Deal with it.

Above poster means phoenix, not chimera.

Don't pretend like they weren't wasted before.

I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar.


It was suggested by customer service that I keep this thread active.

I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded.

That is all.

I would like the devs to consider refunding the SP invested in Citadel Torps by myself and other players who have trained the Naglfar.

Deal with it.

Above poster means phoenix, not chimera.

I am annoyed that I have 574k sp trained in Citadel Torpedos that I can no longer use. These will not be refunded.

That is all.

And if you can already Fly a Naglfar with decent skills, it will take you:

10 hours to Caldari Frig 3 +
10 hours to Caldari Dessie 3 +
25 hours to Caldari Cruiser 3 +
30 hours to Caldari BC 3 +
40 hours to Caldari BS 3:
Which is 4d 19h until you can train Caldari Dread (and I bet you have a bunch of these skills already).

It will take you 14d to get Dread IV, and you'll be a average Pheonix Pilot as well as a decent Naglfar Pilot.

You don't "deserve" a refund, and 574k SP is only 9 days of training.

How many SP did your character get with the Dessie and BC change: 2m, 4m, 6m?

Skillpoints are only refunded when the skill no longer has any function in the game. Citadel Torps still exist and in fact capital missiles recently got a nice little buff. You're not getting a refund.

Since the starting of this thread you have trained about 1,2 million SP. Is the status quo restored yet?

You can still use it, you just choose not to.

Correct, I choose not to train Caldari Dreads and buy a Phoenix in order to exercise my ability to fire Citadel Torps. No thanks.

CCP did a pretty nice job with the changes to Minnie split weapon systems this year, but unfortunately the Naglfar had to lose it's missile hardpoints. If all CCP were able to do for this ship was to re-balance the skill point requirements so that it is the same as the other dreads, then I want those extra skill points that I had to waste back.

Sell it and buy another character.

It has only been 3 months.

CCP only refunds skillpoints when the skill is no longer usable in the game, like the learning skills.

It's not the amount of skill points that matters in Eve, it's how players allocate them. My argument is that I have SP that I can no longer use due to game design changes. How is that not clear to you?

You would be hard pressed to find a player that was happy with where all their SP are.

I'm 3 months old and I have about a million SP that I wish I'd put somewhere else.

Yeah, we all do that. There are a few skills for ships I'll never fly in Kayemeh that I wish weren't plugged in. Can't blame CCP for those, but it isn't the same thing as losing access to 600k sp in a design change.

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean you lost access to it.

They should remove capital class missiles from the game, give the phoenix bonus to hybrids, and be done with it.

wouldnt that just turn it into a moros

The problem is, if they refund your sp they will have to refund it in many other cases, which will make it unrealistic. If the basis of the argument is if due to design changes I stopped using a particular module or ship and hence I should be reimbursed applies to a lot of changes.

I think you should ask yourself the question, did the changes improve the ship you fly notwithstanding the skill cost or not? the question here is obviously yes. Before the changes you were willing to put 542k extra skill points in a worse ship. Now you have a better ship for less skill cost and you should have an increase in overall utility

I think it's a valid point you are making, but I think you are forgetting the fact that in order to be a Naglfar pilot you have by definition been prepared to take it up the ass from CCP for years already and so why should things change now.

For instance:

1. Everyone complaining that split weapon system is bullcrap and CCP should just make the Nag pure guns. CCP art department categorically refuse and instead pilots get a 3rd weapon to train aka citadel cruise missiles.

2. CCP admitting that TSM is effectively useless to train to 5 so they reduce capital shield operation pre-reqs to 4. Asks pilots to 'watch this space' about the TSM skill (3-4 years later still watching). Noone who previously had trained it to 5 gets a refund. Rumours abound that CCP will reduce the skill rank and refund but rumours account for nothing.

3. CCP admitting the Hel has no real role and that it needs a better bonus.

In effect, if yoiu are a Minmatar capital pilot you have by now gotten so used to being dicked about by CCP with regard to capital ships you aren't going to get up on arms about yet another change, because your feelings werent cared about before so why should they be now.

Only way to get around it is to trade fo a different character!

As a Naglfar pilot I think that, for the sake of fairness, CCP should reimburse the now useless capital missile skills that Naglfar pilots trained.
They are useless because in order to use them, great sacrifices have to be made to fly a phoenix, which performs worse than the Naglfar.
I expect people to complain to me that I should be happy that my naglfar performs better than a phoenix, but just anything performs better than a phoenix, and no one would ever train for one.

I finished training capital torps and cruises (just in case you know) JUUST as they announced the nag would lose its launchers. so i never even got to fire them

Am I mad about that? Nope, not in the least. As people say, you never know what the future holds and having it trained is always nice. You at least got use out of your capital missile skills, I still havent fired a single capital missile.

Things change, and as long as the skill is still useful and it is then why whine. I swear it is like super pilots and drones all over again but on a much smaller scale.