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Captin ShadowHawk	Posted - 2005.10.25 00:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Captin ShadowHawk on 25/10/2005 00:49:00 I've seen many different posts on domi. I was wondering if i people use a gank setup with shield tank in the mids hi 6x 250's anti matter mid shield extender 3 x hardners 1x large booster 2 low 7x mag stab 2's oh yeah and 13 heavy drones not used this setup but do people use a similar thing? or am i in for an extreme flaming !
jamesw	Posted - 2005.10.25 00:49:00 - [2] 6 x Dual 250 II XL Clarity, 2 x hardeners, warp disruptor, cap injector CPU, 6 dmg mods / 4 dmg mods 2 wcs (for fighting outnumbered). you only need the cpu if u wish to fit tech 2 guns. tech 1 named guns fit without it. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW: Bobbing for Xelas
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 01:07:00 - [3] gankadom is just stupid.. get a megathron.. The domi is only good for shooting if it's tanking, that's where it's most effective. 6 dual 250 II x2 sensor booster II webber disruptor cap recharger II x6 energized adaptive nano membrane II x1 large armo repairer II x7 Beserker II x8 Praetor II gives hac-like resistences as well as a good dmg potential The DPS is high enough to take on other BS. If the BS is under 20km at the get go you'll win unless he noses you. Josh
jamesw	Posted - 2005.10.25 01:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Joshua Keeling gankadom is just stupid.. get a megathron.. The domi is only good for shooting if it's tanking, that's where it's most effective. You didnt notice the tank my the above setup? I can assure you that setup will rip through just about anything 1v1, and often get a kill in a 2v1 and get away. The tank is not a massive one, however it buys enough time to kill gank ships, and is easily able to withstand damage from non-gank ships. Anyone who thinks the gankadom is just stupid is yet to come up against one. It is a truly excellent ship for skirmish fighting. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW: Bobbing for Xelas
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 02:30:00 - [5] If you truly believce that then you must be fighting easier opponents than I ^_^
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.10.25 03:03:00 - [6] Heh, if your depending on luck, your doing something wrong.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.10.25 03:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Joshua Keeling A gankadom does not exist, that is a simple fact. A gank is something that kills overly and excessively. The Megathron can kill overly and excessivley damage wise, no the Dominix (gun wise). Well, a gankkadomi with 15 t2 ogres and good gunnery skills does about 900 DPS on paper IIRC, pretty ganktastic considering the range over blasters.
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 03:14:00 - [8] Yeah but take those ogres away and you reduce DPS by 40 - 50% and gank is also a fast action.. where drones take time to reach their target. When I talk about a gankathron i am talking about railguns not blasters, though they do more dps, the rails are the true gankage in a mega since you need opther factors for blaster range ability. What james uses that Domi for in that vid only proves my point. He has this domi using dual 250mm with a very minimal tank when if he had a megathron using the same tank with 425mm II he would wipe the floor with some of those ships he fought. The Domi is best used as ebing able to massively tank. James, in that battle against the Raven in the first few battles in your vid, an armor tanked domi with 6 energized nano II + 1 large rep II can fully tank that raven, giving me the time to run around and pretty much do whatever i want. So when you say your setup works in all 1v1's ^_^ your own video proved you wrong because your tank was breaking pretty quickly. Armor tanked domi > wannabe gankathron domi
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.10.25 03:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Joshua Keeling if he had a megathron using the same tank with 425mm II he would wipe the floor with some of those ships he fought. Except you can't fit that tank with 425's and a full rack of damage mods ..
jamesw	Posted - 2005.10.25 03:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Joshua Keeling James, in that battle against the Raven in the first few battles in your vid, an armor tanked domi with 6 energized nano II + 1 large rep II can fully tank that raven, giving me the time to run around and pretty much do whatever i want. So when you say your setup works in all 1v1's ^_^ your own video proved you wrong because your tank was breaking pretty quickly. Armor tanked domi > wannabe gankathron domi Thats correct, he broke my tank - (he did it slowly, that vid was played at ~5x speed). However he was also around 50km away, meaning i couldnt hit him and could warp out whenever I wanted. My intent was to do nothing other than keep him interested so I could get a warp scrambler near him. I can assure you that in the time it takes for a raven to break that tank he is well and truly dead. Also, that was pre missile nerf, and for what its worth I rarely see ravens firing torps anymore. To the original topic, the OP is after a "Gank domi" setup, which I provided. The above setup I used pretty much exclusively for around 6 months straight, so I feel i may possibly be qualified to speak for it. Yes, there are any number of armour tank, nos, ew and shield tank setups for the Domi, all of which work very well and none of which belong in this thread. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW: Bobbing for Xelas
jamesw	Posted - 2005.10.25 04:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Joshua Keeling 6 dual 250 II x2 sensor booster II webber disruptor cap recharger II x6 energized adaptive nano membrane II x1 large armo repairer II x7 Beserker II x8 Praetor II Now my turn for questions and suggestions of stupidity..... With stacking - whats your explosive resistance??? Like 50% or something? How do you find it copes with, say, bane torps, with only one repairer? (remember, that does about half the tanking of an xl shield booster) -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia NEW: Bobbing for Xelas
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.10.25 04:10:00 - [12] The gankadomi does indeed Gank... But heres the best part. It tanks rather well too. \o/
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.25 08:26:00 - [13] Dominix does not gank. A Tempest Arty strike is gank. A mad beam/dmg mod geddon is gank. A Blasterthron up close is gank. See what they have in common? They all do massive damage quickly. A Dominix does not gank. Scrambling an opponent and then fighting with him until one of you dies is not ganking. A Dominix is designed for real engagements, where it can put its drones to best use. Anyway, here's one way to set up a Dominix for 1v1 pwnage: Hi: 4x Heavy Nos, 2x Med Nos Med: AB, Webber, Scram, Cap Charger x2 Low: Large Rep, Med Rep, 3x Hardener (normally kin therm exp), 1600mm Plate, WCS I never shirk from a 2v1 with this ship; at the very least, kill one ship and then warp out, WCS is for the win when you use it properly, and people get very upset very easily :P _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:08:00 - [14] ^^ lol like i said. And no i get like 66% epxlosice resists or something.
Chris Henry	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Testy Mctest Dominix does not gank. A Tempest Arty strike is gank. A mad beam/dmg mod geddon is gank. A Blasterthron up close is gank. See what they have in common? They all do massive damage quickly. A Dominix does not gank. Scrambling an opponent and then fighting with him until one of you dies is not ganking. A Dominix is designed for real engagements, where it can put its drones to best use. Anyway, here's one way to set up a Dominix for 1v1 pwnage: Hi: 4x Heavy Nos, 2x Med Nos Med: AB, Webber, Scram, Cap Charger x2 Low: Large Rep, Med Rep, 3x Hardener (normally kin therm exp), 1600mm Plate, WCS I never shirk from a 2v1 with this ship; at the very least, kill one ship and then warp out, WCS is for the win when you use it properly, and people get very upset very easily :P qft 'cept I'd use cap disruptors instead of the med nosses - might as well make sure they don't have ANY cap right? --------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Kill the Bunny.
Rufus Roughneck	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:46:00 - [16] 6x dual250 4x ecm ,1x ab damage mods and 4 wcs. Thats as fine a gankadom as there's any.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Testy Mctest on 25/10/2005 11:50:16 Originally by: Chris Henry Originally by: Testy Mctest Dominix does not gank. A Tempest Arty strike is gank. A mad beam/dmg mod geddon is gank. A Blasterthron up close is gank. See what they have in common? They all do massive damage quickly. A Dominix does not gank. Scrambling an opponent and then fighting with him until one of you dies is not ganking. A Dominix is designed for real engagements, where it can put its drones to best use. Anyway, here's one way to set up a Dominix for 1v1 pwnage: Hi: 4x Heavy Nos, 2x Med Nos Med: AB, Webber, Scram, Cap Charger x2 Low: Large Rep, Med Rep, 3x Hardener (normally kin therm exp), 1600mm Plate, WCS I never shirk from a 2v1 with this ship; at the very least, kill one ship and then warp out, WCS is for the win when you use it properly, and people get very upset very easily :P qft 'cept I'd use cap disruptors instead of the med nosses - might as well make sure they don't have ANY cap right? Yep, could do. Think you can even use bigger ones with better skills than I've got. I just like the all-nos approach, since it means when solo PvPing, you can often do the 2v1 thing. I'm addicted to nos. I have a nos-phoon and a nos-pest, and even a nos-scorp. In fact...I need nos....I need it now. NOOOWWW!!! /me runs off to find some nos in work (PS Edit: EW also rocks on Domi, but like I said, I'm a nos man. And I don't want to post every setup I use :P ) _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Paul123	Posted - 2005.10.25 12:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Rufus Roughneck Edited by: Rufus Roughneck on 25/10/2005 11:47:03 6x dual250 4x ecm ,1x scram damage mods and 4 wcs. Thats as fine a gankadom as there's any. A rack of 350II fits with a full rack of damage mods, would they not be better to use?
Plim	Posted - 2005.10.25 12:12:00 - [19] It certainly does gank, I have the 14 killmails from one battle to prove it -----------------
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.10.25 12:23:00 - [20] /me considers writing a glossary of terms to explain words such as 'gank' to people. _______________________________ cd /usr/everaces/minmatar more\|moaning
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 18:23:00 - [21] Lol people don't know what the word gank means. Gank does not = kill gank = excessive fast overkill kill domi is incapable of this.. sorry to burst any bubbles ^_^. The domi can kill but it cannot gank it kills slowly.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.25 18:40:00 - [22] "gank = excessive fast overkill kill domi is incapable of this.." Land on top of the other guy, launch drones, fire guns and watch the target die to combined 900 dps out of the box before they have time to type "wtf" in local. No difference from gankageddon or gankathron which also need to get within their optimal in order to dish out their damage. People got so enamored with the cap sucking dominix they can no longer imagine it'd be used for something different...
Joshua Keeling	Posted - 2005.10.25 18:51:00 - [23] landing on top of the target isnt considered having to "get into optimal" in a domi? The megathron can do the same and massively out damage the dominix. To be consider a gank you have to be up in the tempest/mega/geddon damage dealing range, the dominix is incapable of this.
symbi0te	Posted - 2005.10.25 19:10:00 - [24] Originally by: jamesw Edited by: jamesw on 25/10/2005 01:39:54 Originally by: Joshua Keeling gankadom is just stupid.. get a megathron.. The domi is only good for shooting if it's tanking, that's where it's most effective. You didnt notice the tank my the above setup? I can assure you that setup will rip through just about anything 1v1, and often get a kill in a 2v1 and get away. The tank is not a massive one, however it buys enough time to kill gank ships, and is easily able to withstand damage from non-gank ships. Anyone who thinks the gankadom is just stupid is yet to come up against one. It is a truly excellent ship for skirmish fighting. Edit: See it in action that was a great video enjoyed the ownage
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.10.25 19:11:00 - [25] "landing on top of the target isnt considered having to "get into optimal" in a domi? The megathron can do the same and massively out damage the dominix." Well, if your optimal is short then yup, landing close to target will be getting into one. Just like for the megathron you mention. "To be consider a gank you have to be up in the tempest/mega/geddon damage dealing range, the dominix is incapable of this." Tempest deals ~550 dps tops iirc, and the only thing it has going is the massive alpha strike. As you can see, dominix outdamages it easily, and the only reason it's excluded from that list is pretty much, it doesn't fit what you consider to be a "gank ship"... (btw, Tempest salvo damage is just like Raven's salvo damage... doesn't that make Raven shooting point-blank the gank ship, too, by your own definition? o.O;
Akaviri	Posted - 2005.10.25 19:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Joshua Keeling To be consider a gank you have to be up in the tempest/mega/geddon damage dealing range, the dominix is incapable of this. FYI, a Dominix can outdamage a Tempest. Period. An Electron Blaster II Dominix w/7 Mag Stab II's outdamages a Tempest w/800mm II's and 6 gyrostab II's by about 20 dmg/sec and that doesn't even bring drones into the picture. If you include drones then the gap widens to about 280 dmg/sec in favor of the Domi. The extra two highslots (for missles or smartbombs) on the Tempest just aren't enough to cover this damage gap. 800mm II Tempest: 874.96 dmg/sec (1049.2 including drones) Electron II Dominix: 896.27 dmg/sec (1331.87 including drones) Do people usually use a setup like this on a Dom? No, because the dual 250 setup is more flexible. But it just goes to show that the Domi can indeed gank. The Mega and Geddon still do more damage though, both around 150 dmg/sec more than the Dominix. If you still want to say the Dominix can't gank using that damage definition, then you'll have to say the Tempest can't gank either.
Grut	Posted - 2005.10.25 19:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Akaviri The Mega and Geddon still do more damage though, both around 150 dmg/sec more than the Dominix. If you still want to say the Dominix can't gank using that damage definition, then you'll have to say the Tempest can't gank either. & a gank setup domi will tank roughly 200dps go figure Mostly harmless
Nybbas	Posted - 2005.10.25 22:21:00 - [28] yeah you are wrong. If what they are saying is true, about the 900dps+ from a dom, it surely can and does gank.
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.10.29 17:04:00 - [29] Gank setup dominix, or rather jam æem and spank æem: 6x 350mm II 1x Sensor booster II 4x Remote sensor Damp II 7x Magnetic field stab. II 15 Ogre I 618 DPS at 27Km with large Railgun Spec IV, everything else at V (inc all drone skills), additional 330DPS for the Ogres, total 948 DPS Swap the Ogre I's for Ogre II's and that goes up to 1046 DPS I guess I'll miss the firepower, but the Combat revisited changes will be awesome nonetheless... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.10.29 17:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Masta Killa This gankadom gets into a 1v2, kills 1 and flees while a damp raven gets into the same fight but kills both. I'd love to try out the gankadom some day though because it'll ravage frig gangs while a raven either narrowly escapes it or gets wtfpwnt. All depends on the range and how smart you are with assigning damps to specfic ships... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"

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