It's worthless trash that doesn't add anything to the game.

I only stayed playing eve online this time becuase of captian's quarters like I have said on other threads about walking in stations, and I'm sure many more people would join and stay if walking in stations was released. Just hoping the devs see at least one of my posts eventually to know that while I'm only one person, I'm sure many others feel the same way. Other day when I got a friend to try the game they asked if we could walk around in the station and see each other while docked. Obviously the solution wouldn't be to release WiS all at once, just in segements across expansions as to not anger the rest of the community that wants more and more space content.

WiS already had alot of work done on it, the youtube vid is one of three on WiS from one of the fanfests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBBsCj1lFOk

But what will it actually bring to the game other than a "sims" feel. Why do you need to go sit in you captains quarters with a load of your corp members and have fake beer (or whatever youre gonna do) when all youre gonna be doing is chatting in the channel or on a voice server same as what youre doing now. No ones actually saying why they really want it. Youre just giving the same remarks as everyone else. Which is "we want wis coz it gives us something to do other than spin ships"... If perhaps people (and yes well aware some have, very few though) gave idea as to what content it could add to the game, people and perhaps ccp would possibly be less reluctant to look at it.

So far ill ive read in a nutshell is "We want wis because were bored of eve and theres nothing to do. So give us this sim style gameplay that after a month of we will be bored of also"....so you can guarantee some ccp have read that too...

CCP started it.They've let the cat out of the bag now and it isn't going back in. Would be nice or hear some official word on whether its happening or otherwise just delete the cq instead of leaving people hanging.

CCP started it.They've let the cat out of the bag now and it isn't going back in. Would be nice or hear some official word on whether its happening or otherwise just delete the cq instead of leaving people hanging.

You'll forgive us if we don't take your opinion seriously...but I assure you it has nothing to do with your name being Dub Step.

I don't take your opinion seriously because you are trying to support a feature that nearly cost CCP a considerable amount of their player-base. If you didn't realise, Hillmar was all 'smug' about the rage and threats to unsub until he realised that it was ACTUALLY HAPPENING. Then they sensibly pulled the plug on this useless development.

From my understandng i could be wrong unless they removed all the assets all the station enviroments are still there there is just no npc's So why not just open the door and give it permissions like everytihng else in game and let us work with it they wouildnt have to do much more work other then assigning permissions and mb a little work on a internal intersteller market....

I don't think it's there, nothing is. They had those things at some point, but they were abandoned because they were crap. That is also why they had almost nothing to offer us when incarna initially released. Even if they had them CCP would never release the feature a second time in such an unfinished state. What will propably happen is nothing until CCP decides on a clear plan for the feature and is willing to dedicate the resources necessary to properly implement that plan. Until that time comes the character creator is the only avatar related thing, that might get actual development.

I only stayed playing eve online this time becuase of captian's quarters

I am paying for unicorns to shoot rainbows up my butt every time i log in, so CCP should be working on that.

I don't think it's there, nothing is. They had those things at some point, but they were abandoned because they were crap. That is also why they had almost nothing to offer us when incarna initially released. Even if they had them CCP would never release the feature a second time in such an unfinished state. What will propably happen is nothing until CCP decides on a clear plan for the feature and is willing to dedicate the resources necessary to properly implement that plan. Until that time comes the character creator is the only avatar related thing, that might get actual development.

Normally i would not even write this (prob shouldnt)

Even if you dont know what to do with wis open the door's let players rent offices etc like we do now but in avatar form let there be a intergalactic market. With streaming prices etc Let people alliances corps open there own shops and let us run it... You dont need to do anything or worry about makeing content for it sense eve is a sandbox why not let us run it? Someone wants to log in for 8 hours a day and run a space bar so be it.....
It would be cool if you went to apply to the corp and had to (if you wanted to) sense you can turn off wis. Be able to go to a corps office and apply in person in a sense. So on so forth or browse the market and watch your ship get pulled into doc. Or sit at the Quaffe cafe and Emote stab face to enemies u podded earler.

Thanks in advance.

If you agree or disagree feel free to leave a comment or flame me ....

issue here was not what it was. it had interesting planned features like war-room and corpse display atrium. issue was how CCP dealt with it and that was pretty much sub-par, and that's saying it mildly at most, because in the end what happened was, they were developing that part of the game for 5 years+, had 1001 things designed for it, and they pretty much thrashed them all in the last 6 months, killed the hangar and went back in their word of "you only use it if you want to" since we either loaded up the CQ, or we faced a jpeg of the door, and in the end of all that fanfare, all that boasting and all that "AWESOME STUFF IS AWESOME" and "1000$ pants" speech, together with the leaks that happened right after incarnafail, we all had a single, dirty, somewhat untidy room.

a single room with a microtransaction store for vanity items that nobody would seen besides us, was all that they had to show after nearly half a decade of development.
a development where they had to stop develpmnent on everything that was not related to CQ for 18 months.


were we angry? oh yes we were. froth-inducing rage it was because we were promissed something functional and in the end we got vanity and hot air.


so you see, WiS had interesting concepts, but due to how CCP implemented it, it got so much bad press that it went from the "next big thing" to CCP's horrible, horrible past that nobody wants to talk about.

Normally i would not even write this (prob shouldnt)

Even if you dont know what to do with wis open the door's let players rent offices etc like we do now but in avatar form let there be a intergalactic market. With streaming prices etc Let people alliances corps open there own shops and let us run it... You dont need to do anything or worry about makeing content for it sense eve is a sandbox why not let us run it? Someone wants to log in for 8 hours a day and run a space bar so be it.....
It would be cool if you went to apply to the corp and had to (if you wanted to) sense you can turn off wis. Be able to go to a corps office and apply in person in a sense. So on so forth or browse the market and watch your ship get pulled into doc. Or sit at the Quaffe cafe and Emote stab face to enemies u podded earler.

Thanks in advance.

If you agree or disagree feel free to leave a comment or flame me ....

Corp meeting rooms, station atriums, and possibly a poker room would be nice,,,

i dont think anyone doubts that a large part of the playerbase wants wis. ccp just needs to pull their finger out and do it.

I swear people seem to follow 'Eve is about spaceships' like it's some kind of fundamental religion. Eve is about people cooperating or competing with each other. There's no reason that can't take place outside a ship.

i get it some people think that it's eminently urgent that CCP finish up WiS content so that you can /dance with your friends in a station but they seem to have priorities re: the actual game

soz

Why bother? It's dead and CCP currently has no plan to resurrect it in the foreseeable future.

Problem is we're throwing the baby out with he bathwater. WIS could have had interesting gameplay and content. They messed up and it didn't, and now these forums start frothing at the mouth at the very mention of it because they can't separate the Incarna failure from the concept of walking outside your ship.

I swear people seem to follow 'Eve is about spaceships' like it's some kind of fundamental religion. Eve is about people cooperating or competing with each other. There's no reason that can't take place outside a ship. Hell, all the scamming and espionage we love so much basically takes place outside of a ship, it takes place on TS and forums and chat and whatever.

CCP REMOVE SCAMMING PLEASE EVE SHOULD BE ABOUT SPACESHIPS ONLY THX.

No, my goonie, no. Their priorites are developing and releasing two avatar-based videogames while they feed EVE with regurgigated spaceship content.

I love and hate these threads.

First, I love them because I want Avatar based iteration, and these threads popping up and quickly becoming threadnaughts show that the playerbase wants it. It's always someone new asking for it, and there are always new people in here vouching for it.

I hate these threads because there is no logic in the arguments in them. The pro WiS people start asking for content that no one can get behind, and most of them don't understand that releasing more small empty rooms is a complete waste of time. And the anti-WiS crowd feed on these people like vultures. It's easy to pick their ideas apart. The fact of the matter is that CCP have prototyped a model for CONTENT in WiS that involved wreck diving, PvE, exploration, PvP, puzzles and integrated functionality with the rest of the Eve universe. It covers everyone's needs. Even the anti-WiS guys can't argue with it. But the pro guys aren't supporting it... they want more empty rooms.

Don't get me wrong. One day, I want to have corp quarters where I can sit my character down after a roam and chat and laugh with corp mates... I am only going to dock up and do it over TS3 anyway. It would be nice to put down a few bets and play some of that risk style game for ISK whilst we chat. But, the first step has to be meaningful content first.

If you want WiS, then support the exploration prototype. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511

If perhaps people (and yes well aware some have, very few though) gave idea as to what content it could add to the game, people and perhaps ccp would possibly be less reluctant to look at it.

Right, the merger with White Wolf didn't mean that the guys keeping their dying vampire franchise on life support were going to drop that and work on spaceships.

Hate to say it but most FiS expansions have absolutely no content whatsoever. I just came back after a couple of years and it's still the same damn game.

CCP's idea of content is to re-balance existing stuff and beat their artists until every old ship is V3'd.

I couldn't care less about the FiS expansions at this point. At least with the one room of doom that was Incarna, it was actually something new in the game.

Hate to say it but most FiS expansions have absolutely no content whatsoever. I just came back after a couple of years and it's still the same damn game.

CCP's idea of content is to re-balance existing stuff and beat their artists until every old ship is V3'd.

I couldn't care less about the FiS expansions at this point. At least with the one room of doom that was Incarna, it was actually something new in the game.

I find it interesting that most people dont seem to mind Dust514. It is now part of EVE and you see them around. There are no cries of "wasted rescources" nor monument shooting or mass protests or unsubs. Perhaps this is new and best way to add WiS into EVE online. Create new product that people can merge with EVE and have full experience of EVE in avatar form. From missions to exploration to interraction/trade to criminal activity. Sounds quite exciting, perhaps planet landing and building your own "hub" which others can scout and blow it up if you dont protect it. Basicly, like Dust514, it would be there, linked into game but wouldnt much interfere with normal EVE for those who wish to play ol' trusty EVE online.

It could be interesting if there was a combat element to it. For instance war targets that won't undock, you could go in mob handed and start chucking them out of an airlock.

Beyond that it doesn't seem to have much point or meaning IMO

I find it interesting that most people dont seem to mind Dust514. It is now part of EVE and you see them around. There are no cries of "wasted rescources" nor monument shooting or mass protests or unsubs. Perhaps this is new and best way to add WiS into EVE online. Create new product that people can merge with EVE and have full experience of EVE in avatar form. From missions to exploration to interraction/trade to criminal activity. Sounds quite exciting, perhaps planet landing and building your own "hub" which others can scout and blow it up if you dont protect it. Basicly, like Dust514, it would be there, linked into game but wouldnt much interfere with normal EVE for those who wish to play ol' trusty EVE online.

[quote=Dyvim Slorm]Though I agre with the other guys who think it'll either never happen, of we'll have to wait 5-10 more years for another step. As I was watching the FanFest coverage, I got a distinct impression that every time someone from CCP even mentioned Incarna or Ambulation, they wanted to cross themselves and spit over their shoulder and murmur "never again". Not a good sign.

People need to stop making comparisons with second life for the walking in stations content. Saying that WiS would be like second life (a game with more subs and a faster expanding player base) is not helping your argument. If I could fly spaceships, scam people, build hostile empires with the beautiful graphics eve has on second life, then I would be playing second life.

Because, clearly, shoehorning some cheap clone of Second Life into EVE is going to make this game /so/ much better and contribute so much in terms of possibilities for emergent gameplay. You could, uh, block a passageway!

Because, clearly, shoehorning some cheap clone of Second Life into EVE is going to make this game /so/ much better and contribute so much in terms of possibilities for emergent gameplay. You could, uh, block a passageway!

Besides, (although this is borderline heretical) second life probably has more emergent game play than Eve could ever hope to have.

Take note of the "cheap clone" part

Here you go. Moreover, it even has an idea / concept on how to fund it and get it to market.

But what will it actually bring to the game other than a "sims" feel.

If you want to play a game like that then try the Sims or second life or some other piece or crap like that. Player owned bars in stations is about the last thing we need.

scrapped the vampire franchise (that **** is 10 years too late, vampires aren't hot anymore)

Hey CCP, if you don't plan to work on WiS, why don't you stop putting it your trailers? Just a spaceships and a voice over the video. Just be honest. So there won't be any players that want something from you what you can't deliver.

a, capsuleers must die to transfer themselves into pod clones (FALSE)

Actually, this isn't true. If you read the officially sanctioned books you would know that in order to become a capsuleer your original human self must die. (..)

Hey CCP, if you don't plan to work on WiS, why don't you stop putting it your trailers? Just a spaceships and a voice over the video. Just be honest. So there won't be any players that want something from you what you can't deliver.

CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this.

CCP, why not just crowd fund the WiS? then you can hire a whole new team to do this with out having to reallocate resources and personnel. I think you'd be very surprised by how many would support this.

Go play second life or some themepark mmo-rpg. In sandbox mmo-rpg's games, players are the content. What EvE Online needs is constant iteration and improvements on existing system.

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Whilst I entirely appreciate the sentiment, the new stuff they have released aren't anything new. They have been done for a long time, but simply abandoned. You are right though. Why bother releasing it at all into a system they have said is completely on hold? It does seem incredibly hypocritical. Unless that means they actually want to start doing something with it. I bloody hope so.