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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
19
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Posted - 2013.05.19 03:24:00 -
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Winter next year I'd wager. |

Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
3
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Posted - 2013.05.19 03:33:00 -
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From my understandng i could be wrong unless they removed all the assets all the station enviroments are still there there is just no npc's So why not just open the door and give it permissions like everytihng else in game and let us work with it they wouildnt have to do much more work other then assigning permissions and mb a little work on a internal intersteller market.... |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4989
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Posted - 2013.05.19 03:54:00 -
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:From my understandng i could be wrong unless they removed all the assets all the station enviroments are still there there is just no npc's So why not just open the door and give it permissions like everytihng else in game and let us work with it they wouildnt have to do much more work other then assigning permissions and mb a little work on a internal intersteller market.... I don't think it's there, nothing is. They had those things at some point, but they were abandoned because they were crap. That is also why they had almost nothing to offer us when incarna initially released. Even if they had them CCP would never release the feature a second time in such an unfinished state. What will propably happen is nothing until CCP decides on a clear plan for the feature and is willing to dedicate the resources necessary to properly implement that plan. Until that time comes the character creator is the only avatar related thing, that might get actual development. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1774
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Posted - 2013.05.19 04:04:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:From my understandng i could be wrong unless they removed all the assets all the station enviroments are still there there is just no npc's So why not just open the door and give it permissions like everytihng else in game and let us work with it they wouildnt have to do much more work other then assigning permissions and mb a little work on a internal intersteller market.... I don't think it's there, nothing is. They had those things at some point, but they were abandoned because they were crap. That is also why they had almost nothing to offer us when incarna initially released. Even if they had them CCP would never release the feature a second time in such an unfinished state. What will propably happen is nothing until CCP decides on a clear plan for the feature and is willing to dedicate the resources necessary to properly implement that plan. Until that time comes the character creator is the only avatar related thing, that might get actual development. Pretty much, this.^^ Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
911
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Posted - 2013.05.19 06:20:00 -
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Kazur Nemic wrote:I only stayed playing eve online this time becuase of captian's quarters in that case you should probably quit EVE until the door is opened
paying at least another year (and quite probably more) for content that simply doesn't exist sounds hilariously stupid to me. TEST alt - don't trust. |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
904
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Posted - 2013.05.19 06:40:00 -
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I am paying for unicorns to shoot rainbows up my butt every time i log in, so CCP should be working on that. |

Juno Libertas
Pawnstars INC The Fendahlian Collective
7
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:08:00 -
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I just want a bar to be slumped over in with my logi mates after a long day of being besieged by broadcasts. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1090
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:12:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:I am paying for unicorns to shoot rainbows up my butt every time i log in, so CCP should be working on that. They already gave you engine trails, christ... CCP has no sense of humour. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
1746
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:37:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:From my understandng i could be wrong unless they removed all the assets all the station enviroments are still there there is just no npc's So why not just open the door and give it permissions like everytihng else in game and let us work with it they wouildnt have to do much more work other then assigning permissions and mb a little work on a internal intersteller market.... I don't think it's there, nothing is. They had those things at some point, but they were abandoned because they were crap. That is also why they had almost nothing to offer us when incarna initially released. Even if they had them CCP would never release the feature a second time in such an unfinished state. What will propably happen is nothing until CCP decides on a clear plan for the feature and is willing to dedicate the resources necessary to properly implement that plan. Until that time comes the character creator is the only avatar related thing, that might get actual development.
Frankly, the fact that avatars have been completely abandoned at every level (even with almost-ready features about to be released, such as sleeve tattoos), along with Hilmar's surprise at fanfest when the crowd roared about WiS, point that WiS is dead in CCP's minds and they plan to let it die among the community.
There can't be a need for WiS when everyone who ever wanted WiS is no longer a paying customer. And that's what CCP is doing -let us starve until the problem goes away. 
As long as i am concerned, i am waiting for World of Darkness. My guess it's that will be the same grim dark sh*t as EVE (Iceland, the land of joy ), but with smexy vampire dolls instead of serial manufactured faceless ships. And hang me if i don't feel like rolling a Toreador man-eater.  The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1089
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:39:00 -
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:Normally i would not even write this (prob shouldnt)
Even if you dont know what to do with wis open the door's let players rent offices etc like we do now but in avatar form let there be a intergalactic market. With streaming prices etc Let people alliances corps open there own shops and let us run it... You dont need to do anything or worry about makeing content for it sense eve is a sandbox why not let us run it? Someone wants to log in for 8 hours a day and run a space bar so be it..... It would be cool if you went to apply to the corp and had to (if you wanted to) sense you can turn off wis. Be able to go to a corps office and apply in person in a sense. So on so forth or browse the market and watch your ship get pulled into doc. Or sit at the Quaffe cafe and Emote stab face to enemies u podded earler.
Thanks in advance.
If you agree or disagree feel free to leave a comment or flame me ....
What you are suggesting is adding no new content yet will require lots of manpower to accomplish.
In short no thank you , either do WIS with new content or do not touch it and use that same time for new content in space.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7905
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:58:00 -
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i get it some people think that it's eminently urgent that CCP finish up WiS content so that you can /dance with your friends in a station but they seem to have priorities re: the actual game
soz mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
832
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:12:00 -
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issue here was not what it was. it had interesting planned features like war-room and corpse display atrium. issue was how CCP dealt with it and that was pretty much sub-par, and that's saying it mildly at most, because in the end what happened was, they were developing that part of the game for 5 years+, had 1001 things designed for it, and they pretty much thrashed them all in the last 6 months, killed the hangar and went back in their word of "you only use it if you want to" since we either loaded up the CQ, or we faced a jpeg of the door, and in the end of all that fanfare, all that boasting and all that "AWESOME STUFF IS AWESOME" and "1000$ pants" speech, together with the leaks that happened right after incarnafail, we all had a single, dirty, somewhat untidy room.
a single room with a microtransaction store for vanity items that nobody would seen besides us, was all that they had to show after nearly half a decade of development. a development where they had to stop develpmnent on everything that was not related to CQ for 18 months.
were we angry? oh yes we were. froth-inducing rage it was because we were promissed something functional and in the end we got vanity and hot air.
so you see, WiS had interesting concepts, but due to how CCP implemented it, it got so much bad press that it went from the "next big thing" to CCP's horrible, horrible past that nobody wants to talk about. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:13:00 -
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Really the whole idea behind it is if the assets are still there. Just let the players take control over it like every other aspect of eve that we control. They don't need to script anything for us we do that well enough in game our self's. Yes i know some of you want it some dont some want it to die in a fire. I perfectly respect your opinions on that. Like i said if the assets are already there but just not being used do to lack of NPC etc. Pay the avatar team or a few programmers to at least make it accessible to us to allow us to wis our own stations with our own eco system. Provided they already using assets they spent the money on already developed cause the last pictures i saw of it and footage they had the inside of the stations just not populated. If this has changed then by all means just drop it tell its ready. Just saying if they never removed the assets and its just the door that's locked open it to the community to do with what it seems like they cant do with it.
from the size of the install im going to bet that the assets are still on everyone's hdd. The thing that gets me is if you watch alot of CCP eve lore read the books and watch there videos alot of stuff happens planet side or station side. But alas were still stuck forever more in our ships which is ok But they seem to market eve as a simulation and or a Sandbox sometimes both depending on what there trying to show. I would just like to see them finish an expansion (Technically there patches but still.)
IF the assets are there a team could finish off giving people the ability to run there own shops bars communication rooms or whatever a corp / allience would need in a reasonable amount of time with minimal cost largely do to the fact they spent so much time building it already.)
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
4
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:15:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:issue here was not what it was. it had interesting planned features like war-room and corpse display atrium. issue was how CCP dealt with it and that was pretty much sub-par, and that's saying it mildly at most, because in the end what happened was, they were developing that part of the game for 5 years+, had 1001 things designed for it, and they pretty much thrashed them all in the last 6 months, killed the hangar and went back in their word of "you only use it if you want to" since we either loaded up the CQ, or we faced a jpeg of the door, and in the end of all that fanfare, all that boasting and all that "AWESOME STUFF IS AWESOME" and "1000$ pants" speech, together with the leaks that happened right after incarnafail, we all had a single, dirty, somewhat untidy room.
a single room with a microtransaction store for vanity items that nobody would seen besides us, was all that they had to show after nearly half a decade of development. a development where they had to stop develpmnent on everything that was not related to CQ for 18 months.
were we angry? oh yes we were. froth-inducing rage it was because we were promissed something functional and in the end we got vanity and hot air.
so you see, WiS had interesting concepts, but due to how CCP implemented it, it got so much bad press that it went from the "next big thing" to CCP's horrible, horrible past that nobody wants to talk about.
unforgettably i do remember that. and i give u that one . |

Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:40:00 -
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Jadzia Idaris Devereaux wrote:Normally i would not even write this (prob shouldnt)
Even if you dont know what to do with wis open the door's let players rent offices etc like we do now but in avatar form let there be a intergalactic market. With streaming prices etc Let people alliances corps open there own shops and let us run it... You dont need to do anything or worry about makeing content for it sense eve is a sandbox why not let us run it? Someone wants to log in for 8 hours a day and run a space bar so be it..... It would be cool if you went to apply to the corp and had to (if you wanted to) sense you can turn off wis. Be able to go to a corps office and apply in person in a sense. So on so forth or browse the market and watch your ship get pulled into doc. Or sit at the Quaffe cafe and Emote stab face to enemies u podded earler.
Thanks in advance.
If you agree or disagree feel free to leave a comment or flame me .... WiS has one big hurdle to get over...
The amount of stations and the amount of players in those stations.
For WiS to make sense, i.e. with player interaction a.k.a. game play and socialising, certain thresholds will have to be met, otherwise its a ghost station or Jita where you get lagged out as the extra two hardened nodes can not handle the thousand plus people in it doing disreputable things to each other.
That was always the issue with WiS on such a grand scale, too many stations with too few people or the exact opposite.
So WiS would have to be limited to certain stations, maybe new social/trade/pod pilot/freelancer owned outside of the corp standing mechanic or sec status related in high and If CCP can come up with a modular POS design (self assembly stations along T3 construction lines, maybe look at some current modular (mainly matari) station builds for inspiration) they could introduce a player owned instance as well in keeping with the eve design ethic, that would be a boon to low and null sec morale and possibly provide a tie in / interaction on a corp level of dust and eve characters in avatar form, truly bringing both together.
But that is adding to the depth and breath of game play, not altering existing to the lowest denominator and throwing shiny, shiny at the screen where they think they get the best short term return.
yeah, i-¦m a cynic, but that-¦s experience |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2790
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:55:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Corp meeting rooms, station atriums, and possibly a poker room would be nice,,,
An arcade perhaps - maybe with EVR - side games for those days when it seems like half the fleet is AFK changing diapers or something.
Complete with a jukebox.... oh wait.
Eve radio on the intercom perhaps. Add a nice touch maybe.
Still, there's a certain mindset around here that lives in fear of the game developing in any direction that has nothing to do with ganking miners, so they'll howl the loudest at any suggestion.
(Too bad they have made everybody hate them so much on the forums we now have no insurance for getting concorded, criminal flags, abandoning wrecks, etc)
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1458
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:04:00 -
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I love and hate these threads.
First, I love them because I want Avatar based iteration, and these threads popping up and quickly becoming threadnaughts show that the playerbase wants it. It's always someone new asking for it, and there are always new people in here vouching for it.
I hate these threads because there is no logic in the arguments in them. The pro WiS people start asking for content that no one can get behind, and most of them don't understand that releasing more small empty rooms is a complete waste of time. And the anti-WiS crowd feed on these people like vultures. It's easy to pick their ideas apart. The fact of the matter is that CCP have prototyped a model for CONTENT in WiS that involved wreck diving, PvE, exploration, PvP, puzzles and integrated functionality with the rest of the Eve universe. It covers everyone's needs. Even the anti-WiS guys can't argue with it. But the pro guys aren't supporting it... they want more empty rooms.
Don't get me wrong. One day, I want to have corp quarters one day where I can sit my character down after a roam and chat and laugh with corp mates... I am only going to dock up and do it over TS3 anyway. It would be nice to put down a few bets and play some of that risk style game for ISK whilst we chat. But, the first step has to be meaningful content first.
If you want WiS, then support the exploration prototype. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511 "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Elizabeth Brown
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:11:00 -
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i dont think anyone doubts that a large part of the playerbase wants wis. ccp just needs to pull their finger out and do it. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
670
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:23:00 -
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No thanks. R Tape loading error |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
836
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:24:00 -
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Elizabeth Brown wrote:i dont think anyone doubts that a large part of the playerbase wants wis. ccp just needs to pull their finger out and do it. it's not like that. it's more because people are scared of what they would do about it if they tried it again after all that failiure.
in all honesty, CCP should wait a bit longer, do a rain check probs by 2015, and then think about it.
still too soon to do it otherwise. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Xervish Krin
Shiva Furnace
50
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:25:00 -
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Problem is we're throwing the baby out with he bathwater. WIS could have had interesting gameplay and content. They messed up and it didn't, and now these forums start frothing at the mouth at the very mention of it because they can't separate the Incarna failure from the concept of walking outside your ship.
I swear people seem to follow 'Eve is about spaceships' like it's some kind of fundamental religion. Eve is about people cooperating or competing with each other. There's no reason that can't take place outside a ship. Hell, all the scamming and espionage we love so much basically takes place outside of a ship, it takes place on TS and forums and chat and whatever.
CCP REMOVE SCAMMING PLEASE EVE SHOULD BE ABOUT SPACESHIPS ONLY THX. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
836
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:37:00 -
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Xervish Krin wrote:I swear people seem to follow 'Eve is about spaceships' like it's some kind of fundamental religion. Eve is about people cooperating or competing with each other. There's no reason that can't take place outside a ship.
both sides of the fence are right on this. above I said that CCP decided to simply remove the hangar as it was and force CQ on everyone's throats. that was even after people went on and on and on that the content should be optional, a stance that CCP itself said it was what it would be when they put forth WiS.
CCP went back on that, pissed on everyone instead, so it is with reason that people get their panties in a buch when they hear about it. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1749
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:i get it some people think that it's eminently urgent that CCP finish up WiS content so that you can /dance with your friends in a station but they seem to have priorities re: the actual game
soz
No, my goonie, no. Their priorites are developing and releasing two avatar-based videogames while they feed EVE with regurgigated spaceship content.  The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
2713
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:13:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Why bother? It's dead and CCP currently has no plan to resurrect it in the foreseeable future. they didn't scrap it. just on hold check your facts bro  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7906
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:13:00 -
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Xervish Krin wrote:Problem is we're throwing the baby out with he bathwater. WIS could have had interesting gameplay and content. They messed up and it didn't, and now these forums start frothing at the mouth at the very mention of it because they can't separate the Incarna failure from the concept of walking outside your ship.
I swear people seem to follow 'Eve is about spaceships' like it's some kind of fundamental religion. Eve is about people cooperating or competing with each other. There's no reason that can't take place outside a ship. Hell, all the scamming and espionage we love so much basically takes place outside of a ship, it takes place on TS and forums and chat and whatever.
CCP REMOVE SCAMMING PLEASE EVE SHOULD BE ABOUT SPACESHIPS ONLY THX.
Please, please enlighten us with what are clearly massive gameplay opportunities opened by shoehorning some cheap clone of Second Life into EVE! mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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mr roadkill
Jazz Associates Azgoths of Kria
10
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:18:00 -
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I would like to see WIS players used in taking stations not some ps3 dudes on dust. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7906
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:21:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:No, my goonie, no. Their priorites are developing and releasing two avatar-based videogames while they feed EVE with regurgigated spaceship content. 
Right, the merger with White Wolf didn't mean that the guys keeping their dying vampire franchise on life support were going to drop that and work on spaceships. mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1749
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:32:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I love and hate these threads. First, I love them because I want Avatar based iteration, and these threads popping up and quickly becoming threadnaughts show that the playerbase wants it. It's always someone new asking for it, and there are always new people in here vouching for it. I hate these threads because there is no logic in the arguments in them. The pro WiS people start asking for content that no one can get behind, and most of them don't understand that releasing more small empty rooms is a complete waste of time. And the anti-WiS crowd feed on these people like vultures. It's easy to pick their ideas apart. The fact of the matter is that CCP have prototyped a model for CONTENT in WiS that involved wreck diving, PvE, exploration, PvP, puzzles and integrated functionality with the rest of the Eve universe. It covers everyone's needs. Even the anti-WiS guys can't argue with it. But the pro guys aren't supporting it... they want more empty rooms. Don't get me wrong. One day, I want to have corp quarters where I can sit my character down after a roam and chat and laugh with corp mates... I am only going to dock up and do it over TS3 anyway. It would be nice to put down a few bets and play some of that risk style game for ISK whilst we chat. But, the first step has to be meaningful content first. If you want WiS, then support the exploration prototype. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511
Well, it is not surprising (should not be) that there is a split between CCP and players about WiS gameplay.
I can't remember -because it didn't happened- that CCP Bayesian and Team Avatar asked the players what kind of gameplay would they like to get for WiS.
Actually the fact that Team Avatar was prototyping WiS gameplay came out as a surprise, as by all accounts, the dungeon raiding prototype was developed without the players.
So, why should I support a prototype I don't like which was made behind my back without any feedback, and is being handed as the only scarce hope to as much as use my humanoid avatars?
What if i wanted to replay the Chronicles, or create my own?
What if I just wanted a glorified chat?
What if I just had enough to have a cool sci-fi looking avatar?
Nobody asked me, nor us. Frankly, i don't know what people thinks of the Prototype or what do they want for avatar gameplay. What I do know is what drives people to open this threads: they wish to use the avatars to interact other players in ways that ships don't allow.
With ship exploration being revamped, avatar epxloration becomes less than unasked for, it becomes redundant. More of the same for a feature that doesn't even exists.
So what's next? Prototype other gameplay and maybe check with the players before doing it? Or just be honest for once in their cheatful lives and say that EVE is only about spaceships and that will never change? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |

Ai Shun
941
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:34:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:If perhaps people (and yes well aware some have, very few though) gave idea as to what content it could add to the game, people and perhaps ccp would possibly be less reluctant to look at it.
Here you go. Moreover, it even has an idea / concept on how to fund it and get it to market.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
1749
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:No, my goonie, no. Their priorites are developing and releasing two avatar-based videogames while they feed EVE with regurgigated spaceship content.  Right, the merger with White Wolf didn't mean that the guys keeping their dying vampire franchise on life support were going to drop that and work on spaceships.
Exactly. Avatars are coming, just not to EVE. Which feels sweet when we're paying CCP, amongst other things -or mainly-, because of avatars. 
This is why it would be nice that they made themselves clear. "No cake for you" and so good bye and give your money to somebody else. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
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