doing it once a year, there will be a fixed date for it and a fixed route, you could come in your pod and would not be hurt...

LOL highsec carebear invasion of nullsec...

Its cute when people try to herd cats.

Mercs just sit on trade hub undocks, I don't think this is going to work as good as you think it is.

Please for the love that is good and holy do this. Please!

Battle Ventures and Battle Skiffs vs Null fleets...hmmm I'm gonna have to start a betting parlour on this... Hahaha

You forgot the Battlebadger, the Itty iv of Doom, and of course the noobship swarms.

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec spacey

It is not in our nature. If it were in our nature, then we would not be carebears in the first place.

ITT: OP attempts to garner support for invading Russia in the winter, with no discernible logistics chain.

Sounds like a plan.

Anyway JFs make logistics "too easy" and "riskless" as I have been told by people with great highsec experience.

What's the DPS on Hugs?

Slightly less than that of the average shuttle-KM temper tantrum.

I think the Carebear Armada is going to have a problem then.

Indeed. It's called 0.4 space.

I think Lady Gaga said it best when she sang:

"Let's have some fun and gank some ****,
I'm gonna get your pod with my disco ship."

so are you actually going to do this or are you just making a copy/paste attempt at posturing on eve-o

you'd think that, by now, somebody would have actively run around recruiting a bunch of worthless hiseccers to do something that would actually be worth writing and reading about but every passing moment just shows that there's basically no chance, since the worthless hiseccers will not do anything that doesn't result in wallet++ (and, consequently, cashout++)

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

It is not in our nature. If it were in our nature, then we would not be carebears in the first place.

so are you actually going to do this or are you just making a copy/paste attempt at posturing on eve-o

you'd think that, by now, somebody would have actively run around recruiting a bunch of worthless hiseccers to do something that would actually be worth writing and reading about but every passing moment just shows that there's basically no chance, since the worthless hiseccers will not do anything that doesn't result in wallet++ (and, consequently, cashout++)

I bet there are players who have never left their asteroid system, often times I see carebears 100km off the gate staring at it like they have never seen one before, then after about 5 min they warp to the station.

The problem with this is that is requires the skill "ballsack" to be trained to at least one, most floks in high sec haven't gotten around to it yet....

As opposed to the nullsec pilots that run for the station when someone who isn't "blue" appears in local?

As opposed to the nullsec pilots that run for the station when someone who isn't "blue" appears in local?

Will it be more like EvE, where entire corporations stay dockeddisband because one 'bad guy' sits outside of station wardecced them?

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

we don't need that tactical nonsense, we are carebears, we just go there and shoot those who are upfront... we leave the tactical stuff to the defenders, we just shoot ships in old fashion, easy

a great way to get eaten alive by a couple of dictors and some blap dreads, that's for sure

hell, even a caracal fleet will wipe the floor with you

Getting highsecers to work together is like herding cats.

Even if you could get them all together, mining characters tend to have crap combat skills. You might get the same DPS out of 50 competent battleship pilots, as you could get from your massive wall of killmails barges. You can only bring so many people into local at once before the node stops people from jumping in.

I'm still not worried, like I said we come in a ratio 10 vs. 1, all we can loose is lets say a jump clone and the value of one week mining, you will need to come up with your best ships if you want to stand a chance... everybody gets what he wants, no riks for carebears and high risc for nullsecers

Why do i even give a reply to this ..... i must be utterly bored ...

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

isn't that the reason any one ever posts in GD?

Getting highsecers to work together is like herding cats.

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

You want to do what is called carebear paradox.

Oh god not another thread like this. There's 3 on the first page alone.

Yeh, it seems to me if you were going to do something already 'counter' to your own interests it might be more entertaining to do something other than simply emulating your 'enemies' play style. One of the common assertions is the game would not run without 'carebears'. Test that. For instance, you could create a counter gank gate blockade around all the major trade hubs rather than going on a roam. Create a general strike and violently enforce it. Test whether your assumptions about lines of supply are correct in some counter-intuitive way. Collude to dominate the ore market. Still use the craptastic Venture, Badger, etc. fleet to do all that. Probably not the best ideas, but something along those lines.

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

What will be our anthem to fly into battle?

What will be our anthem to fly into battle?

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

you mean like people who never left their training corp or just post with their alts on the forum?

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

edit: join my channel SpaceJunkys there we talk about the details

that actually was my plan B, I'm planning to kick of a hyperinflation wich will crippel the market and will have a devastating effect to all who are not prepared, but you as well have some pretty good ideas, we should talk some more soon... :D

KING BEYOND THE WALL!!!

Problem is, nearly anyone who has the time or inclination to work as a team and risk getting blown apart, has already been recruited into null/low/wh space.

Your dream is dead on arrival.

But they have bigger ships... If I wanted to be in null, I would go there... Why don't you leave my fellow huggybears and I in peace? No real bear is interested in this... Maybe one day but not today... Your idea is very uncarebear... GTFO and stay in nullsec where you belong. Join them in their petty wars... They can say hi to Concord when they **** in my pond.

So... Basically you are a goon alt pretending to be a carebear...... in order to disguise the next market manipulation attempt in which the rich get richer while the poor get screwed. Thanks for making this clear! :P
P.S. I know he may not be a goon, just blatent stereotyping here, since it doesn't really matter if he's a Goon, PL, or anyone, Goons will still make money on the market manipulation attempt regardless.

One in every 5 people would be spies for another corp.

One in 20 would be awoxer alts.

One in probably 50 would be a member of The Guiding Hand or whatever they call themselves, put in to get to a decent position of power, then fold the whole thing like a deck of card.


As an idea, it's not bad per se, you would just attract the wrong sort of people. Some of those with a LOT of patience.

Can a serious plausible fleet doctrine be built on Procurers alone?

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

edit: join my channel SpaceJunkys there we talk about the details

So, your solution to not wanting to PvP is more PvP? Kinda like taking a patient with a nasty disease and giving him an even nastier disease to distract him from the first?

And the real solution is much simpler - quit the game for 3 months, en masse. I guarantee you, as soon as population take a nosedive, CCP wil get moving in a hurry. See Incarna and what happened after. It's very, very simple. Buuut, of course it'll never happen, as it requires two factors - cooperation and spine. Both of which PvErs lack.

So, your solution to not wanting to PvP is more PvP? Kinda like taking a patient with a nasty disease and giving him an even nastier disease to distract him from the first?

And the real solution is much simpler - quit the game for 3 months, en masse. I guarantee you, as soon as population take a nosedive, CCP wil get moving in a hurry. See Incarna and what happened after. It's very, very simple. Buuut, of course it'll never happen, as it requires two factors - cooperation and spine. Both of which PvErs lack.

Oddly enough, this thread reminded me of ol-¦Cat posts and the Rancer Defense League

Ahhh, I miss Cat sometimes, and Jenny

people you need to help me here, ask around who wants to join the carebear fleet and tell them to jump into my public chat SpaceJunkys, there we can talk about our great endeavour and get prepared, I would suggest we do the invasion the weekend before eve's birthday or around november/december every year, so plenty of time still... jump in so we can work on your warplan and start rollin

I asked around Rens, but everyone said they were going to be busy running Level 4's that weekend, or installing manufacturing jobs on their industry alts.

I'm not going to wade through months or years of threads to find it. But one thing I don't think anything came of the ones before so good luck.

Two words: Children's Crusade.

Is this an empire ceo I see actually creating content?

Please ensure you tell everyone how to set up their overview and pick a direction.

The trick is to do everything so fast they don't realise that they are actually on a pvp roam until after they've just fired on another player that didn't give permission in advance.

OP, when you decide this isn't happening, look up Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA). They are perhaps the only group to successfully bring highbears out of highsec to live in a highsec-like space that is not highsec.

I really admire what you're trying to do. It won't work, though, and I can tell you why: communication. You can't amass a huge fighting force of highbears cause you can't get a huge mass of highbears to know about what you're doing, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to agree on a method of attack, you can't get a huge mass of highbears to work together under a ship doctrine or set of fleet tactics. Even if you massed a thousand highbears to run a giant spaceship donut through nullsec, all that would happen is you'd get hotdropped and you'd all be sent to upgrade your fresh clone grade alpha in less time than it takes to inquire why that one guy who's supposed to be logi is AFK.

But if you're really determined to get this thing together, then you have my support. I don't know very many influential groups who would be willing to work with you, but you could try getting in touch with the James 3:15 (New Order of Highsec) crowd. At first it may appear that they are aligned against you, but consider that you and they have the same goal: to enhance highsec communication and get the highbears to agree on something. If James 315 were successful in what they set out to do, there would undoubtedly be a big outcry and subsequent rebellion. And that rebellion could hurt people in nullsec more than their shipwrecks feed it.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)

not if we fight like carebears, thats when the overwhelming force comes into play, the whole party will be as save as mining asteroids I promise

How many mining barges does it take to be "overwhelming force" against a fleet of super carriers and titans?

Not only do carebears not care about pvp, loads of them are alts from mains in nullsec alliances who often like pvp.

If anything, you will get a fleet full of empire alts flying ships with cyno's trying to blob this carebear fleet with their mains.

Actual carebears will ragequit and probably never log in again, and nullsec will get gf.

TL;DR yeaaaaah, no.

Maybe we could get CCP to introduce Tech2 panties into the game, wearing those MIGHT give the real "carebears" enough sack room to stop playing the eternal victims of a video game....but I doubt it.

When I was in null sec, our policy was that when a roam came into our area, we'd dock up and not fight.

Many people would whine... why do we let these people just roam through our area and not do anything about it.


The answer is, because we don't want them here.

Counter intuitive at first, but you have to look at secondary effects. WHY were people roaming through the area? Because they wanted fights. How do we make them go somewhere else? By making sure they don't get fights here.

Go out and fight them, sure, maybe you can win and send them home in pods or clone activations.... but they are just going to come right back.

Don't give then fights is the MUCH, MUCH more effective means of dealing with unwanted roaming gangs.



Same goes for how carebears should deal with the PvPers. Just make sure they don't get kills.

You want to blow up my ship.

I don't want you to blow up my ship.

I don't undock when there is a reasonable risk my ship will go boom.

You don't blow up my ship.

You come to the forums DEMANDING it be easier to make my ship go boom, because EVE is dying..... What you do not accept is that if the rules were changed to make it easier to make my ship go boom, I'd just change my play style to continue to ensure my ship does not go boom.

I win, you lose.

Who is the eternal victim?

sounds like you were in CVA.

but yeah ive been in the fleet roaming , not fighting is a direct counter to pvp

I say it's time for all carebears to gather all recources and invade that null sec space, clean out all gate campers, rats and whatever else we find... lets loot their ships destroy their bases, fight the biggest war ever in new eden

we do this carebear style in such an overwhelming force that nobody of us will be hurt, and out of all those wrecks we leave behind CCP can create a monument to honor our victorious play style

let me know who's in and we plan this biggest mobilisation in EVEs history

edit: join my channel SpaceJunkys there we talk about the details

And I say it's also time for all nullseccers to gather all resources and invade hi-sec space, clean up all the hi-sec belts of Veldspar, scordite and whatever else we can find... lets steal their mins destroy their belts, fight the biggest trade war ever in new eden.

We also do this at the same time as all the carebears do the above suggested nullsec incursion, giving them nothing to shoot at.... so they can mine the Gneiss and spod instead.

I like this spacejunky idea.

ill fight with you brother!

anyone who knows me, knows that I am one of the biggest carebears in nullsec. lets do this ish.

actually, a 0.0 alliance came from it

(Xystance took a break from TEST to do this sort of thing - The Hero that High Sec Deserves - the resulting alliance The 99 Percent eventually ended up as a TEST pet and then merged with The Aurora Shadow to create Tribal Band which now owns Period Basis.)

if you want to actually put overwhelming force into nullsec you'll need FCs, tight fleet compositions, a logistics crew to drop POS, keep them fueled and deal with sov structures, a proper chain of command and, most importantly, pilots

it's a bit more complicated than running a mission, it seems

I'm still curious as to what a 'carebear style' invasion of nullsec would be like. I just keep picturing a bunch of exhumers trying to take out ganker ships with strip miners and their own explosions.

+1

I fully endorse this idea.

We should all go and invade 0.0.

With combat Iterons and Hulks of DOOM !

I got my noob miner ready and an empty jump clone on standby!

Say when and where and I'll come with tackling procurer

we do this carebear style

The problem with this is that is requires the skill "ballsack" to be trained to at least one, most floks in high sec haven't gotten around to it yet....

OP has obviously never in his game life tried to build up and much less organize a fleet in high sec.

If he had, then he would not have started this thread.

We will await patiently. I suggest skipping lowsec however, since the local pirates may just kill every single one of you before we can.

not more will be needed, look at the star map man, no fights in null sec, i hardly believe they find the fire button when we arrive

One of the common assertions is the game would not run without 'carebears'. Test that.

However, they are notoriously bad at counting ISK, don't know how create a business plan, have never heard of market PvP, can't tell a vertical business from a horizontal, and have never used a ranged buy order

The funniest part of the OP is where carebears work together for common goals. Hilarious.

I spend ~70% of my gametime in high-sec farming level 4 missions. But the other 30% during which I pvp in 0.0 are what I see as defining of my playstyle

I'm certain there is some fancy Sun Tzu quote about the dangers of thinking you understand something when in fact you do not have a clue. Please look it up and apply it to yourself, Thanks.

I seem to have hit a nerve here...

I don't say it is possible, and I have no intention of trying.

You really do try hard to conform to the stereotype of the Sun Tzu quoting high-sec pubbie. "Someone tells me I am full of ****, therefore I must have been right", next-level analytical thinking right there.