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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:57:00 -
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Provided that the new launcher, botched launch aside, has removed the iconic animated login screen and, as long as i am aware, that was not hinted nor discussed at player level, I would like to know wether the CSM was informed/asked about this change and what may veteran players think of getting rid of a "sentimental value" feature in such unceremonious and -as far as I care- gratuitous way. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9484
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Posted - 2013.05.22 06:59:00 -
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It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".
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dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
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Posted - 2013.05.22 07:40:00 -
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Are you seriously asking about this? This isn't a joke? Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9487
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:59:00 -
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Straight up: I was expecting a "CSM Y U NO MAKE LAWNCHR WERK?" thread, but this...
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
542
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:02:00 -
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Dearest OP.
If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher.
However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay. Mangala Undocked |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:00:00 -
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Just was curious, obviously nobody gives a damn. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9488
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:23:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just was curious, obviously nobody gives a damn.
correct.
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Anyura
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:32:00 -
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It's good to see the CSM so accurately representing my views on the loss of the beautiful splash art and music that made each expansion unique. Perhaps we could do away with graphical upgrades and music as they both clearly frivolous to the business of staring at asteroids and market screens. |
Ein0r Niiminen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:45:00 -
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I am not really a veteran player, as i really started playing about 1 month ago, but I cant understand why you would want to get rid of something that evokes so much flair, even if it is only for a short amount of time. And it sets the right mood, especially for players that are new to the game. I can only compare them with the login Screens for WoW. The Ice Crown Citadel with the Frostwyrm flying in the background, the Deathwing dragon glancing down on you from the crumbling towers of the city he layed waste on a moment ago, or even the huge monumental catdog statues with crossed spears from the MoP expansion.
And the Retribution login screen (since it is the only one i really know) always evoked the feeling of this huge universe that is hidden behind that slow moving asteroid and the slow moving space station, ready for me to explore.
If it is just a login screen, why not just keep it somehwere, between launcher and char select? Why dont they want to keep something simple like this that can easily attract people or awake their interest for such a game in the first place? Or maybe even awake those feelings again? It is a method that can easily captivate people like me, that are interested in lore and all the epic stuff that can happen with a universe, a black dragon with metal plating, 2 huge statues. Even if the magnitude is not as great and fascinating as the actual player might picture it in his fantasies about the game.
I couldnt care less about the launcher itself, it is just a launcher. It is annoying that i have to wait about 1 minute to get from the launcher to the actual char select, staring at a black screen with a slowly moving loading bar. Once the problems will be fixed, it may be better than the old one. But to me this does not justify that they got rid of that fantastic animated login screen.
If i browse a book store for possible books i might be interested in, i also look at the cover if it could interest me. If i dont like the cover i may not even open the book to let the content convince me. If this would be the case, every book would just need some sort of parcel string to keep the pages together and some bown packing paper to protect it from dirt. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
959
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just was curious, obviously nobody gives a damn. correct.
Time to resign you're clearly not representing us. :) |
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Whim Aqayn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:08:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Dearest OP.
If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher.
However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay. No, thanks. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7947
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:18:00 -
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yo CSM dudes how many of you have logged in since the launcher update?
just curious mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
807
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just was curious, obviously nobody gives a damn. correct.
way to go champ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9490
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:yo CSM dudes how many of you have logged in since the launcher update?
just curious
I have logged in.
Honestly, whenever CCP make a major change it's always the smart play to just be patient while the inevitable initial bugs are worked out. It took me about 10 minutes to encounter the non-working launcher, read through the response thread, try the direct eveexe thing, have that fail, try running repair.exe, that worked, problem solved.
(Certain un-named corp members flipped out and raged on mumble, deleted their EVE installations, redownloaded the client and got logged in just in time to see the "OK now it's working, sorry about that" announcement.)
Let's put this in perspective: a few thousand people experienced mild inconvenience logging in to one video game for a few hours. This does not merit a monument-shoot.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
944
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:12:00 -
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Yeah, I was frustrated for the ten seconds it took me to realize this isn't a big deal, and that if a slight inconvenience in a video game patch really gets me riled, then I need to reevaluate my life. |
Whim Aqayn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Andski wrote:yo CSM dudes how many of you have logged in since the launcher update?
just curious I have logged in. Honestly, whenever CCP make a major change it's always the smart play to just be patient while the inevitable initial bugs are worked out. It took me about 10 minutes to encounter the non-working launcher, read through the response thread, try the direct eveexe thing, have that fail, try running repair.exe, that worked, problem solved. (Certain un-named corp members flipped out and raged on mumble, deleted their EVE installations, redownloaded the client and got logged in just in time to see the "OK now it's working, sorry about that" announcement.) Let's put this in perspective: a few thousand people experienced mild inconvenience logging in to one video game for a few hours. This does not merit a monument-shoot. Agreed. This isn't about the bugs and the bugs don't really warrant an outrage. This is about how the players value the login screen. |
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
135
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:17:00 -
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There's a bunch of small, but annoying, issues that indicate that this new launcher never went through any real usability testing. Hitting tab to move between fields resets the login field, the EULA dialog opening for every single account after you restart the launcher. etc.
They should revert back to the old style launcher untill they fix the issues, and the CSM should be fronting those issues against CCP.
Consider the fact that 'a few thousand' (that we know about) users had problems is actually an appreciable fraction of the playerbase when the total (TQ + Serenity) playerbase is around 500k subs. |
Jace Errata
Ghosts That Linger
423
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:19:00 -
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I am slightly concerned about the CSM's reaction to this. Please remember you should be listening to what people want now, not telling them to HTFU for disagreeing with you. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3800
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:24:00 -
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http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/csm/CSM_CCP_Meeting_2012_05_30.pdf (page 102)
CSM 7 talked to CCP about the launcher almost a year ago. Many of the issues that turned out to be problems were raised back then, and clearly they were not all addressed. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Tarsas Phage
Freight Club Whores in space
178
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".
As a member of the CSM, you should re-evaluate your tone and the way you presented yourself here.
Also as a member of the CSM, you should not immediately dismiss valid arguments and offer substance in your rebuttal beyond what essentially is a "deal with it."
This new launcher was released without warning, broke use of the game for pretty much everyone, and continues to have usability bugs which are glaring and shouldn't have even seen the light of day. User workflow was abruptly changed for the worse, and furthermore, the launcher offers only regressions in terms of features that were once available.
As a CSM, you should be communicating with CCP on these matters and relaying what you can between the rest of the user population and CCP internal developers instead of penning insolent replies such as the one you have here.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9495
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:42:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". As a member of the CSM, you should re-evaluate your tone and the way you presented yourself here. Also as a member of the CSM, you should not immediately dismiss valid arguments and offer substance in your rebuttal beyond what essentially is a "deal with it." This new launcher was released without warning, broke use of the game for pretty much everyone, and continues to have usability bugs which are glaring and shouldn't have even seen the light of day. User workflow was abruptly changed for the worse, and furthermore, the launcher offers only regressions in terms of features that were once available. As a CSM, you should be communicating with CCP on these matters and relaying what you can between the rest of the user population and CCP internal developers instead of penning insolent replies such as the one you have here.
Yeah the bugs in the new launcher were bad. But that wasn't what was being talked about in this thread, to my surprise.
Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated.
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Sarmatiko
1130
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:44:00 -
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I especially liked this part:
Quote: CCP Atropos noted that there had not been much feedback when the Launcher was on SiSi but some negative feedback from players when it went live. He had been expecting more CSM feedback.
One year have passed and CCP learned nothing from previous experience
Also I wonder If CSM members were aware about in-game login screen removal? How they reacted? Why no one asked for community feedback about this feature (just like with jukebox, and possibly in future with calculator\notepad)?
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Sarmatiko
1130
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:00:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated. I actually approve this kind of member in CSM. The more ignorant dummies with superiority complex we will have in current CSM, the less votes and credibility next CSM will get.
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Tarsas Phage
Freight Club Whores in space
178
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Yeah the bugs in the new launcher were bad. But that wasn't what was being talked about in this thread, to my surprise.
Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated.
The OP's question was aimed at enquiring about the CSM's interaction with CCP regarding the launcher. I would take this to encompass both technical and non-technical aspects around the launcher, and whether the CSM and CCP adequately communicated to each other - CCP in terms of release plans, and CSM in terms of ensuring that user testing feedback and bugs were adequately addressed.
In terms of giving a straight answer, your reply started off well. The CSM and CCP communicated minimally on this. Fine, that's a direct and succinct answer.
You then took it upon yourself to needlessly editorialize on why the OP asked the question in the first place, and negatively so. This is where you went off the rails. I know you're new to the role, but it should be no mystery to you that successful CSM members of the past owe much of their success to good communication skills. Since Bible verses appear to resonate with you, look up James 1:20.
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Anea Ruminare
10
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Posted - 2013.05.22 17:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".
What zombie elected this jocker? If you hate so much to answer a decent, benevolent post, than abstain from trolling. The login has "sentimental value" for some players, nothing to mock in that sentence.
You assumed the CSM membership role, nobody forced you; if you can`t speake nice with people than maybe you should resign. Cash your free "Go to Island ticket" and afterwards resign.
You were rude.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
8376
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:16:00 -
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Anea Ruminare wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". What zombie elected this jocker? If you hate so much to answer a decent, benevolent post, than abstain from trolling. The login has "sentimental value" for some players, nothing to mock in that sentence. You assumed the CSM membership role, nobody forced you; if you can`t speake nice with people than maybe you should resign. Cash your free "Go to Island ticket" and afterwards resign. You were rude. He's a politician of sorts, dismissive and rude is in the job description. That said, the current CSM has been in for a matter of weeks, as already stated elsewhere in the thread it was CSM 7 that was informed about the launcher change, not CSM 8.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
185
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". As a member of the CSM, you should re-evaluate your tone and the way you presented yourself here. Also as a member of the CSM, you should not immediately dismiss valid arguments and offer substance in your rebuttal beyond what essentially is a "deal with it." This new launcher was released without warning, broke use of the game for pretty much everyone, and continues to have usability bugs which are glaring and shouldn't have even seen the light of day. User workflow was abruptly changed for the worse, and furthermore, the launcher offers only regressions in terms of features that were once available. As a CSM, you should be communicating with CCP on these matters and relaying what you can between the rest of the user population and CCP internal developers instead of penning insolent replies such as the one you have here. Yeah the bugs in the new launcher were bad. But that wasn't what was being talked about in this thread, to my surprise. Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated.
WTH CCP, someone FIRE THIS IGNORANT F*(& what an arrogant, non representing loser you are. Being on CSM is a privilege that you obviously do not have the maturity for. GET OUT
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4161
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:31:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". As a member of the CSM, you should re-evaluate your tone and the way you presented yourself here. Also as a member of the CSM, you should not immediately dismiss valid arguments and offer substance in your rebuttal beyond what essentially is a "deal with it." This new launcher was released without warning, broke use of the game for pretty much everyone, and continues to have usability bugs which are glaring and shouldn't have even seen the light of day. User workflow was abruptly changed for the worse, and furthermore, the launcher offers only regressions in terms of features that were once available. As a CSM, you should be communicating with CCP on these matters and relaying what you can between the rest of the user population and CCP internal developers instead of penning insolent replies such as the one you have here. Yeah the bugs in the new launcher were bad. But that wasn't what was being talked about in this thread, to my surprise. Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated. WTH CCP, someone FIRE THIS IGNORANT F*(& what an arrogant, non representing loser you are. Being on CSM is a privilege that you obviously do not have the maturity for. GET OUT Contrary to popular opinion when someone is being an ignorant twit even a CSM member can feel free to point it out. I'm sure if you offered to pay him a salary out of your own pocket they would show proper "respect".
He's a volunteer, trying to make the game better. In no way does that obligate him to smile and nod every time some over entitled space nerd tries to stir up outrage over, frankly, nothing.
The fact remains that the new launcher is a first step, with a great deal more functionality to be included over the next few iterations. You may very well get that launcher screen back in some fashion, and it's okay to voice your opinion that you'd like that if it's possible.
Outrage and demands for change, however, are not.
The worst possible politician (not that the CSM members are professional politicians in any way, thank god) is one that tells you what you want to hear instead of telling you how it really is. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1435
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:37:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:arcca jeth wrote:Malcanis wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.
Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia". As a member of the CSM, you should re-evaluate your tone and the way you presented yourself here. Also as a member of the CSM, you should not immediately dismiss valid arguments and offer substance in your rebuttal beyond what essentially is a "deal with it." This new launcher was released without warning, broke use of the game for pretty much everyone, and continues to have usability bugs which are glaring and shouldn't have even seen the light of day. User workflow was abruptly changed for the worse, and furthermore, the launcher offers only regressions in terms of features that were once available. As a CSM, you should be communicating with CCP on these matters and relaying what you can between the rest of the user population and CCP internal developers instead of penning insolent replies such as the one you have here. Yeah the bugs in the new launcher were bad. But that wasn't what was being talked about in this thread, to my surprise. Thanks for the advice on how to be a CSM member though. It's much appreciated. WTH CCP, someone FIRE THIS IGNORANT F*(& what an arrogant, non representing loser you are. Being on CSM is a privilege that you obviously do not have the maturity for. GET OUT Contrary to popular opinion when someone is being an ignorant twit even a CSM member can feel free to point it out. I'm sure if you offered to pay him a salary out of your own pocket they would show proper "respect". He's a volunteer, trying to make the game better. In no way does that obligate him to smile and nod every time some over entitled space nerd tries to stir up outrage over, frankly, nothing. The fact remains that the new launcher is a first step, with a great deal more functionality to be included over the next few iterations. You may very well get that launcher screen back in some fashion, and it's okay to voice your opinion that you'd like that if it's possible. Outrage and demands for change, however, are not. The worst possible politician (not that the CSM members are professional politicians in any way, thank god) is one that tells you what you want to hear instead of telling you how it really is.
Amen.
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Heavy Met4l Queen
Dark Corner Projects
9
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Posted - 2013.05.22 18:42:00 -
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arcca jeth wrote:ANGRY WORDS
I can tell your an expert in maturity. Perhaps you should try running next CSM and show us what it takes to be a respectful, responsible member. An Orca isnt an Orca until its leaked ozone and caught fire...
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