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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:24:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Hey CCP, if you don't plan to work on WiS, why don't you stop putting it your trailers? Just a spaceships and a voice over the video. Just be honest. So there won't be any players that want something from you what you can't deliver.
Heh. After seeing the last trailer, I just would like they stickied to the existing lore about capsules and clones. 
Anyone seeing the "Origins" trailer will be misled into thinking that:
a, capsuleers must die to transfer themselves into pod clones (FALSE)
b, capsules are a kind of glorified cockpit (FALSE)
It's like the guys doing EVE's promotional stuff don't even work at CCP (lazorz Raven anyone?), let alone play EVE or know what EVE is about, and on top of that the CCP guy(s) overseeing them didn't care too much.
And in case you think that's bad enough, I remind you that they're hiring a Executive Producer (aka The Man Who Makes EVE) from exactly that kind of professional background (one that knows zill of EVE).
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1474
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:33:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
a, capsuleers must die to transfer themselves into pod clones (FALSE)
Actually, this isn't true. If you read the officially sanctioned books you would know that in order to become a capsuleer your original human self must die. Otherwise I agree... Seeing the capsuleer inside their pod like some kind of cockpit did seem pretty odd.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
59
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Posted - 2013.05.20 11:38:00 -
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Topic has been moved to Features and Ideas forum.
ISD Tyrozan
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
229
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:48:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
a, capsuleers must die to transfer themselves into pod clones (FALSE)
Actually, this isn't true. If you read the officially sanctioned books you would know that in order to become a capsuleer your original human self must die. (..)
Yeah it is in the New Player Experience in game as well, the NPE that was introduced for Incarna in fact.
That new NPE was a great improvement to the game much overlooked when compared to Monoclegate. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
Limitless Inc.
119
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:31:00 -
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Well I want more WiS content. TBH I want more clothes in more colours. And I want a homewares and soft furnishing's department at Nex too. I'd quite like to visit a NeX store in game and walk around it. I want to buy stuff to put in my flat, (sorry - captain's quarters) - like a better sofa and bed. I also want my Avatar to eat crisps and burgers and drink beer on the couch and smoke. I've bought a Janitor and loads of marines - I want to say hi to them. I've even got a couple (hundred) exotic dancers too. And Why do I need to walk my toon around - can't they just wander about and do stuff like little computer people - if I leave them for a while whilst I do a ton of industry and PI stuff.
But. . . I guess that'll never happen |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1477
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Posted - 2013.05.20 15:34:00 -
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So many edgy anti-WiS players.
I'd love to see a shared real-time map room for corps/alliances. Not like the map we have now, but an expanded version of it that includes modifiable map legends to save like an overview. For instance, you could have a setting for sovereignty, real-time engagements, PoS locations, and more all on a big old holographic map projected from a shared room. That would be incredibly useful in planning Ops and determining next steps for CTAs. Same for shared maps/interfaces for say.....future introduction of Odyssey style moon mining/PI (indy or combat focused).
One could step it up even more by adding some meta-game functions in. Worried about eaves dropping on chats for your alliance, but are tired of having to use so many third party communications programs just to ensure security? How about a controlled meeting environment that has all the comforts of a 3rd party communication platform built into Eve that's far more streamlined, functional, and useful combined with the above map functions?
Another few possibilities;
Automated long range probing missions from special rooms to help build new star gates.
POS module planning (for the towers) for specific moons.
Eve-mon...in Eve....for fleets. Picture a board room with a giant screen and something similar to the fitting window that gives you stats for specific fleet compositions.
There's a lot of possibilities that could give more depth to Eve than what we have now. Yes other things/bugs do need addressed such as POS's, tiericied, sov revamp, etc. But that doesn't mean the concept of WiS is completely and utterly useless. To say such shows that you're simply close minded and are a roadblock to further innovative applications within Eve.
Kindly biomass.
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance
UNITED STAR FEDERATION
17
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:29:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Hey CCP, if you don't plan to work on WiS, why don't you stop putting it your trailers? Just a spaceships and a voice over the video. Just be honest. So there won't be any players that want something from you what you can't deliver.
sad but true... Just went back and watcheed the fan fest videos etc. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
142
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:28:00 -
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It would add potential content for a little seen segment of the player base: The Station Trader.
If individual shops could be visited and purchased from as an alternative to the way orders work now a new dimension opens up for market PvP where you simply don't buy from a certain player, corp, or alliance. Develop a reputation as a live trader and starve the .01 ISK bots out of the game. Open a potential direct market for items normally only available through contracts. Probably tons more that could be done that I won't think of because I don't do trading.
The value of socialization should not be overlooked either. Having the ability to interact with the Dustbunnies in your alliance fosters a team atmosphere.
WiS was never the problem, the Nex store and trying to add in Pay to Win items on it was. |
Shao Huang
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
231
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Posted - 2013.05.20 19:42:00 -
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An impossible proposal, but sometimes considering the impossible reveals interesting possibilities.
WiS
1- must be consistent with both the sandbox and conflict engines. This means PvP must be explicitly possible in the station.
2- Stations have finite security consistent with system security levels.
3- Captains quarters can be invaded, even in high-sec, but requires very high investment/risk
4- Captains quarters defense systems can be invested in
5- someone flees a wardec? It is possible to chase them into the Station and hunt them down, though it is more than likely you will die in the process.
6- there are only very, very limited weapons and limited PvP skills available to EVE players in Station...
Already crazy stupid huh? But wait, there's more... All even more impossible for so many reasons... But heck, they now have at least three years to work on it.
7- Stations function as the staging lobby for DUST and DUST players can also WiS.
8- DUST players have team dorms for gear, intel, etc, rather than individual quarters.
9- DUST players have superior weaponry and skills in station, a limited subset of their existing fits.
10- EVE captains can contract with DUST players for in-station actions, etc.
None of this precludes the OP suggestions, poker rooms and such... Course you could get shot over a poker game.
Private sig. Do not read. |
Elder Ozzian
Frozen Dawn Inc
Arctic Light
60
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:00:00 -
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For counter-argue to the people saying that there is too much space for so few ppl: F2P... I'm gonna leave this here for more haters gonna hate; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2973819#post2973819
I disagree! |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.05.20 21:06:00 -
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There is obviously a large amount of people who want this to happen.
The thing I don't understand is why can CCP use the station area that they made in PlayStation Home.
As far as the people who are asking why does some of us want this. The answer to this is there is a lot of people in this game that love role playing. I've requested the other day for real glasses for the avatars, and a lot of people agreed. But, a few pointed out that it wouldn't exactly fit in the role playing in this game. (Something about the clone shouldn't have poor eyesight)
Anyways, adding features in the WIS could increase the functions in this game. Some of the things I want in the WIS is countdowns on BP and PI jobs. Also, one of the things that WIS could do is immerse more of your real life into the game. (Weather, email, social, etc). Basically the WIS opens an entire new side to this game, and it can push it to new levels.
Now it's obvious that CCP most like won't update the WIS any time soon. I highly doubt the WIS will die out before the game dies out.
However, I believe if they don't treat things like the WIS and ships more seriously, than they will slowly lose players that won't come back. CCP is already on thin ice with a lot of players trust. Also, they already earned a rep for half way doing projects and updates. |
Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance
UNITED STAR FEDERATION
18
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:03:00 -
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They prob wont update it any time soon. at the same time the cat is already out of the bag. Those quality of life improvements that we get twice a year (re balancing so on so forth new colored ships. Some new ships) should be done though out the year like most other MMO's/.) Yes CCP is not a large studio but the game has been around for 10 years thats 10 years worth of updates for them to make money etc. The point being is WIS and new content should be expansion that expand the universe. What we get now are nothing but glorified patches that are dubbed expansions .
Not trying to bash them really im not but you already showed u had the stations built you released it with part of that content enabled just enable the rest let us work with it and take your time improving it. You would be shocked and supprised what we could do with tons of blank new free realist ate.
Those that honestly get mad at ccp for things like wis or other aspects that they try to change eg burn jita etc or threaten to leave because they want to expand the universe to make it more of a space simulation should seriously just eather go or ccp should start not listening to them cause there at the point there doing more harm then good to ccp. Not saying ccp hasnt made mistakes in the past. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
Limitless Inc.
120
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:16:00 -
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Small Steps. . .
1) More Content for Nex
2) Items to go in your Captains Quarters from Nex
3) Corridors off of "The Door" - Door is going to have to be an "elevator" - so many to 1 relationship can be maintained for other communal areas of the station - I.e - you get a unique floor code for your room - or the system just takes you to your CQ instance
4) More rooms off your CQ - to make it cozy - Some communal areas - like "Space Pubs"
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AskariRising
8th Day
8
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Posted - 2013.05.21 07:42:00 -
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CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this. |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:37:00 -
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AskariRising wrote:CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this.
That is a good idea. The only people who would help fund this would be people who want this. (The only down side to this is if they ask for some stupid amount) |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
Limitless Inc.
120
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Posted - 2013.05.21 13:59:00 -
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AskariRising wrote:CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this.
CCP - If you like;
1) Give us a materials library we can choose from,
2) Give us the details for Carbon's conforming clothes:
so we know how to construct the geometry and normals,
how to apply texture coordinates,
IE the vertex definition and the Vertex and Index list formats,
tell us if we need to worry about the underlying skeleton and if we do let us know how to work it,
the tucking mechanic details so we can get that to work properly,
and how we turn off the underlying body geometary if our clothes completely cover it,
and the format of the file,
And any flags in the model,
etc),
and then let us bombard you with content you can deploy if you want to.
Be nice if you gave us an OOG dressing room environment for testing - with the walking animation and fidget animations so we can be sure our stuff is solid and doesn't clip through to physical model.
We'd all sign off our efforts to CCP. And I know Carbon's character model is hot property - we'd all sign NDAs to get the information to build stuff. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
134
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:06:00 -
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Unfortunately, as some people have shown, NDAs aren't always enough to stop some EVE players from leaking sensitive information or just doing whatever they want. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
Limitless Inc.
120
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:21:00 -
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I know. people are rubbish at NDAs. But.. . !! But - But model formats have been released before - with the engine mechanics remaining unknown. The format without the engine still has value but maybe less value - enough so for CCP to open it up?
I know EvE doesn't do Mods - can't do Mods because of the botting issues that plague all MMOs. But people do like to Mod - we have loads of OOG resources that people have made - and some people can produce good quality assets - especially if the scope of work is limited - like a pair of trousers! This could give us modders an outlet. |
Sayf ulMulk
Royal Starlancers
10
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:23:00 -
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There was already made video from station content package however the first source had ot be scrapped due to ps3 dust project. Second video was made with new engine compatible to dust. However tthe captain quorters should serve as test bed for dust/eve online. This failed epicly due to no optimalization of textures and other related stuff. And then ccp released dust to beta and another expansion was pushed so there was no time to finish the WIS. They just fixed performance in capital quarters becouse they couldnt remove the entire content.
If the WIS will ever return it will be launched either when all fw planets become conquerable to fix low participation or when dust wil fully impact 0.0 to attract more dust players. Otherwise i dont see it implemented ever. |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:35:00 -
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The one thing I was wondering is if this upcoming update will bring anything to the WIS. Like they said they did something with the looks in the station. |
Kuronaga
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
147
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Posted - 2013.05.21 15:55:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Hate to say it but most FiS expansions have absolutely no content whatsoever. I just came back after a couple of years and it's still the same damn game.
CCP's idea of content is to re-balance existing stuff and beat their artists until every old ship is V3'd.
I couldn't care less about the FiS expansions at this point. At least with the one room of doom that was Incarna, it was actually something new in the game. Go play second life or some themepark mmo-rpg. In sandbox mmo-rpg's games, players are the content. What EvE Online needs is constant iteration and improvements on existing system.
Players are the content?
Nah dawg, that's just something stupid fanboys say so they can justify getting nothing for years.
And you have gotten nothing for years. You're playing the same game you always have been. Apocrypha and Incursion were the last expansions that actually offered anything new. The replacement of content is not the same as the addition of content.
Incarna would have offered something new if CCP had not been so incredibly incompetent over the whole thing. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the initial vision of it. There was something deeply wrong with what Hilmar had corrupted it into.
An then again, you go ahead and mock the idea of WiS but I bet little nerds like you just spin your ship when you get camped inside of stations anyway. That's probably 90% of your day so I don't see why you've got such hard-on for FiS. I don't think your vision for a time killer is much better than mine.
If you could put a wig and makeup on your ship while you were spinning it, I bet you would. That's a little disturbing bro, might wanna get checked up. |
Apolion
Light-year Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:51:00 -
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I want Wis:
I want to recognize my fellow players and interact with them more personally. I spent a lot of time on my avatar and I want to show him/her off.
Yes I do want to stab a spoon into the eye of the guy that poded me! Someone please explain why I canGÇÖt/shouldnGÇÖt?
I also want to take some corp. buddies/Dust mercs and disable that titan, board it and shoot the pilot in the back of his head, repair the ship and call it mine!
I do want to walk into that space station we sieged, shoot every one inside if they done surrender (or not) and take all of its assets, unanchore it and take it, or simply rebuilt it as mine! [This can be done without WIS]
Yes ill leave my pod to shoot at pirates boarding my ship to defend it to my last dying breath/ set the auto destruct eject and see pirate scambling out of it while it blows every thing within 20k to space dust.
IGÇÖm willing to go EVA and risk someone stealing my ship while IGÇÖm searching for new tech in an abandoned Jovian/sleeper/GǪ station.
Hell yeah I would love to sit at my bar with my exotic dancers, while my corp. is waiting out a War dec looking out into space from my huge panoramic space window, seeing my enemies fly off because their board out of their minds.
Yes I want to see all my ships sitting in my hangar, waiting for me to pull one out of storage.
Someday I would like to go to a station/planet side and build a little store that sells the best rail guns in the universe because I can find/steal the best resource that exist.
Maybe just sit with friends and watch the sunset as my avatar drinks himself into a drunken stuporGǪOR I want to walk into my guild hall where I have collected the corpses of all my enemies, bask in the glory of the monuments I have made for myself and my fellow corp. mates. See my stores of loot and wealth not simply see lists in displays. Know all this effort can vanish if I lose sight that there is someone that wants to take it from me or simply destroy it.
Guys I know some of you canGÇÖt/won't see the value in the aforementioned items. IGÇÖm truly sorry you donGÇÖt have the imagination to allow this. Others do. Please donGÇÖt stop complaining though, if/when CCP begins to slack because priorities get misaligned to yoursGǪ they need to hear from all of us so that this game continue to grow its player base continues to grow in quality and richness so as to attract more newbie to shoot at.
As for dedicating resources CCP make those decisions as they please, not because incarna was implemented badly, there are many resource that are being dedicated that are not promoting better/more FIS, such as GÇ£WoDGÇ¥. How do you think EVE trailers are made do you think someone is simply painting them each time they decide to create a trailer that has WIS clearly depicted. No. those resources have been built and they right now use them inside GÇ£JessicaGÇ¥ and other platforms to create those fantastic trailer. Please donGÇÖt fool your selves CCP knows that those images of people Walking In Stations are useful/needed to market the EVE story. It would be disingenuous of them to discard one of the foundations of the original vision that has been stated over and over pre and post incarna fiasco and that many current players came to EVE because of this PROMISS.
Here is the only reason now that this vision is a bit in the future and thatGÇÖs because Eve is a one shard server environment that means you GÇ£CANGÇ¥ have thousands of players in one area of the game at the same time. Translating all those clothing types, actions, emotes, voices, punches, dance movesGǪ requires a huge bandwidth that is much greater than all of EVE players all logged in at the same time spamming every text message and missile launcher at the same time. Time dilation wonGÇÖt work in those circumstances. [Please DEVs comment on this specific point if true!]
The quality we have come to expect from EVE has been set very thigh. If we complain about minutia like book marks and the price of kernite in jita, the huge lag we will suffer because somebody decided to have a line dance party with a hundred freinds and every one misses a step will certainly be cause for yelling to high heaven.
Hopefully the GÇ£Prototype ProjectGÇ¥ will introduce slowly some WIS implementation to make the vision of the SCI-FI mmo the reality instead of the mediocre FIS that is one dimensional, even if it is infinitesimally complex.
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Ankari Lytaken
Inept Astronomics
7
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:39:00 -
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Maybe they could do something like an agent's office. Click on the door, get a pop-up which allows you to go the agent's office to get the mission. That seems like a very minimal amount of development effort. You can even re-use the current assets to create the office. Although, really what's the point in any of this stuff.
What I want is hats.
We need some hats.
Unlike trousers, hats would even be visible in the portrait! |
Stand4Incarna
1
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:12:00 -
[114] - Quote
Walking in Stations is very important to the health of EvE.
Stand4Incarna |
Tatjana Braun
Watschn Inc.
S2N Citizens
142
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
They still do a lot of things for WiS. They make T-Shirts....
CCP, pleace start serious work at WiS/CQ ore delet it finally. |
Jacob Sinclair
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:26:00 -
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Yea the whole "Look were making clothes for the closet we added to eve and you can buy them from us for real cash" "while were at the same time announcing were pulling the plug on actually having any real purpose to the items were selling you" Is just one of the dumbest things Ive ever seen in the industry. If your going to make content and release it for content your not developing and charge money for it your the laziest developers Ive ever seen in many years in the industry. That or your corporate heads are completely out of the loop with the player base of your most successful product as the mass riots proved during incarna and still are. Thus assigning skilled devs to projects with less potential still fails to improve CCP's reputation with its already existing player base. People want WIS EVE is and always has been a SPACE sim not solely a SPACESHIP sim. If you wish to stay to your ship that will not change. The old player base expresses its fear of expanding EVE beyond what they know currently on every WIS thread by bashing everything about it. That reaction happens in any game when large changes happen even if the changes will draw you deeper into the world being created, as fear of change is human nature.
Point being.
Either Put the resources back into WIS witch is content this game has needed since its conception and the tech to make it happen is easily available. Or cease selling content for it as if your actually getting ready to give your most loyal player base something you cant.
This boils down to 2 things and Ive heard enough side stepping and excuses from CCP for years to be skeptical they have any road map in place for anything they do. Granted EVE is a great game I'm simply not impressed with the timing they get things done in. If ever.
1.Get teams back on WIS make EVE better draw in more players thus adding more content for everyone as more players = more content if you disagree your in the wrong game. All that means is more content more players more money everyone wins even the old cranky players as they will have more spaceships to shoot at.
2.Drop WIS waste the profit potential screw your loyal player base throw everything into a project like Dust witch is burning at the stake as we speak claim it adds lots to EVE to cover your asses and look like idiots doing so.
As of now number 2 seems to be your brilliant road map. That's not saying if you ever got around to actually making WIS it couldn't be tied with Dust making WIS even more beneficial to EVE. For example by seamlessly dropping EVE players planet side and swapping the game over to Dust 514 on pc. Through a feature such as docking on a station in EVE using WIS to enter a space elevator and dropping down to the planet below. Then flipping open Dust on the same pc and allowing you to suit up or vice versa.
The real question is can CCP see the real potential in WIS and are they willing to get behind it for real and stop just charging me for clean clothes as my CQ doesn't even have a laundry machine. I love EVE i respect the work CCP has done its just time they took the plunge their players deserve this. |
Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1638
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:37:00 -
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Jacob Sinclair wrote:Post
Whilst I entirely appreciate the sentiment, the new stuff they have released aren't anything new. They have been done for a long time, but simply abandoned. You are right though. Why bother releasing it at all into a system they have said is completely on hold? It does seem incredibly hypocritical. Unless that means they actually want to start doing something with it. I bloody hope so.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Jacob Sinclair
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:42:00 -
[118] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Jacob Sinclair wrote:Post Whilst I entirely appreciate the sentiment, the new stuff they have released aren't anything new. They have been done for a long time, but simply abandoned. You are right though. Why bother releasing it at all into a system they have said is completely on hold? It does seem incredibly hypocritical. Unless that means they actually want to start doing something with it. I bloody hope so.
Yea the items have been floating around for a long time and moving them into EVE does leave questions as to the reasoning behind those actions. If for purely a monetary purpose and not a precursor to actually finishing something they started then that's depressing. If not even insulting. |
TenTen Artakian
Hellenic Minerals Co
1
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:26:00 -
[119] - Quote
a meeting place to all stations for avatars..like a bar...i need a drink  |
Jack Cassidy
Exemplary Orphans
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:31:00 -
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OPEN THE DOOR |
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