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Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4169	Posted - 2013.05.23 02:18:00 - [61] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mangala Solaris wrote: Dearest OP. If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher. However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay. What a bunch of crap. Thought (and said) Malcanis degraded from his own self but I see he's not alone. Stop the groupthink. Fear of change? Easier character switching? Yes we have fear of garbage changes. Incarna like changes. Did YOU love the Incarna change being showed down your throat? The log in screen is ICONIC of EvE. It's like you added an huge dildo on Michelangelo's masterpiece and then told everyone that's change is good (sounds a bit like GREED IS GOOD, doesn't it?) As for the easier character switching, I play EvE on 5 different computers in 2 places, I REALLY want to see how easy it'll be to start a cloud stored settings client into 5 different PCs each with its own graphics preferences, screen resolution and other. CCP are treading with some dangerous stuff here, we large multi-accounters have no issue with the subs money but if they make logging in a PITA then they can be sure they are going to lose over it. You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen? People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes. You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process. REALLY!??!? If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Sarmatiko 1136	Posted - 2013.05.23 02:22:00 - [62] - Quote mmorpg lol wrote: This whole thread is hilarious. Want the old login screen? Just launch eve via exefile instead of the launcher. Actually posts from people who don't have any idea about incoming changes are more hilarious. "Just launch eve via exefile" will go. It stays here only as temporary failsafe solution in case something goes terribly wrong (like yesterday). There will be no new music, no new scene and you wont be able to run from evefile directly. Now I even doubt that CCP plans to spend few hours for lazy-ass change of skybox and logo for Odyssey release - we might have old Retribution scene because no one cares anymore. -¥
Tarsas Phage Freight Club Whores in space 194	Posted - 2013.05.23 03:53:00 - [63] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: We vote for them because they are fellow gamers with a comprehensive point of view, a strong personality, and a desire express their opinion in a way that will ultimately make the game better. It isn't about being soft spoken or having to espouse some sort of sickeningly sweet forced kindness. The point is that someone's going to generally be better received if they don't make themselves out to be a dickbutt at every opportunity. This is Communication 101 level stuff and a no-brainer. Actually it's just standard kindergarten people skills stuff. Something I would think that a person who has a background in Customer Logistics would actually be adept at.

CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 437	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:27:00 - [64] - Quote Cleaned out some off-topic/ranting posts and the conversation it spawned. Let's keep it civil and on-topic guys. CCP Dolan \| Community Representative Twitter: @CCPDolan Gooby pls


CCP Dolan C C P C C P Alliance 437	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:29:00 - [65] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. CCP Dolan \| Community Representative Twitter: @CCPDolan Gooby pls

Alekseyev Karrde Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 1254	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:47:00 - [66] - Quote CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 5146	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:52:00 - [67] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: mmorpg lol wrote: This whole thread is hilarious. Want the old login screen? Just launch eve via exefile instead of the launcher. Actually posts from people who don't have any idea about incoming changes are more hilarious. "Just launch eve via exefile" will go. It stays here only as temporary failsafe solution in case something goes terribly wrong (like yesterday). There will be no new music, no new scene and you wont be able to run from evefile directly. Now I even doubt that CCP plans to spend few hours for lazy-ass change of skybox and logo for Odyssey release - we might have old Retribution scene because no one cares anymore. And many more things WRT launcher and login will change before that happens. You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it. CCP is fond of their art, it's asinine to think they'd throw it away for whatever reason. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7960	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:26:00 - [68] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week. The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason. mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 9520	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:30:00 - [69] - Quote Alekseyev Karrde wrote: CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time. The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n. 1 Kings 12:11
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1948	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:31:00 - [70] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Mangala Solaris wrote: Dearest OP. If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher. However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay. What a bunch of crap. Thought (and said) Malcanis degraded from his own self but I see he's not alone. Stop the groupthink. Fear of change? Easier character switching? Yes we have fear of garbage changes. Incarna like changes. Did YOU love the Incarna change being showed down your throat? The log in screen is ICONIC of EvE. It's like you added an huge dildo on Michelangelo's masterpiece and then told everyone that's change is good (sounds a bit like GREED IS GOOD, doesn't it?) As for the easier character switching, I play EvE on 5 different computers in 2 places, I REALLY want to see how easy it'll be to start a cloud stored settings client into 5 different PCs each with its own graphics preferences, screen resolution and other. CCP are treading with some dangerous stuff here, we large multi-accounters have no issue with the subs money but if they make logging in a PITA then they can be sure they are going to lose over it. Heh. Do you know what's the only thing I remind fondly of Incarna? Yes, you guessed it. 0:40 = Play. This. NAO. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Inna Cristiana Abyss Anomalies 13	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:53:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. "IDEA"? You mean to say that this wasn't part of your plan after removing the login screen? WTF IS GOING ON HERE?
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 5148	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:56:00 - [72] - Quote Inna Cristiana wrote: CCP Dolan wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. "IDEA"? You mean to say that this wasn't part of your plan after removing the login screen? WTF IS GOING ON HERE? What's going on is that a CCP Community Representative may not have been informed of the appropriate team's future plans in a certain area. You wouldn't ask a 3D artist what Fozzie's plans for balancing T3s are, would you? -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1951	Posted - 2013.05.23 06:57:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. Thank you. Obviously we won't tell you how to do your job (too often), but keeping the iconic "welcome" screen should be in the best interest of everyone artsy. Such screens are a psychological need after the unavoidable backlash caused by launcher behavior (every launcher behavior, not just EVE's) as it's not funny nor mood-setting to press button, wait wait wait for update/connection stuff, press button again and eventually get bacon. A "welcome" screen allows the player to shift back into "game mode". As EVE goes, the animated login screen was liked to the point that leaking it from Sisi and rating/commenting it was one of the player-made hype routines before each expansion. May not be the 20th nor the 100th most important thing to do in EVE, but it still is important, and in terms of NPE, it's worth its weight in gold. I STILL remember the first time I opened the client and was welcomed by the image of a planet being bombarded from space. It was like "woah, where i am getting into?". And one doesn't get into the MOMA by greeting folks with some white bars on a black screen and then a blatant "formality" screen... The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1951	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:01:00 - [74] - Quote Andski wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week. The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason. Hold fire, I'm friendly! Just read how the CSM reacted to the OP, may you? They thought -think?- it was/is stupid to worry about the login screen rather than the launcher issues. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4092	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:13:00 - [75] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen? People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes. You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process. REALLY!??!? If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow. You mean just the last of a 2 years long number of feature-reducing / dumbing down changes that are making EvE more and more less EvE? You mean removing the brand off a product strongly characterized by its brand? Yes, it's definitely minor. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4092	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:15:00 - [76] - Quote Andski wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week. The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason. I had to like an Andski post. What EvE has come down to. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Sarmatiko 1138	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:40:00 - [77] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it. So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same? Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"? Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone? But you can keep advocating every single change with happy smile ofc. -¥
MainDrain 7th Deepari Defence Armada Apocalypse Now. 209	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:58:00 - [78] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it. So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same? Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"? Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone? But you can keep advocating every single change with happy smile ofc. I wouldnt say they silently removed the Jukebox, IIRC there was a devblog from the audio team explaining the changes weeks in advance. If people didnt read it well enough to understand what was happening is another thing altogether. I didnt actually realise we had a new launcher, ive always launched both clients from a pinned item on my taskbar which goes direct to the exe file.
Masrur Sullen Cucumbers 4	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:14:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. So your colleagues didn't think about something like that? Bad news.
Anyura Ministry of War Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:14:00 - [80] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Alekseyev Karrde wrote: CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time. The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n. He might be a Muppet but the man knows his Milton. I tip my hat to you, sir. A little.
Chi'Nane T'Kal Interminatus Aeterna Anima 82	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:28:00 - [81] - Quote Mangala Solaris wrote: However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching What? I switched to starting directly with the exefile BECAUSE char switching with the new launcher is a PITA. If the new launcher supported storing and switching between multiple logins synchronously, I could see it being useful, but I'd hardly call that issues being 'smoothed out'. Plus, that functionality would pretty much defeat the purpose of the SSO mechanism.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 5148	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:57:00 - [82] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it. So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same? Yes. Sarmatiko wrote: Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"? No. Sarmatiko wrote: Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone? Probably not, considering those things are easily replaced by tools OOG. Of course, you can voice your displeasure at the idea of removing them, but it's not the end of the world if they are removed. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7967	Posted - 2013.05.23 11:38:00 - [83] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone? I guess it's a good thing CCP Navigator is the guy in charge of the community team and doesn't do anything relating to the client then! Unless you're thinking of another dev mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Halgar Rench EVE University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 11:59:00 - [84] - Quote Malcanis wrote: It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK. Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". Begging to differ... It's not just a launcher, dambit. In addition to launching the game, it patches the game, displays ads, displays videos (videos? - yes videos), processes sign ons, links to several CCP services, devblogs and patchnotes. The sad fact is that this "mere launcher" cannot launch the game until it contacts some web servers and populates itself with a load of content that is extraneous to simple, basic function of launching the game. I hope that the CSM will thoughtful consider the risk of CCP overloading this new front end with too many bells and whistles, and creating a potential single point of failure that could block access to the game, (as we have already have seen is a real possibility). To guard against this possibility, I would hope that the alternative - and truly simple - method of launching the game (i.e. ExeFile.exe) remains as it is for the long term - with the sign on functionality intact.
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 523	Posted - 2013.05.23 12:08:00 - [85] - Quote Alekseyev Karrde wrote: CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy "Baptism by fire." ;) CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 9531	Posted - 2013.05.23 12:22:00 - [86] - Quote Halgar Rench wrote: To guard against this possibility, I would hope that the alternative - and truly simple - method of launching the game (i.e. ExeFile.exe) remains as it is for the long term - with the sign on functionality intact. No argument from me on this - I'd actually forgotten that we could do this until this event occurred, and now I quite like it. 1 Kings 12:11
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 9531	Posted - 2013.05.23 12:34:00 - [87] - Quote Anyura wrote: I tip my hat to you, sir. A little. And of their vain contest appeer'd no end... 1 Kings 12:11
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4179	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:19:00 - [88] - Quote CCP Dolan wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen. I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team. Don't forget to mention it to Soundwave. He's the main person (we see anyway) that is advocating the war on loading screens. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4179	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:22:00 - [89] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Malcanis wrote: It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK. Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". How many times do we need to repeat history to learn from it? Feedback and warnings ignored as "I hate change": Unified Inventory. By both CSM and CCP (A big miss for CSM7 btw) Deleting functionality and not understanding sentimental value: Ship-spinning. Being rude as a way of communicating to playerbase: Well many examples but I'll pick the Mittani for this one. Please don't make me hand you a wizard hat. Actually, what you have just presented are excellent examples of classic over reaction. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4179	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:26:00 - [90] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen? People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes. You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process. REALLY!??!? If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow. You mean just the last of a 2 years long number of feature-reducing / dumbing down changes that are making EvE more and more less EvE? You mean removing the brand off a product strongly characterized by its brand? Yes, it's definitely minor. Yes, incredibly minor, yet still worthy of some attention. I know you are struggling to try and link this to your own personal agenda, but it's not working very well. Step away from the soap box. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.

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