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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.10.19 10:50:00 -
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If you had to put a number on how much better this new hardware upgrade, would be what would it be?
Like if the current hardware is a 5/10
what would the new hardware be?6/10,7/10/10/10 ect....
off the chart better?
is it like going from a 500mhz amd to a 3500+ amd?
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2005.10.19 10:51:00 -
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*extends arms*
this much
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.10.19 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: voodoo on 19/10/2005 10:56:00
My real question was how much bigger is this hampster?
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Fornost
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Posted - 2005.10.19 11:20:00 -
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Gozilla sized.
Hamzilla.
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rig0r
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Posted - 2005.10.19 11:21:00 -
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1.5 pie.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2005.10.19 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 19/10/2005 11:26:51
I dont think it will have any major impact on performance really... but lets wait and see
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Sable Moran
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:04:00 -
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I somewhat agree with LWMaverick.
The new solid state disks will make a really big difference to the access times compared to traditional harddrives but throughput won't increase as much. And the bandwidth will stay the same so if that is allready saturated or nearly so we won't see much of an increase in performance.
But any increase we get is good.
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Soul Dancer
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:07:00 -
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i think the issue was allocating more than 2 gig of memory at a time
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:14:00 -
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The new equipment is not a solid state disk--its a massive RAMdisk.
And considering it does 400,000 random IO/s per second it will completely eliminate the disk bottleneck, forever.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
The new equipment is not a solid state disk--its a massive RAMdisk.
And the difference being?? The manufacturer even calls it a solid state disk 
As to how much better it is than spinning disk, well, theoretically "a lot"  How much benefit we actually see depends entirely on what CCP is doing with it...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/10/2005 10:25:39
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/10/2005 10:23:44
Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The new equipment is not a solid state disk--its a massive RAMdisk.
And the difference being?? The manufacturer even calls it a solid state disk
As to how much better it is than spinning disk, well, theoretically "a lot" How much benefit we actually see depends entirely on what CCP is doing with it...
I would think that a flash drive would be considered a solid state disk... not RAM. When you put RAM in your computer, do we call them SOLID STATE DISKS? Don't think so...
Its only solid state in the sense that it has no moving parts. It requires power to store data (unlike flash).
It is still solid state--what I meant is that it was distinct from flash memory and what we usually associate with a solid state drive.
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tomma
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:26:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_disk
The term "SSD" is used for two different kinds of products. The first, SSDs based on fast, volatile memory such as SDRAM, are categorized by extremely fast data access (over 250 times faster than the fastest hard drives in 2004) and are used primarily to accelerate applications that would otherwise be held back by the latency of disk drives.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:27:00 -
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Dont expect it to cure cancer, create world peace and that crap.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I would think that a flash drive would be considered a solid state disk... not RAM. When you put RAM in your computer, do we call them SOLID STATE DISKS? Don't think so...
Meh... I think the more generally acceted definition is "no moving parts" which at least the RAM part of it qualifies under. The backup spinning disk array inegrated into it wouldn't...
And technically RAM is/can be considered a DISK, as the only reason to _have_ RAM in modern PCs is to execute code "fast". Its just a fast form of disk to copy code to from the slower "storage". If disk were fast enough then execute-in-place would be more common and there'd be none of this artificial separation of storage versus execution location
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:32:00 -
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For the parts it affects, it's going to make a big difference. It's going to mean that anything that needs a lot of database accesses (hangars, markets etc) should be a lot faster.
What it won't do is solve all the problems for the overloaded nodes. Don't expect Jita/Rens/etc to get massively better due to the RAMSAN.
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Expert Newbie
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:33:00 -
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The RAM you stick on your computer is a temporary cache and is meant to be used as so. The RAM in one of these solid state disk drives is meant to be used as a hard drive, hence why it's called 'solid state', since there's no moving parts. In the same line of thought, pen drives can also be called solid state drives and sometimes are referred to as so.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:33:00 -
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i think its more to help with hardware performance which might be able to cope with more heavy node activity hence reducing that type of lag. And the database might get a boost as well.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:41:00 -
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so it will help CCP write to their servers quicker handling more data at the same time sounds like it will help lag and heavy used nodes
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2005.10.20 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Expert Newbie
The RAM you stick on your computer is a temporary cache and is meant to be used as so. The RAM in one of these solid state disk drives is meant to be used as a hard drive, hence why it's called 'solid state', since there's no moving parts. In the same line of thought, pen drives can also be called solid state drives and sometimes are referred to as so.
Yup normal (SD/DDR..etc..)RAM cannot store information without powersource.
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Nee'kita
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Posted - 2005.10.20 11:03:00 -
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Oh damn, I hope therese a backup generator to at least make sure those things have juice if the main grid goes down :S Hate to see my character go "Bye bye."
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.10.20 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita
Oh damn, I hope therese a backup generator to at least make sure those things have juice if the main grid goes down :S Hate to see my character go "Bye bye."
The RamSan itself includes a good amount of batteries as well as online backups to included disk storage, plus I would hope that the hosting center CCP uses is using a decent UPS system, generators etc... we're probably pretty safe
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.20 11:10:00 -
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3 words
bye bye lag
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Posted - 2005.10.20 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
For the parts it affects, it's going to make a big difference. It's going to mean that anything that needs a lot of database accesses (hangars, markets etc) should be a lot faster.
What it won't do is solve all the problems for the overloaded nodes. Don't expect Jita/Rens/etc to get massively better due to the RAMSAN.
My money is on this prediction.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2005.10.20 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Nee'kita
Oh damn, I hope therese a backup generator to at least make sure those things have juice if the main grid goes down :S Hate to see my character go "Bye bye."
The RamSan itself includes a good amount of batteries as well as online backups to included disk storage, plus I would hope that the hosting center CCP uses is using a decent UPS system, generators etc... we're probably pretty safe
Well, if my memory serves me correctly (no pun intended), when the entire thing powers down, it holds the last state it was in for several years. So I doubt that you would ever have issues like losing your char.
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Equinox II
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Posted - 2005.10.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: mahhy
The RamSan itself includes a good amount of batteries as well as online backups to included disk storage, plus I would hope that the hosting center CCP uses is using a decent UPS system, generators etc... we're probably pretty safe
Well, if my memory serves me correctly (no pun intended), when the entire thing powers down, it holds the last state it was in for several years. So I doubt that you would ever have issues like losing your char.
Well, what's in the RAM itself will be lost when it powers down, you can't keep things in RAM for several years... However, it got battery backup, and it got a RAID of backup drives which should contain a copy of what's in RAM. When it boots up it probably copies everything from the RAID array into RAM.. and when changes are made to the RAM they are made on the backup RAID too - so you always have a backup on real drives, which will not be lost if the power fails..
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Robert Dobbs
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Posted - 2005.10.20 21:35:00 -
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Well, what's in the RAM itself will be lost when it powers down, you can't keep things in RAM for several years... However, it got battery backup, and it got a RAID of backup drives which should contain a copy of what's in RAM. When it boots up it probably copies everything from the RAID array into RAM.. and when changes are made to the RAM they are made on the backup RAID too - so you always have a backup on real drives, which will not be lost if the power fails..
It's solid state RAM, it will not lose its data if there is no electrical current to hold it in place. It'd be highly impractical to have a device holding that much data which could lose its data so easliy.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.20 21:40:00 -
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Its most likely using NVRAM (non volatile ram) doesnt lose its data when it loses power. Theres many different types of Ram besides the one that exists in your computer.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.10.20 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Aitrus on 20/10/2005 22:19:15
Edited by: Aitrus on 20/10/2005 22:17:20
Originally by: Equinox II
Well, what's in the RAM itself will be lost when it powers down, you can't keep things in RAM for several years... However, it got battery backup, and it got a RAID of backup drives which should contain a copy of what's in RAM. When it boots up it probably copies everything from the RAID array into RAM.. and when changes are made to the RAM they are made on the backup RAID too - so you always have a backup on real drives, which will not be lost if the power fails..
If you're keeping a solid state drive and a RIAD array in sync, then the whole thing can only work as fast as the RAID array. Wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of having the solid state disk?
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2005.10.20 22:21:00 -
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After playing for 30 minutes or so, I would say eve is faster and more responsive... it seems that certain features such as evemail are significantly faster than they used to be.
so... based on very little it sure seems CCP got what they paid for :)
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Liisa
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Posted - 2005.10.20 22:22:00 -
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I would suggest to many of you to actually read what the manufacturer says about their wonderful memory storage units.
There is a link in the news piece which states that all the data in the RAM memory is constantly backuped during operation so that if power is lost around 50-70% of the memory is already backuped on the harddisks. Each unit has a triple UPS (battery) with which the rest of the data in the RAM is then transfered to the harddisks before the unit then powers down.
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