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Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 214	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:44:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, who the hell thought that changing the launcher and nuking all my settings was a good idea, I honestly want to know so I can start a petition to have them fired. Apart from a litany of problems with it mechanically, the damned thing is simply ugly and nothing more than a giant ***** Eve advertisement FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY GIVE MONEY TO CCP. You can't tell me that my settings couldn't be salvaged, that's a bullshit excuse and only somewhat works if you admit you scrapped alot of good developers for rookies who will just do what they're told and churn out factory grade garbage for the executive board. CCP should know by now how anal retentive and detail oriented their player base is, and know how big of a stink even changing the font would cause, much less SCRAPPING MY ENTIRE LIST OF SETTINGS. As if that weren't enough of the problem, the change is completely pointless. It adds nothing to eve but more frustration and homogenizes it to look like every other game. It's even a broken piece of like most other games too, so thanks CCP; my downward spiral of desubbing accounts from a grand total of 9 when Incarna dropped, has now declined to merely 1 account left, and that one is on the way too if you up Odyssey as much as it looks like it will be **. Really, I wanna know what corporate fuckwit keeps coming up with all these bad ideas, whereupon I will find him and kick him in the nuts. "Herp derp 100mn tengus are op, let's nerf heavy missles; oh no we had no idea they would fit arties to nados; we thought people would love CQ, no really!" Come on guys, you aren't even trying to hide the fact that you're milking out this franchise anymore. You've become that politician getting blowjobs in public because he knows he won't get in trouble for it so you don't care who knows. If you're going to ** with me and my Eve, at least have the decency to come up with a convincing lie first, instead of "we're changing bs hitpoints because we like round numbers."
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:46:00 - [2] - Quote Glafri wrote: I've resorted to bypassing the launcher till you guys go back to the drawing board and fix this. Why do you need to add more hoops to jump through to get online? Don't you know you're just a trained money pinata? How dare you suggest that the new CCP should have foresight and concern for changing irrelevant things in eve?
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:48:00 - [3] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Thank you CCP for unveiling this pile of equine ***. 1: When using multiple accounts on the same client install it now takes even longer for me to log in. 2: Upon my first login with this I find that every single setting I had has now been reset, thank you for making me spend the next 20-30 minutes redoing all my settings. 3: I will now be unable to even touch Eve on my linux box because I can't get into settings on the game before it launches full screen and breaks Wine. If I didn't have so much time, effort, and money invested in this game, this new launcher of yours would have lost you 3 paying accounts because of all the hassle I'm having. Good job. PS: Ever hear the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it'? Previous launcher wasn't broke, why did you try to fix it? Because it makes it easier for their outsourced coders to impliment new when the game is just like every other game they work on. Thus they homogenize the market and make it so you don't complain as much when they feed you **. Kinda like how when gas spiked to $10 in the US that when it finally went down to $3 nobody complained.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:51:00 - [4] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: Korinne wrote: You can't tell me that my settings couldn't be salvaged, that's a bullshit excuse and only somewhat works if you admit you scrapped alot of good developers for rookies who will just do what they're told and churn out factory grade garbage for the executive board. CCP should know by now how anal retentive and detail oriented their player base is, and know how big of a stink even changing the font would cause, much less SCRAPPING MY ENTIRE LIST OF SETTINGS. The first time you run the launcher, it can't find your settings. If you quit the launcher and relaunch it, it will find them. Nothing has been deleted. CCP has a lot of plans for single sign-on, and if they pull half of them off we'll be pretty happy. Well, most of us will be. Nope, sorry, didn't work.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: Korinne wrote: Seriously, who the hell thought that changing the launcher and nuking all my settings was a good idea, Your settings are still there, closing the launcher and starting it up again fixes this issue, apparently. Apparently that's just some excuse that happened to work for some people so they suggested it as a bandaid for everyone. Edit: It's also worth mentioning that the launcher just plain doesn't work 2 out of 5 times I tried it.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 21:57:00 - [6] - Quote Nightlund Audeles wrote: Axhind wrote: Nightlund Audeles wrote: So after being able to update the launcher I was excited to see how nicely it had come along from the pervious version. Upon further inspection I realized that CCP took away the bloody login screen! smh. Why did you do that? Why?! Please bring it back because I would sometimes just sit and watch the login screen for a while and I would love to have it back please. It's still there. Go to your EVE directory, then to /bin and just make a shortcut to "exefile.exe" This will bypass the ******** launcher and offer you the usual login screen. One that actually remembers your login and has only one enter to start the game instead of login and then play. Once they patch eve it will tell you that it's wrong protocol. Run launcher then to patch the game and go back to loging in easy and fast instead of slow and convoluted. Thank you very much for this insight. Cheers! Give it a few hours, they'll patch out this bypass like they have hundreds of others. You will play the game than hand you the way they want you, or else they'll just break it. Kinda like how they broke Drakes.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:02:00 - [7] - Quote Fantabuloso wrote: Good to know CCP is keeping with their tradition of breaking the game as soon as it gets good. Seriously, the original launcher was bad enough, why are you doing this? Noone wants this. Method to the madness. If they alienate everyone who can be alienated, that is to say the people who complain and make their voices heard with their money, then who is left? The people who just haplessly fork over their federal reserve notes regardless. The proverbial golden goose. Keeping people around who are likely to be malcontent and demand good gameplay might make the sheeple make too much noise, which leads to them losing their easy buck. As **** up as it is, expect to see more of it, as they milk out the rest of the Eve franchise, then farm the servers over to SOE or something and go full speed on White Wolf Online. It's simply the market. Why create something designed to give you long term profit based on quality, when you can churn out **, and make a fuckton of money (plus severance) in a 5 year period, they bail before the liability issues catch up with you. It's the formula EA has used for years and because the market has been so adulterated with dumb consumers and bad games, other developers are starting to catch on.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 215	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:03:00 - [8] - Quote Axhind wrote: Korinne wrote: Nightlund Audeles wrote: Axhind wrote: Nightlund Audeles wrote: So after being able to update the launcher I was excited to see how nicely it had come along from the pervious version. Upon further inspection I realized that CCP took away the bloody login screen! smh. Why did you do that? Why?! Please bring it back because I would sometimes just sit and watch the login screen for a while and I would love to have it back please. It's still there. Go to your EVE directory, then to /bin and just make a shortcut to "exefile.exe" This will bypass the ****** launcher and offer you the usual login screen. One that actually remembers your login and has only one enter to start the game instead of login and then play. Once they patch eve it will tell you that it's wrong protocol. Run launcher then to patch the game and go back to loging in easy and fast instead of slow and convoluted. Thank you very much for this insight. Cheers! Give it a few hours, they'll patch out this bypass like they have hundreds of others. You will play the game than hand you the way they want you, or else they'll just break it. Kinda like how they broke Drakes. Well they are learning from SONY. Who better to teach them customer hostile ways. After all customers are there to be mistreated. Not like they have a choice if they will give you their money or not. To be honest if CCP continues this kind of ** I might get so busy in RL that subscriptions will go away. It's one thing to make a mistake but not even a ****** monkey would think that this launcher was an improvement on anything (unless the goal is to get a lot of pissed off customers, then it worked impressively). In one way, that was the goal, the alienation of customers. See previous post.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:05:00 - [9] - Quote shal ri wrote: if I had put out a program, feature, or any kind of improvement that had a result like this, I would have to look for another job. If that in itself didn't get me fired, knowing that it was broken to begin with would most likely have done it. CCP your late few updates have come in a very smooth way. why is it that this one (one we were not told about) a complete ** up? I think someone needs a talking to before they lose their job. people shouldnt have to wait nearly 30 pages before a dev repeats a fix that the players have already come up with. something has to be done about this. Why would they tell you about it? That implies that they care about what you think. I mean, if they can get you used to just taking their ** from them with no consequences, then all the better for their profit margins. Edit: The dev's couldn't fix the problems because all the competent devs, the ones that weren't sycophants, got scrapped and replaced with yes men who just control the mob while their outsourced coding department plays catchup.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:11:00 - [10] - Quote Really though, I would like someone of authority to explain to me why this change needed to be made, and how long it was considered before they thrust it in there. Furthermore, why wasn't this brought up to the playerbase for discussion? I'm inclined to formulate my own answers, but I suppose I should give you a chance to cover that shithole you call an ass.

Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:16:00 - [11] - Quote Gaspod TWD wrote: So we're we all getting to complacent? A few years with patches that roll out and work without reformatting your hard drive? Is nobody shuddering at an impending patch? Have we forgotten the need to sort out long train skills? Is it time to re-educate us in the ways of CCP? In case you have not guessed, I'm not happy about the launcher, how badly it installed and how it reset my settings. This may not be as bad as it seems at first but I only managed to initiate the login process before being so filled with rage that it would not have been a good idea to play. So I finished letting Eve load and quit to come here only pausing long enough to turn captains quarters off before exiting. It's not hard to have patches roll out with few kinks, especially when your patches include no new content; merely a compilation of regurgitated and recycled content from other sources. Even more so when your developers have their heads so far up EFT's and CFC's rear that they can't see without getting crap in their eye.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote coolzero wrote: Iam Widdershins wrote: As far as I can tell this launcher update is pretty bad. I keep my clients running from different, junctioned folders to keep their settings separate. It also meant I didn't have to choose which account I logged into every damn time, because every folder was for a client that only ever logged into that one account. All this is gone now. The launcher seems to have no regard whatsoever for folder junctions, or is storing its data in the program folder instead of the relevant settings folder. Choosing which account you want to log into is janky as hell. I'll type in the name of another account and tab t the password box, and it's instantly gone back to what was in there before. It took me like six tries to even enter another account name in there and get it to work; I had to click. After you've done that, selecting another account apparently requires you to click on the dropdown every time regardless of where the launcher is run from, and even then it doesn't always work. What the hell guys? multy login still works for me 3 seperated installs with 3 shortcuts on desktop (with LUA OFF thingy in shortcut) after updating the launcher 3 times i get still have seperated settings for my 3 accounts. would have been easier if the launcher would use a seperated setup for each account name you log in with so i dont need to have 3x install and launching the launcher 3 times. and btw was it so hard to put in that after the install of the new launcher... the launcher shut down and relaunch..... its not that hard to do (hell i just updated LOTRO launcher and it did just that..update and restart launcher.) The fact that you just mentioned Eve and anything made by Turbine in the same sentence is not only symptomatic of everything wrong with CCP, but it's also insulting.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote coolzero wrote: Korinne wrote: coolzero wrote: Iam Widdershins wrote: As far as I can tell this launcher update is pretty bad. I keep my clients running from different, junctioned folders to keep their settings separate. It also meant I didn't have to choose which account I logged into every damn time, because every folder was for a client that only ever logged into that one account. All this is gone now. The launcher seems to have no regard whatsoever for folder junctions, or is storing its data in the program folder instead of the relevant settings folder. Choosing which account you want to log into is janky as hell. I'll type in the name of another account and tab t the password box, and it's instantly gone back to what was in there before. It took me like six tries to even enter another account name in there and get it to work; I had to click. After you've done that, selecting another account apparently requires you to click on the dropdown every time regardless of where the launcher is run from, and even then it doesn't always work. What the hell guys? multy login still works for me 3 seperated installs with 3 shortcuts on desktop (with LUA OFF thingy in shortcut) after updating the launcher 3 times i get still have seperated settings for my 3 accounts. would have been easier if the launcher would use a seperated setup for each account name you log in with so i dont need to have 3x install and launching the launcher 3 times. and btw was it so hard to put in that after the install of the new launcher... the launcher shut down and relaunch..... its not that hard to do (hell i just updated LOTRO launcher and it did just that..update and restart launcher.) The fact that you just mentioned Eve and anything made by Turbine in the same sentence is not only symptomatic of everything wrong with CCP, but it's also insulting. i agrea turdbine sucks but...they at least know how to put in restart launcher after it has done with updating :P (and they made asherons call 1 the best MMO ever made ) That's like saying 'at least I know to flush the toilet when I'm done'. Certain things should be a given. You wouldn't be able to run any other business like this and not catch ** for ***** up so badly.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:26:00 - [14] - Quote Merin Skaa wrote: Sorry CCP, but this launcher is crap. If you honestly don't know this, you should try using it. They know it, they just don't care. And really, it's alot scarier to think that they are that ******* oblivious.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote flakeys wrote: Thanks for ruining my setups and every other ccrap i can now spend days on.But offcourse the launcher needed this update as SO many people where complaining about the current launcher right CCP?Unlike pos's for example ...nah pos's don't need work , not like people are asking that for years in a row , no THIS launcher needed an overhaul badly. Just like the hangar needed it badly last time ... perfect priorities as usuall. CCP: Pos's broken since day 1. Edit: For the record, I still hate the unified inventory, and it still doesn't do what it was designed to do, namely, allow me to search assets and let me see what is inside things without actually opening them.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:29:00 - [16] - Quote czar shadow wrote: I have been unable to even get to a log in screen nothing with the launcher works i have tried everything i can think of. its as if the game ceased to exist... been screwing with it for over an hour now Best workaround is to go into your Eve directory, find the bin file, and create a shortcut to exefile.exe; bypasses the launcher completely.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:32:00 - [17] - Quote Hathrul wrote: now its a nightmare to log into multiple accounts. the old launcher didnt make it much better and it seems this iteration continues the trend to make it worse to log into multiple accounts of all things to fix.....this is what you choose? dont think anyone really cared, even if it would work If they fix real problems, that would make it harder for them to outsource their development, which they've obviously be doing for a while now without telling anyone.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:40:00 - [18] - Quote Amarrian Enterprises wrote: Old launcher said "unable to connect to the internet", but had a button to "Launch Eve". Pressing that button resulted in Eve saying "wrong protocol". Downloaded new launcher installer from the CCP dev post link (at the start of this thread) and ran that. New launcher also did not connect, and lacked the button to launch Eve. Ran ExeFile.exe manually (by the way, how about naming the game executable something a bit more descriptive, like "EveOnline.exe" or "EveClient.exe" ?), got a prompt saying there was a game update, and telling me it would now be installed. Ran game update, which, after updating the game, re-downloaded the launcher update and ran that again. Final window said there had been an error during the update. Turned out to be because the launcher was already running (why can't the launcher updater close the launcher or at least give a descriptive error message?). Closed launcher, ran ExeFile.exe again. Got the prompt saying there was an update again. This time the update ran "correctly" (re-updating the already updated game and re-updating the already updated launcher) but, once finished, launched the (new) launcher, which said I wasn't connected to the internet. Ran ExeFile.exe again. Got the "there's a new game update" prompt again. Basically stuck in a cycle; starting launcher results in "no connection", running ExeFile.exe results in a never-ending update cycle. Ran Repair.exe instead (again, how about naming it something more descriptive, like "EveRepair.exe" ?). Got an error saying the launcher was running and couldn't be updated (at least the repair tool says what is causing the error, but still, couldn't it simply close the launcher?). Repair finished without reporting any errors (i.e., apparently without doing anything). Ran ExeFile.exe again. No update prompt this time; Eve Finally started and was able to connect to the server. Based on this, my advice to anyone having problems is: Close the launcher (use Process Explorer / Task Manager / etc. to make sure it's really not running). Run the repair tool. After it finishes, run ExeFile.exe (and not the launcher) Short version: The launcher is a broken piece of **** nobody wanted.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 220	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:41:00 - [19] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Everybody here seems to spend way more time and effort bitching about pretty much everything than they'd actually need to spend to get over the new launcher. Sure, we can just work on getting over this the same way we got over Incarna and monocles. Because you know, getting used to abuse is always a good thing right?
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 222	Posted - 2013.05.21 22:46:00 - [20] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Korinne wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Everybody here seems to spend way more time and effort bitching about pretty much everything than they'd actually need to spend to get over the new launcher. Sure, we can just work on getting over this the same way we got over Incarna and monocles. Because you know, getting used to abuse is always a good thing right? What's even better is getting over a false perception of abuse. It's not a false perception. I initially bought a product from CCP that I enjoyed. As I started to enjoy their changes less and less, I gave them less and less money; but what incentive is there for them to care when the entire market is in cahoots with each other when it comes to keeping quality low and making a quick buck? Assuming all of that, then what else is this other than outright abuse of the playerbase.

Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 222	Posted - 2013.05.21 23:03:00 - [21] - Quote Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote: what was wrong with the old one ? a and b if you have alot of tec peeps make them work on makeing THE GAME BETTER in anyway who cares about the logon on thing seriously......Snapper They don't have alot of 'tech peeps' that's the big scam.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 222	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:48:00 - [22] - Quote "The new login functionality that we deployed today is designed to start changing the way users log into the EVE Universe; whilst it is often true that one shouldn't change something if it isn't broken, such a clich+¬ doesn't allow for changing priorities. " That is some PR censored garbage if I ever read any. Tell me, just what exactly are the priorities for Eve, or do they not tell you that? Even if the launcher worked, all it is is a billboard to advertise to people WHO ALREADY GIVE YOU MONEY, any claims of added functionality is a thinly veiled lie. The only reason you would make a launcher like this is if you're already planning to try to roll out microtransactions yet again and pay to win as per the Dust model. You say you as a company have changing priorities, and it is apparent that the priority has shifted away from making the best space sandbox imaginable, to making a fuckton of money off of 12 year old newfags, to put it candidly.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 223	Posted - 2013.05.22 00:59:00 - [23] - Quote Vhaine Vhindiscar wrote: What is the point of testing if you people NEVER listen to the feedback? It's a pile. I logged in to find all my settings reverted. I had to go out to reddit to quickly find out how to fix it. Then I reopen the launcher and am greeted with 20 minutes of Validating Client. Also, If I have already hit BUTTAN to login...why must I press another one to 'play.' Why did I just login? To admire the graphic design work that went into the second button? CCP mouse kick fiesta continues. It's the illusion of input/power that 'feedback' gives you, it tricks you into thinking you have a real say in stuff, just like when you go to vote for your representative.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 225	Posted - 2013.05.22 02:25:00 - [24] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/bZgSLVY.png Reposted because of high levels of truthful content and validity.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 226	Posted - 2013.05.22 03:26:00 - [25] - Quote Ripblade Falconpunch wrote: Contributing absolutely nothing of value to this threadnaught, except voicing my opinion that this new launcher is the absolute suxorz for numerous reasons that have already been covered. Also, it looks like a bag of smashed assholes. Fire whoever did the graphics design AND whoever built it / thought it was a great freaking idea to break something that wasn't broken. The graphics were pretty bad, even the old launcher looked better.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 230	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:52:00 - [26] - Quote Par'Gellen wrote: Lord Haur wrote: CCP Atropos wrote: As for the log off button, many people don't really use it to log off from the game, but rather as a quick means to quit the game and restart at the login screen. That's what it was intended to do. Log Off = quit game, reboot client to login screen. Quit Game = quit game, close client. Hehe this brings up an interesting point. What did CCP Atropos think the button was for if not exactly what she described? They didn't think, that's the point. The devs as of late are little more than corporate sycophants and aren't given the leeway to think. That and if they talked about what they thought, it'd be obvious that they don't do anything other than outsource code.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 230	Posted - 2013.05.22 17:54:00 - [27] - Quote Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Is this Viking logic? Was all the bling and new features that the players actually asked for in the last couple expansions, just a diversion while they waited for us to drop the soap?? Duh, of course it was. Heck it wasn't even good bling, it was all recycled content with a shiny new polish. They've done nothing but cut overhead on Eve development since Incarna and it is painfully obvious for those who have been paying attention.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 230	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:55:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Guard wrote: Hey everyone. We've had a meeting where we discussed what went wrong around the deployment of the launcher as well as the issues many of you have had with the launcher, the community reaction and our next steps. We realize that communication hasn't been up to par in the last 24 hours. We've mostly focused on messaging workarounds to specific issues in this thread but we haven't been able to address the situation in its entirety. We will be working on writing a dissection of what went wrong yesterday, as well as an FAQ on the launcher, specific problems, and what our next steps are in improving your experience. This is just the heads up. I wanted you to know that we are working full force over here to make things right with you. Please bear with us for now. How many times are you going to give us this same boilerplate apology? We know it doesn't mean anything and is about as sincere as Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with that woman. It is borderline insulting, not only how you have handled this, but your gross lack of competence.
Korinne The Partisan Brigade Republic Alliance 230	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:04:00 - [29] - Quote And now they release a new patch which didn't really fix any of the problems. It still takes forever to validate, it still looks ugly, and still everyone hates it. Just ***** get rid of this launcher business, I'm sorry that it makes it harder to homogenize your game when you outsource your coding to an Icelandic slum village, but tough *****.