As a "sub cap 4 life" kind of player this is all paraphrased from those other threads. However, I still don't see how to over come the slaves vs crystals issues.

chimera is mostly fine, just needs like, 5% more CPU.

Slaves aren't an issue anymore. An archon+slaves gets about equal hp as a chimera.

er no. I have both carriers and the archon alone has 200 thousand more EHP than the chimera. Now add slaves and you got a heck of alot more EHP for the archon. The problem is that shield caps need something of equal implants as slaves and armor sub-caps needs something of equal implants as crystals.

Until then armor caps are king with slave implants (archons are easier to fit too!)

Discuss.

My guess would be that it's because you can fit a passive tank on the Archon and it'd work great... Not so much the chimaera.

And less cap transfer dependency since it's so easy to disrupt for a ship of this size and value, but it's only my opinion.

Implants are completly irrelevant in large capital-fleets, unless we are talking about supers(which we obviously are not). As the capital-clone is often the same clone used for Rokhs, Abaddons, Maelstroms, etc. you will rarely find Slave-Sets in a Carrier-Pod(still talking about large capital-fleets), just check the killboards.

We might very well see Chimeras used as a defensive tool when it-¦s about defending POSes, stations and other Sov-Structures. The reason why armor-fleets will still be king on the offensive is because the structure-grind makes you want to bring your super-fleet to finish it quickly and super-fleets are and will be armor for a very long time.

Implants are not completely irrelevant at the capital level. I'd say they still play a role in WH space capital use. I guess that's where all the pimp fit meta/faction module capitals are as well.
-Liang

the only implants that have any real bearing on carriers are capacitor implants.
dedicated carrier pilots in WHs will almost always have the 2 genolution implants and both 5% cap implants.

slaves are a waste on carriers in pretty much any situation I can think of tbh.
if youre triage fit, the extra EHP is irrelevant and if youre buffer RR fit, youre going to be in a large scale fleet where it wont make any difference either.

say what?
chimera has the best cap of any carrier so not really sure what youre on about.

The Chimera could use an extra low slot and some more CPU, as it is pretty much a requirement to have the lows currently filled with faction power relays, which is ridiculous.

There just isn't room for a DCU II either, and using less than 4 power relays doesn't make sense, because of the cap recharge bonus not being stacking penalized but the shield boost penalty is stacking penalized. CPR still reduce the tank, unlike the armor carriers (and using rechargers in the mids). CCP Fozzie also wants to nerf the resist bonus too.

The Chimera also tends to be slow recovering capacitor, which is especially noticeable after jumping and having to jump again; the Chimeras always seem to be last to be ready. Also operating with 10% cap isn't really practical as it is with an Archon. Shield repping is also less energy efficient than armor repping.

Next try to fit a full rack of shield transporters (3 and a local rep is not very practical, which is another reason why the Dominion trailer is wacked). The Archon can have a full rack of remote armor reps.

you dont really fly a chimera do you?

the only thing youre right about is that shield tanking takes slightly more cap.

both fit 3 remote reps/transfers and 1 cap transfer.

now, start throwing isk at both, like WH people are want to do, and see what happens.
chimera gets WAY better than the archon with high levels of pimp in all stats.

you dont really fly a chimera do you? the only thing youre right about is that shield tanking takes slightly more cap.
comparing a standard archon triage fit to a standard chimera triage fit:
tank is identical (3 slot tank, same meta level)
cap recharge is identical (+852/s)
both fit 3 remote reps/transfers and 1 cap transfer.

only difference is that the chimera needs to fit 2 meta high slots due to CPU where the archon doesnt.

now, start throwing isk at both, like WH people are want to do, and see what happens.
chimera gets WAY better than the archon with high levels of pimp in all stats.

say what?
chimera has the best cap of any carrier so not really sure what youre on about.

Citadel missiles, cpu issues, and the lack of capital shield buffer mods. I think that sums it up.