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Akali Kuvakei
Knights of the Forge
H-K Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.25 00:34:00 -
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I think the game has a issue of balance in regards to them not showing up in high sec, except for the occasional belt rats. Would be cool to get them every so often in missions. I mean its not like asking for officer rats, that null gets aswell. its time the people of high sec get. some faction love and goodness aswell. |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1118
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Posted - 2013.05.25 00:42:00 -
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0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative.
CCP has no sense of humour. |
Sarmatiko
1144
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Posted - 2013.05.25 00:55:00 -
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FYI faction rats appear on missions like World's Collide and Blockade. Just not so frequently as you'll probably want.
If you like "normal" faction spawns - exploration is your choice.
-¥ |
Pitrolo Orti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.05.25 02:26:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf highsec thread
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
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Fernando MRuiz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.05.25 02:32:00 -
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Dip below 0.7 and you'll start to find more and more amusement, trust me.
"One must, in one's life, make a choice between boredom and suffering." - Mme. Germaine de Sta+½l |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5161
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Posted - 2013.05.25 02:51:00 -
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Fernando MRuiz wrote:Dip below 0.5 and you'll start to find more and more amusement, trust me.
FTFY
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Baikur
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 03:01:00 -
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You can find plenty by using the ship scanner and warping to Hideaways |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
242
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Posted - 2013.05.25 03:37:00 -
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Akali Kuvakei wrote:I think the game has a issue of balance in regards to them not showing up in high sec, except for the occasional belt rats. Would be cool to get them every so often in missions. I mean its not like asking for officer rats, that null gets aswell. its time the people of high sec get. some faction love and goodness aswell.
Realistically:
When was the last time you saw a mob underboss go to a heavily-patrolled area to conduct his end of the business?
That's what I thought.
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
242
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Posted - 2013.05.25 03:40:00 -
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Pitrolo Orti wrote:Posting in a stealth nerf highsec thread
No, actually, it's a pretty blatant *buff* highsec thread.
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
286
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Posted - 2013.05.25 10:40:00 -
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In terms of EVE risk vs reward is what everyone goes to. Here however is a great opportunity to create such a thing. Cap stable mission pilot thinks hey I'm gonna go do some missions. Meanwhile in null sec the dreaded 0.0ers get a pain down the back of their neck. As they fly from belt to belt in BLUE space with intel on every gate. Worried that the one guy that isn't blue to them in local will kill them risking all the isk they are making from complexes, rats, and harvesting valuable resources. Enough talk about those guys though... Back to that horrible player using a system that deserves a nerf.
As this cap stable mission pilot flies into his mission however he gets jammed because well he doesn't care to use ECCM. So he thinks what ever I'll use my drones, releasing them into the cold vacuum of space they are near instantly killed by disgruntled body guards who are tired of cleaning up after kruul while the damsel is over. Before our missioner can react he notices oddly enough his cap is being drained. Warp scrambled, statis webbed, nos'd, and without drones, he looks over in horror at his overview. An officer with his body guards has just shown up to stay at the pleasure garden. He dislikes that you are planning to take his entertainment away from him.
The missioner tries to align in vain as his omni tanked ship he was to lazy to mission specific gets bombarded by unexpected damage. He cries out in local for help, but this is eve... No one cares! The last thought that flashes into his mind as the ship explodes like a pinata at a tequila fueled Hispanic party is. I just bought those A-type pithum invulnerability fields because I like to never pay off my investments!
You guys are right. Better nerf missions. Adding new and interesting mechanics that would add risk to them instead would be ludicrous.
Join a Heroic Era today! |
Tiffgrl Donier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:11:00 -
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Sounds fine as it is. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6655
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:12:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:
You guys are right. Better nerf missions. Adding new and interesting mechanics that would add risk to them instead would be ludicrous.
Lets do both. |
Adunh Slavy
856
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:04:00 -
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No thanks. Rare things are fun to find because they are rare. Make them too common and no one cares. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:20:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative.
Yep, if you define lucrative as poverty-line.
In Eve Online, no matter how hard you fight, you deserve nothing...you are entitled to nothing.-á In the end you will lose it all, because this is Eve Online. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
250
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:24:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative. Yep, if you define lucrative as poverty-line.
The same kind of people that think the US military enjoys "lavish benefits"..... yeah, ok. Go see a recruiter, and tell me what you think of those "lavish benefits", after about 2 years of collecting them.
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3418
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:34:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative. Yep, if you define lucrative as poverty-line.
The missing part of the sentence you quoted is:
"... for its level of risk."
HS has virtually no sources of risk for those who aren't totally AFK, and the income of high end HS PvE rivals the income of high end Nullsec PvE.
As for poverty line, what are you smoking?
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3443
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Posted - 2013.05.26 14:40:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative. Yep, if you define lucrative as poverty-line.
The poverty line has to be somewhere. It happens to be hisec because the stuff we do in hisec is easy enough to do with half your brain turned off. Thus everything that happens in hisec is by definition the "unskilled labour" of the EVE universe.
Based on that, look to ice harvesting as your minimal possible income. Now measure what you are doing against ice harvesting. If you aren't making more ISK per hour of effort from what you're doing rather than ice harvesting, you're probably doing it wrong.
When you're running L4 missions, the easiest way to boost your ISK/hr is to run missions for corporations whose LP is worth more ISK than other corporations, then maximise the LP/hr you make for that corporation. This usually involves blitzing missions. Collecting faction loot from faction spawns would mean shooting more targets and actually looting stuff, which will eat into your LP/hr and thus ISK/hr.
So really, you're better off blitzing missions and not having faction elite spawns. Especially when you consider the extra time it will take to shoot faction elite spawns, which typically have much tougher tanks than regular NPCs.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
436
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Posted - 2013.05.26 19:25:00 -
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NO SOUP FOR YOU!
NEXT!
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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iskflakes
464
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Posted - 2013.05.26 20:04:00 -
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Highsec has too much reward already, level 4 missions should be removed.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3447
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:13:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Highsec has too much reward already, level 4 missions should be removed.
I love how you make this unsubstantiated claim that "hisec has too much reward already", then immediately leap to the conclusion that "level 4 missions should be removed".
The most rewarding activity in the game is trading, and the only reason hisec trading is so profitable is because nullsec alliances engage in the abhorrent behaviour of "Jita runs". Removing level 4 missions isn't going to address the "Jita runs" issue at all. What will address that issue is making logistics harder, removing the capacity for Jita 4-4 to serve as such a large market hub, and increasing the capacity for null sec industry. At that point hisec will be well and truly neutered without any requirement of removing L4 missions from anywhere.
Some ideas I've had for rescuing nullsec from themselves:
Of course a lot of combat pilots who run missions in hisec to cover their personal ship replacements in null sec might be wondering "what does industry have to do with anything". The news I have for you guys is that removing L4s from hisec isn't going to stop you running missions in hisec to pay for your nullsec losses. That's a decision you made when you chose not to belt rat, run anomalies, run incursions, run exploration sites or get involved in industry in nullsec. HTFU and stop expecting the game to be changed to force you to play the way you wish you could play.
For the clever people, there are local markets to supply and exploit. There's more money to be made from trading than manufacturing, invention, mining or blowing stuff up.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
493
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:16:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Highsec has too much reward already, level 4 missions should be removed.
No one is stopping you from taking advantage of them yourself.
*removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2537
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:18:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative. Yep, if you define lucrative as poverty-line. The missing part of the sentence you quoted is: "... for its level of risk." HS has virtually no sources of risk for those who aren't totally AFK, and the income of high end HS PvE rivals the income of high end Nullsec PvE.
1) Open map/starmap/stars/statistics/ships destroyed in the last hour.
2) Now mouse over the big red spots.
3) Look at the security status of those systems.
4) Consider what you just said about risk.
5) Bluster out some weird justification for your total ignorance.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
baltec1
Bat Country
6679
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:23:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:1) Open map/starmap/stars/statistics/ships destroyed in the last hour. 2) Now mouse over the big red spots. 3) Look at the security status of those systems. 4) Consider what you just said about risk. 5) Bluster out some weird justification for your total ignorance. Mr Epeen
Now look at population.
See that high sec has a fraction of ships killed per pilot than any other area of space. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
596
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Posted - 2013.05.26 21:59:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:0/10
High-sec is already way too lucrative.
For CCP.
And some day you will realize it and let it be.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2013.05.26 22:26:00 -
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yes please, hi-sec needs more faction ammo and tags... |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
347
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:05:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Of course a lot of combat pilots who run missions in hisec to cover their personal ship replacements in null sec might be wondering "what does industry have to do with anything". The news I have for you guys is that removing L4s from hisec isn't going to stop you running missions in hisec to pay for your nullsec losses. That's a decision you made when you chose not to belt rat, run anomalies, run incursions, run exploration sites or get involved in industry in nullsec. HTFU and stop expecting the game to be changed to force you to play the way you wish you could play.
Please, belt ratting is dead. You can make more in highsec running L4s. Run anomalies, sure, but with L4s I don't have to run and hide when a hostile gang rolls through. Run incursions, yea CCP derailed that ISK train, plus my alts gear score is too low to join the leet pimped PvE safe highsec club. Exploration, yea i'll just...darn it someone is already running that one, what about this...someone is already dong it, let me probe down this other...dangit another wormhole, what about this one...wow a salvage site, be still my heart. You know what screw exploration. Since I can't compete with the number and "virtually" free highsec slots nulsec industry is a joke, not to mention the desert that nul is for low end materials, so don't tell me to HTFU when higsec holds all the advantages.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:07:00 -
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I had a little True Sancha frig show up whilst I was mining in a 0.5 earlier today. ***** dropped a True Sancha crystal (whooohooo!) and a tag.  |
Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1835
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:33:00 -
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Akali Kuvakei wrote:I think the game has a issue of balance in regards to them not showing up in high sec, except for the occasional belt rats. Would be cool to get them every so often in missions. I mean its not like asking for officer rats, that null gets aswell. its time the people of high sec get. some faction love and goodness aswell.
Totally agree. High sec missions should have Faction rats, they just shouldn't drop any faction modules.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen
Silent Ascension
29
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Posted - 2013.05.26 23:46:00 -
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Pitrolo Orti wrote:Posting in a stealth nerf highsec thread
Null-sec needing a giant buff-hammer hit doesn't mean high-sec couldn't use a small one.
Thinking like that is why we can't have nice things.
Don't feed the trolls. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
253
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Posted - 2013.05.27 01:07:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Akali Kuvakei wrote:I think the game has a issue of balance in regards to them not showing up in high sec, except for the occasional belt rats. Would be cool to get them every so often in missions. I mean its not like asking for officer rats, that null gets aswell. its time the people of high sec get. some faction love and goodness aswell. Totally agree. High sec missions should have Faction rats, they just shouldn't drop any faction modules.
I stick to what I said before. Faction rats, in highsec is about the same as a mob underboss lowering himself to selling product on frequently patrolled streets. That's not how real organized crime operates.
Faction rats should only show up in low and null. Period.
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
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