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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.18 06:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Paw Sandberg
honestly irt would not be so bad if
a. there was a point/reason
b. my damn clone did not cost 17 MILL now (I dont use implants anymore for this reason)
C. if they did it because they got something out of killing me in a hauller outnumbering me either 2 BS to a EMPTY hauller (last week when I got podded) or like today 1 HAC,1 HAF and 1 BS against my EMPTY hauller
Yes, because gate campers are psychic. They know there's nothing in your cargo hold. They can just tell.
And, what? Because YOU got your stupid ass ganked suddenly gate camping is on the rise? Do you have any figures to back this up? Anything at all? Or are you depending entirely on your narrow and biased view to make such sweaping generalisations of the game world?
And gate campers don't do it for the fun, or for fair fights, you dumbasses. They do it to make money, FFS! How ******* self-obsessed are you people, thinking that pirates just go around ****ing on your day because they have something personal against you. THEY DON'T CARE! IT'S FOR ISK! Do you really think they give a flying if it was a fair and equitable fight? NO! They're counting the ISK they just TOOK from you!
*gets dragged off the forum by mods*
Hey, you can't silence me! I'm speaking the truth! The truuuuuuuuuuuth!
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.10.18 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Yes, because gate campers are psychic. They know there's nothing in your cargo hold. They can just tell.
And, what? Because YOU got your stupid ass ganked suddenly gate camping is on the rise? Do you have any figures to back this up? Anything at all? Or are you depending entirely on your narrow and biased view to make such sweaping generalisations of the game world?
And gate campers don't do it for the fun, or for fair fights, you dumbasses. They do it to make money, FFS! How ******* self-obsessed are you people, thinking that pirates just go around ****ing on your day because they have something personal against you. THEY DON'T CARE! IT'S FOR ISK! Do you really think they give a flying if it was a fair and equitable fight? NO! They're counting the ISK they just TOOK from you!
*gets dragged off the forum by mods*
Hey, you can't silence me! I'm speaking the truth! The truuuuuuuuuuuth!
You just cant argue his point.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.18 07:51:00 -
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Sure you can WATCH ME!
Do you have any figures to BACK up what you're saying? Do you dumbass? Anything at all? Because not ALL people are just doing it for the isk. Some just gank because they think corpses mean something now. They want the cool killboard points. You're prob going to deny my statement but hey I don't care. You prob spit on your keyboard when you get ****ed at carebears.
I feel this cycle will continue.
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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N00byn00blar
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Posted - 2005.10.18 08:40:00 -
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It's the kill-board points, trust me. Probably 10% of "pirates" are doing it for the ISK. Lets face it, if you want ISK and like blowing stuff up there are lots of other ways in Eve of doing so.
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The Red
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Posted - 2005.10.18 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: The Red on 18/10/2005 08:42:42
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Ultim8Evil
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Posted - 2005.10.18 08:50:00 -
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I may be missing the point, but considering all the possible career paths and things to do within the EVE Universe, I would find sitting at a gate all night shooting at people a bit boring. Someone warps in, you shoot, they die. Someone warps in, you shoot, they die. *yawn*
L4 Gang Missions, Corp wars, fleet battles, massive scale production corps etc. All these options are open and, to me, are more interesting than camping.
But hey, it's your subscription :)
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Kcid
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Posted - 2005.10.18 09:21:00 -
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killing stuff is fun. nuff said. |
Mishwasha
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Posted - 2005.10.18 09:50:00 -
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I will never personally understand it, but there are an alarming number of people out there who never seem to grow tired of the 'burning ants with a magnifying glass' situation. I'm sure there's a dozen phycological reasons that could be listed off, but I won't do that here.
So long as it's possible for someone to win something with zero or near-zero effort that negatively affects something else that is or was alive they WILL do it endlessly even if it means no real gains on their part.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.18 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mishwasha
I will never personally understand it, but there are an alarming number of people out there who never seem to grow tired of the 'burning ants with a magnifying glass' situation. I'm sure there's a dozen phycological reasons that could be listed off, but I won't do that here.
So long as it's possible for someone to win something with zero or near-zero effort that negatively affects something else that is or was alive they WILL do it endlessly even if it means no real gains on their part.
I'd be surprised if you could list off a dozen "psychological" reasons. You seem hard pressed to spell the word correctly.
Your angle has merit though. Perhaps I should haul in lowsec during the day when all the gate campers are out in the sun with their magnifying glasses.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.18 11:05:00 -
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Camping sucks, it's boring and one sided.
I hope CCP finds a more robust way to deal with PvP at some point in the future...
Having a single game mechanic tactic account for 90% of the PvP in a game is far from a robust system...
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.10.18 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
honestly irt would not be so bad if
a. there was a point/reason
b. my damn clone did not cost 17 MILL now (I dont use implants anymore for this reason)
C. if they did it because they got something out of killing me in a hauller outnumbering me either 2 BS to a EMPTY hauller (last week when I got podded) or like today 1 HAC,1 HAF and 1 BS against my EMPTY hauller
I'd shoot your empty hauler any day, all day long,
you can thank your posts for that :D
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Kamikazi BOB
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Posted - 2005.10.18 11:12:00 -
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Beh, a few days ago i lost an iti while having to navigate a single 0.4 between 2 hi sec systems... luckily for me i partially listened to my subconsious and removed my named expanders and the named Overdrives i was carrying just before i jumped into the system.
I still managed to get away from the warp in point, but they got me at the 2nd gate, well 'got me' isn't really describing it, they didn't scan me, didn't ransom me, they used a passive targetter and i was floating in my pod before i realized what happened, strangely enough they could have easily podded me too but they didn't.
They got 3 basic mods and that was it... had they ransommed me i would have gladly paid 3 mill (a lot more then ship+mods was worth) or even double that amount if they would have given me safe passage on the return route as well.
Hehe, it would be like real pirates sinking the ship and then salvaging what floats back to the surface.
beh, they probably just do it to get higher on their precious killboards, the *insert insulting words here* 
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Pawny
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Posted - 2005.10.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pawny on 18/10/2005 12:00:49
I saw on another thread an interesting post (sorry i can't remeber who made it and am to lazy to search for it ) about the "stop sentry fire" button by the person being attacked, if thie feature would be introduced pirates could easely ransom ppl if the person being targeted is not afk (which is a moronic thing in low sec), this coupled with the random patrols (in low sec) from concord would make the mindless ganking just an alternative not the common practice that it si now.
IMHO
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Arnt
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Posted - 2005.10.18 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
I dont have a solution I hope some of you do
Yup, I Do. And not a carebearish one.
However long post are not readen, and if you try to have any kind of precision it becomes too complex for the average reader, who then just gives up. Also, forum readers categorize everything in "good" or "bad", and as absolutly nothing will ever please everyone, all and everything is always considered as "bad" at some point. Finally, complex matters require teamwork, and in a game forum it's not going to happen anytime soon.
For those issues, no solution exist 
So I'll just enjoy the show of the pro and anti camping flamming themselves to oblivion, and let you all swim in your own ****.
Have a nice day :)
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.10.18 14:13:00 -
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The solution is simple enough to stop Pk'ers and gate campers.
Make the penalties for equiping more then one type of item more severe.
Example one item 100% effective, two items 75% effective...etc...etc
Of course this wont happen. But its a solution.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2005.10.18 14:35:00 -
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and ppl wonder why majority of the ppl aint moving to low sec 
enough money to be made in empire for us carebears not to need to mine some traces of zy 
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Rendill
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:31:00 -
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300km range for gate guns.
Make the snipers tank. This means they can (will) come in close, and all factors come into play such as jamming, tracking etc etc.
Also will encourage pirates to either hunt the belts or go to 0.0.
Also make it possible to hunt pirates, by having no sec loss for peeps with lower sec rating than you (and less than 0 obviously).
ATM low sec is easier for pirates than 0.0.
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Joe
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:39:00 -
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Nobodys explained what a 'needless Gank' is yet.
I mean, do people fly around 0.0 and think 'I'll be safe...nobody needs to gank me...'
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rendill
Also make it possible to hunt pirates, by having no sec loss for peeps with lower sec rating than you (and less than 0 obviously).
I as a spare time terrorist would love this! There are a lot noobs who try to shoot ppl in high sec and get a sec hit for not knowing what they do. I would hunt them all night and day! :D
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.10.18 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Nobodys explained what a 'needless Gank' is yet.
What's about: "A act of violence against a player ship that entered a so called low sec system after ignoring a warning." ?
Btw. for the whole discussion see my sig and reconsider if you play the right game.
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:04:00 -
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working as intended. stop complaining start doing it.
or make an alt and start suicide bombing in high security, thats where their alts are.
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Tezzra
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:13:00 -
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low sec... who needs it?
i hear a lot of talk about ccp wanting us to move from high to low sec space, but i ask you; why should we?
just to be more cannon fodder for those in low sec?
i think not.
let the gankers and pvpers prey upon themselves till their hearts content and i can get on with enjoying the game above 0.4.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.10.18 16:31:00 -
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I have no problem with those that tank the sentries. To tank the sentries, lock decently fast and eventualy scramble, that leaves your ship very very vulnerable if one more jumps in. You put yourself at risk so you damn well deserve my cargo.
But when a battleship instalocks my shuttle/interceptor then insta pops it and if I lag just a little tiny bit, my pod too , this just looks wrong.
And stop this snipers can or can not be killed because it's a stupid argue. For the one getting sniped it makes no damn differences. When you are getting sniped (as in the moment where in happens, not if a sniper is out there) you are getting sniped for ZERO risk.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.18 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Darkenral
Hey nero is it possible for you to post ever w/o being an insulting *****?
Not if you continue to be a dumbass, and don't even bother reading the posts already made before posting.
Originally by: Darkenral
There are so many ways to make ISK in this game w/o griefing other ppl. I suppose that griefing others plays no part in the whole gate camping drama?
From my personal point of view, I don't care if the person I ransom/destroy goes and tops themselves for their loss, or they just whistle and carry on their way. I treat them like NPCs. They are there for me to exploit. They are the fuel of my profession, just as 'roids are the fuel of miners and insta-spawning, personal safespotted NPC battleships are the fuel of the lazy lvl4 mission *****.
If my marks take the effort to implement the myriad ways the game already provides to fight back/avoid me, then good for them. If they don't, and instead choose to whine on these forums, good for me. I will insult these people. They deserve it.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.10.18 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: HUGO DRAX on 18/10/2005 18:13:50
I dont partake in 0.1-0.4 gate camps myself since I would be bored to tears doing so. But stop asking for another CCP nerf. If a specific system is camped by a group of individuals or one person why not set up a posse.
Back in the old west the folks in the neighborhood would round up the whole town, get rifles/guns loaded and walk around with a noose and will hunt down the offender.
If a Camper loses several fitted battleships they will just move on. There are more Players than gankers, why not round up a bunch of guys and enforce the law old western style instead of crying like pansies. Or hire a Merc corp.
Use that huge pile of isk once and a while. have fun hunting down the offender.
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.10.18 18:47:00 -
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Funny story to tell you, and no i will not reveal my "Victim's" name.
So I was minding my own business at my HQ one day, decided to travel down to Rens, didnt wanna be arsed to take the long route, so i tanked my rupture (for those of you unsure of how much a rupture can handle, slap on 3 hardeners and a 1600mm plate) and slapped a MWD on it, headed down.
Reached sisiede, sure enough an apoc came to gank me at the gate. Close range config, his lasers melted my shields right away, but i turned on the hardeners as soon as i saw him, and he didnt even dent my armor. So i just kept traveling to the gate...whatever made it through.
Bought my goods/sold some goods in rens, but this time i decided to bring something along that i thought would be fun =) a warp scrambler. So i headed back to HQ, made SURE i flew through sisiede again, and set AP on. Went to get some coffee, came back just as i was jumping into sisiede. Noone camping, so i warped to the other side, sure enough there was the apoc warping right on top of me...except this time instead of jumping i cheerfully let him target me, then shoot me. I activated my scrambler, orbited him at 500m and fired my 200mm tech 2's at him.
Only took about a minute for him to pop, but i got some good loot ;)
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.10.18 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Frost on 18/10/2005 19:37:31
ROFLMAO
Gate Ganker = Chestpopper = Lame Griefer = Egomaniac
wait, shoot, safespot, wait, shoot, safespot... lather, rinse, and repeat.
no effort, no skill, no thrill... nuff said.
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Benilopax
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Posted - 2005.10.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: charlieb
Stealth ship + a friend bringing firepower = death to long range gate campers. Think about it. 2 guys can get plenty of kills using this tactic. My corp has proven it many times.
And the sniper warps out and logs as soon as he sees stealth ships on his scanner. Then comes back later!
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Edited by: Lord Frost on 18/10/2005 19:37:31
ROFLMAO
Gate Ganker = Chestpopper = Lame Griefer = Egomaniac
wait, shoot, safespot, wait, shoot, safespot... lather, rinse, and repeat.
no effort, no skill, no thrill... nuff said.
I'd insult you but by the time I finish posting this you'll have probably managed to choke on air, so it'd be a waste of time.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.18 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: charlieb
Stealth ship + a friend bringing firepower = death to long range gate campers. Think about it. 2 guys can get plenty of kills using this tactic. My corp has proven it many times.
And the sniper warps out and logs as soon as he sees stealth ships on his scanner. Then comes back later!
And... how do you see a STEALTH ship on scanner?
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