Did the remirror get deployed today?

The Server says its off line. Is there an ETA for when it will be back up?

I wonder how COSMOS archeology sites and Epic ark missions that require hacking\archeology will be affected with those changes?
I hope developers didn't forget to update loot tables for those old containers..

Not very well so far.

http://eve-files.com/dl/262592

Can is inside station and has a invisible wall keeping me about 7k away.

Site is "Decayed Blood Raider Mass Grave".

There was a lot of negativity expressed towards the scatter mechanic, the difficulty / player skill required for the hacking game and the loot (ie: junk) released in this thread Has this been addressed?

The loot that I always seem to get is just data sheets, scrap metal, small arms, and electronic parts.
Only twice have I gotten an item that is normally found in a Data or Relic site.

+1.

At least add an option in configuration to remove these clouds. EVE is pretty, but I can't see it when I'm zoomed all the way out to try and salvage what little FPS I can when I'm having to navigate through one of these horrid things.

That's good to hear. Loot right now is worthless.

But there's a great concern from what you just said: "The value should be slightly above of what we're getting today."

I'm assuming today means on Tranquillity. Well, please can you clarify it a bit further?

The TOTAL loot from a site will be slightly above of the total loot available to a single profession site on tranquillity? Or the PER PERSON loot from an Odyssey site will be slightly above of the total loot available to a single profession site on tranquillity?

That's very important. If I bring a friend with the new Odyssey exploration mechanics, we should both get at least rougly as much as a person can currently get on Tranquillity solo.

For example, if now in tranquillity I can solo explore a site and get 50mil isk worth of loot, in Odyssey if I bring a friend, on the same site, we should get ~50 mil isk each not total... Because in that way a single person would get HALF what he gets today on Tranquillity, netting a severe nerf on income.

Please clarify :) Thanks!

That's good to hear. Loot right now is worthless.

But there's a great concern from what you just said: "The value should be slightly above of what we're getting today."

I'm assuming today means on Tranquillity. Well, please can you clarify it a bit further?

The TOTAL loot from a site will be slightly above of the total loot available to a single profession site on tranquillity? Or the PER PERSON loot from an Odyssey site will be slightly above of the total loot available to a single profession site on tranquillity?

That's very important. If I bring a friend with the new Odyssey exploration mechanics, we should both get at least rougly as much as a person can currently get on Tranquillity solo.

For example, if now in tranquillity I can solo explore a site and get 50mil isk worth of loot, in Odyssey if I bring a friend, on the same site, we should get ~50 mil isk each not total... Because in that way a single person would get HALF what he gets today on Tranquillity, netting a severe nerf on income.

Please clarify :) Thanks!

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but were all Data and Relic sites supposed to have no rats?
Worm Hole Data and Relic Sites still seem to have sleepers.

Great! What about Hacking/Archaeology rigs? Seems they have no bonus to Coherence too.

Doesn't seem like a bug. If you fail a hack attempt once it spawns a single rat, if you fail it twice the can blows up.

Which the blowing up part is cool. I don't mind the rats personally since it sets some bar especially in low-0.0 sites.

I think the ammount of spammed cans should be reduced. I just found guritas data site in lowsec. There was 3 data cans. When I've scaned them with cargo scanner: I've got: first and second has only 1 decryptor, third has 1 decryptor and about 40 datainterfaces parts.
How many containters are spawned after successful hack? 15? 20? I wasn't count. But if it is 20 there is only 5% chance to catch this one with good loot. Inside other 95% are data sheets, small parts and so on.

Relic sites has a little better. Inside cans are 2-3 kinds of loot, the chance is then better. The best is in nullsec when is 5-6 types of loot in one can.

It should be repaired.
I have 2 ideas:
1. An amount of containters spawned after succesful analyzinn should be based on amount of proper loot.
2. As told ew posts above.There shouldn't be worthless loot (data sheet etc), but in every spawned containter should be loot worth of sale. Let it be 1 or 2 cheapest exploration/salvage parts but let it be useful.

Trusting friends is part of the reason that exploration has been mostly a solo gig.
The chance for a jackpot is all well and good, but the loot table right now is so crappy a single person cannot make any isk, and we were told a solo explorer should make out with about the same amount if not a little more as currently.

Am I doing something wrong then? All I ever seem to get is data sheets, scrap metal, small arms, and electronic parts.

So basically, the penalty for failure will be same loot in more containers making it harder to catch em all before they despawn?
Or was it a typo and you meant that less loot will be scattered?

While I feel that within the current design this will be a big improvement, it does beg the question of what does this mean when the "new" supposedly fun gameplay mechanic you are adding into this profession, slightly magnified, is in fact the punishment for failure mechanic also?

no difference in stats for mini-game between a tengu and a heron. using same rigs/modules and the heron is suppose to give a "+10 virus strength to relic and data analyzers"

I ran into a little snag last night...might be me but did you CCP people forget your own game rules?

Getting into Amarr space with small arms (gotten from exploration) means a small delay at the customs officials...
Do you get small arms from Amarr space exploration aswell? Might considder changing the loot to something NOT banned in parts of space....

And yes, you get small arms from Amarr sites.... not quite usefull is it..

If i had a choice between having Archaeology and Hacking for PvE or having ONLY Hacking but in a broader meaning (Hacking in PvP please!), then get rid of Archaeology.
But you created those nice new relic sites... hold onto Archaeology and Hacking, but also do something that Hacking is more meaningful in the rest of the game.

This also applies to secondary faction space, such as Khanid.

In my opinion CCP has to do something about the invisible bumbing-range models of all the structurs ingame.
Its annoying if you can't get to the containers, which are drifting away, only because there are hundreds of meters of invisible walls.

Also imagine yourself inside this structure, while hacking, someone warps in and attacks you. you are dead. no way to get out of this invisible walls in time. i hope they will arrange the spew containers far enough from any bigger structure.

Any other comment about this method ? For me, releasing an unfinished feature and improving it a few weeks later should be for the test-server only. We are not talking about a fix or something that has a high priority, we are talking about a rewamp of something functional (btw there were so many other things to rewamp first... *ahem* POSes *cough* *cough*).

Also, I'm still waiting for this new version of Planetary Interaction... Oh wait, we already know what happens to unfinished-but-somehow-stable features in Eve.

The probabilities to see an interesting minigame post Odyssey 1.0 are thus extremely low.

CCP Bayesian how about a toned down version at least along the lines of combat site escalation? Like players can find artifact puzzles or data discs in nodes of the minigame. They are not tradable, could just be a cryptic message in the journal. Say once player stumpled upon 5 that belong together he's rewarded with an expedition to a system that he never visited before. (or random system should a player actualy have visited each and every k-space system).
This should be much easier to implement but still provide some sense of exploration.

I propose that we always know where the core is located. This mini-game is just random clicks and hope that you don't click the wrong way into suppressors. If we know from the start where the core is then we can work to get to it while strategically avoiding the bad clicks.

We should find some way of negating the random clicking.

Are you planning to give hacking-strenght-boni (etc.) to other ships than the t1 frigates?
I think I read a dev post some pages back where you said you are thinking about new ships for hacking/archaeology, for the progression.
When do you plan to deliver us these new ships? In the next expansion?
How is your roadmap right now? (yes, i am curious )

How can literaly unsolvable minigames (which seems to happen now in about 50% of cases) be too easy? Or are you talking about something else? It's not really clear from your post.

O.K. tried it again. I'm getting about a 50% failure rate on the mini game in low sec now, I will try more latter tonight. All lvl 4 skills and a covert ops ship so no bonuses or rigs of the t1 ship (I'm trying to simulate how I actually do exploration). I think the most frustrating thing is the 50% I fail, there seems to be no way I could have won even mathematically. It just feels like I'm at war with some random number generator.

Add to this the fact that once I do "win" the min game rather than watching the loot blow up, I get to deal with he frustration of loot pinata (still bumping to structures!), so winning is just slightly less frustrating than loosing.

Also even though I've only played it a handful of times the mini game is already getting old. Also a rat spawned I thought they had been removed but not in this build perhaps?

http://i.imgur.com/OQqZnSM.png

Two things. Does Access Difficulty mean anything anymore? It's still on Analyzer modules as well.

-and-

Is the "10" at the bottom supposed to be a bonus to coherence?


e: Bug reported it.


Another minor point that may have been mentioned already; apologies if so, I'm way behind on the thread. But, debris/remains/etc gives no indication that it's been successfully completed, as opposed to something like wrecks which show if they've been opened and/or looted.

Can we get a response from a Dev if they are even considering changing the variable which causes the Loot Explosion?

Instead of having two tries at the hacking mini-game either:
Failing the hack attempt you get the loot explosion.
Succeeding in the hack attempt you loot the container like you would normally.

Twenty-four pages of basically everyone calling this loot explosion mechanic horrible is not a good sign and this is just the people "testing" the mechanic... I don't even want to see the outcry on the forums the following days after the patch hits the live server if this mechanic is introduced as it currently stands.

I was pretty excited when I first read about the changes.

Finally I can do hacking/arch/exploration in an all in one ship \o/.

Imagine my disappointment to find T1 ships have a bonus to virus strength and T2 doesn't.

Basically due to the new hacking rigs etc I STILL need 2 ships.. A covert ops to scan the sites down and a T1 to run the site.

Seems stupid to me

I don't understand how you can acknowledge this is a problem and yet NOT fix it before implementing the system. It's just mind-boggling.

Are we going to see that rebalancing in time for the launch of odyssey? Also, I think im not crazy and the most recent build had another down tweak on the strength of the scanning modules. I think it is at a pretty good point now, seems to leave room for virtue set and makes them useful. Are you happy with the current ballance of the added probe strength through modules and how that relates to the virtue set? Sorry to be off topic T T

Is this some sort of confirmation that the bonuses will be present on the T2 Cov ops hulls??

Ah thanks, sorry I missed it.

Yes it has never been a "stable" income, but now it becomes even more unstable because I might miss the few goodies that made it worthwhile. So it feels like luck-¦ (luck squared), because I do not only need luck to have a site with something in it, but also to grab the correct container.

Before it was somewhat stable. Doing 20 sites gave you a relatively constant amount of ISK - maybe a bit more on one day and a bit less the next, but over time you could be fairly accurate about your income. Now with that "fast fast" "grab grab" "hush hush" it is not what I'm looking for, it becomes to stressy and to quick and I don't like it. That's all I am saying and I think I am entitled to my opinion and to share it, especially if CCP asked for it.

I would be interested in more details on this. At first I assumed the can names meant something and reflected what kind of items could spawn in it, beyond just the low value items like the test reports. However, upon more testing it was apparant that the good loot, like the decyptors in a data site, was randomly spawning in any given container that was scattered from the spew container. Ill be sure to get back on sisi to try to figure it out myself but would apprecaite if you could take a moment for some clarification.