Seems that i hit the sensible case. you know what ? only truth hurts. False religion for joking and trolling at best, or a bunch of totaly nuts griefers, in anyway, the result is the same. Without hisec miners, you'll never have anything to fly on. They are part of the economy and really don't need a crazy sheperd coming from god know where.

I can't stop laughing when i see you all trying to justify yourself.

See, this is the funniest part. I'm not a member of the New Order. Not even an egent. If you'd bothered to do your research, even in *this* thread, you'd have known that.

Hook, line, and sinker. How does it feel to be a fish?

And ? you expressed your point of view, i expressed mine. that you are actually part or just agree with them or even just doing this for the sake of being a "forum warrior" whatever. the result is the same, you/they can do it because the game allow it, but trying to justify it by a "religious" belief, or roleplay is weird.

Your powers of necromancy are fearsome.

But in a good cause.

Did you somehow miss the bit where the religious zealotry and roleplay are satire? Not to mention really really effective at producing hilarious chat logs.

The problem is you think the PvP started when the ganker pressed F1.

You are aware that you can shoot fleetmembers without concord bothering to check if this friendly fire truly IS friendly ?

I am harder to bite than a mining barge.

You can hide it behind all the lame roleplay or false religion that you want, the truth is that you do it because you find it funny and don't want to take any risk in low/null sec. Nothing else than that don't pretend to be saviors of anything that just laughtable.

Game Mechanics allow you to do that, you've learn how to dodge concord or pull them far enough to prenvent them to come in time.
But it's a PvE fight. shooting at an unarmed barge after pulling some NPC ? you call it PvP ?

I think the RP aspect is very relevant actually, and DOES justify this activity. HiSec, without any element of risk, can be pretty boring. New Order and their band of merry murderers are spicing things up in the systems they operate in by adding risk to a profession that is so damned boring it's not funny.

RP aside, they're also doing a favor to those who actively mine... while at their keys, for the minerals they need. It can be infuriating as a miner who's trying to eke out a living by harvesting some resources for their industrial projects, only to have a swarm of afk bot-wannabes drop into their belt and procede to devour all the roids in record time.

Rather than whinge, criticize or suggest these folks go to null/lowsec my recommendation is to adapt. If you must think of mining as a PVE activity, don't forget the E part of that. Your environment is more than the pretty space backdrop you float in, the other players in the game do influence it. If you fail to adapt to changes in said environment then you are going to have a a hard time with it.

Personally, I've never had a barge/exhumer ganked, but that's not for lack of trying. On the occasions I've had folks try generally by the time they started locking onto me I was already well into warping away. The only reason I wasn't space junk in those situations is that I never for one second assumed I was safe. I have to admit, it also made mining almost exciting when that happened tho. Not afraid of losing my ship any more, more worried about getting popped while driving something that's shitfit, as it's just embarrassing.

false religion

There is another kind?

false religion

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Do what?

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Do what?

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You are aware that you can shoot fleetmembers without concord bothering to check if this friendly fire truly IS friendly ?

So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom

The challenge is the combating the widespread bot-aspirancy. We've been at this for a year now but there are still many hisec systems filled with filthy afk and bot-like scum. We will persevere, though, we have the resolve.

If you're regularly passing out you may have a serious health issue, for a mere 10m I will provide my E-Doctor services

Truthfully, their targets pose no challenge whatsoever, because they're not playing the game. A miner who is actually playing the game can take any number of measures to ensure that they don't get ganked... and I'm not talking about buying a permit. Hell, being at the keys is half the battle. Spending that idle time while waiting for the strips to cycle doing things like checking local and fiddling with Derpscan can drastically increase a miner's chance of survival. Whenever this debate comes up I keep thinking of the opening scene from "Way of The Gun"... "there are some fights you just can't win, however, you can ruin the other guy's victory" or something like that... With a little effort and the whole paying attention thing you can completely ****-block a gank attempt. Or you can make it so all they see is your tail-lights receding into the distance as they try to lock on. Miners are NOT helpless, we just tend to have a lot of bad habits we need to shed if we intend on surviving in the world of New Eden.

So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom