Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.

Eve will remain inherently broken until links get nerfed to hell AND brought on grid.

Sadly, CCP will never get rid of OGB. Just got to deal with it.

Define fair. Not seen one definition that has a place in eve

Define fair. Not seen one definition that has a place in eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTro3hBqdc - if i wasnt boosted would that have been a fair fight?

This.
OGB is CCP's stealth 'Gold Ammo'/'Pay To Win' option.

Pay for one account, and you may/may not get fair fights when you play.
Pay for two accounts and you can fight with an unfair advantage and not even have to show others on your killboard.

It's not going anywhere!

Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.

Bring your own, problem solved.

It makes literally ZERO sense from a business perspective for them to remove OGB, I mean sure, it will appeal to the whining masses; but boosts are used in roles outside of PvP- If you want to stay competitive do what you have to do. It's not like Shadow Cartel doesn't drop Triage in fights against people incapable of dropping Triage; why should people who actually paid for and trained an alt to fill that role have that time taken away from them because you're unwilling to do it?

This is coming from someone without a Leadership alt.

Bring your own, problem solved.

It makes literally ZERO sense from a business perspective for them to remove OGB, I mean sure, it will appeal to the whining masses; but boosts are used in roles outside of PvP- If you want to stay competitive do what you have to do. It's not like Shadow Cartel doesn't drop Triage in fights against people incapable of dropping Triage; why should people who actually paid for and trained an alt to fill that role have that time taken away from them because you're unwilling to do it?

This is coming from someone without a Leadership alt.

Bringing your own really isn't an option when you're solo roaming unless you are a massive faglord.

Needing to lug around an alt to fight other "solo" pilots on equal footing is HORRIBLE gameplay.. The "Bring your own" argument is ********.

This coming from someone who actually has a maxed out link alt.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2153406#post2153406

195 days ago Fozzie and still no update.

I respect that you guys are crazy busy and there's a lot of cool stuff coming with Odyssey but can we please get an update on mindlinks/ganglinks/ongrid boosting.

love you long time

When we have any timelines to report we'll report them, in the meantime all I can say is that it will happen sometime between now and the end of time. Very likely closer to now than to the end of time, but those things are hard to be certain about.

Jonas Sukarala
:) so what is the hold up with offgrid boosting?..... surely putting a range on links would solve the problem ... like a bubble effect

It's a performance optimization problem. We could turn on range-based boosting in Odyssey but it would melt all the servers.

And this isn't being delayed by Odyssey, the team working on the underlying code that will make ongrid boosting possible (along with many other things) isn't releasing anything in Odyssey. It's just that big of a project.

So like I said before, at some point CCP Veritas will make all my ganglink-related dreams come true but I honestly do not know when that point will be. When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.

paritybit
I imagine that the difference is that a bubble effect only has to be checked every time a player tries to warp but links are a persistent effect and would have to be constantly checked to ensure range. This is probably okay for small numbers, but once you get 500 ships on a grid (or even in a system) then you have to check range for every ship at some high rate, meaning lots more operations that have to hit the server.

I also imagine they've thought of this, but maybe it could work sort of like a smartbomb effect but with a bigger effect radius and just happen once every 15 seconds or something.

Or maybe the check could happen upon landing on a grid or when a booster activates or deactivates (including when initiating warp) the link and then persists until the next check.

The guys at CCP are smart and I expect they'll figure it out in time without causing time dilation in systems with only 2 ships in space.

Your thoughts and words are correct and intelligent.

Once the underlying code finishes getting rewritten from the ground up we'll have plenty of options for how to apply links in interesting ways that create interesting gameplay experiences. At the moment we don't have any of those options.

So I do honestly welcome people's cool ideas about what form gang links could take. Don't limit yourself to small changes to the status quo, because it turns out with this system small changes aren't necessarily any faster to implement than off the wall changes.

+1 agreed eve is moulded on not being fair and harsh...

I disagree, Improved gameplay = more subscribers

Removing OGB will make CCP money in the long run.. especially since 95% of people won't unsub their alts.. just re-purpose them for the next lamest thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTro3hBqdc - if i wasnt boosted would that have been a fair fight?

Couldn't that same argument have been applied to Learning Skills before they got rid of them? Back when we didn't know if we were going to get refunded skill points.

Bringing your own really isn't an option when you're solo roaming unless you are a massive faglord.

...I later barged into a plex with same hookbill as it was guarded by two autocannon thrashers and forced both thrashers out (sadly a misclick costed me a killmail).

So perhaps that was skill or idiot-savant ability trait to do Eve related math. Many others use multiple OGB to be untouchable and think they are the hottest s.it around...

Tell me more about solo gameplay in an MMO; the only thing worse than that guy in highsec bashing his head against a wall of level 4 missions and deriving some sort of pleasure out of his little bubble of solo game play, are the massive 'faglords' who try and apply that principle to PvP.

If you want to solo, you're at a disadvantage and you know it- complaining about it just makes you look mentally deficient.

How is training a character in a pointess remap for almost 3 months (not counting actual ship skills) and sitting them in a completely vulnerable ship not 'fair and balanced'. I know first hand what the capital capabilities of the Amarr Militia are, and laying siege to a few small POSes should be simple enough; if you don't like OGB alts in FW space, then take some initiative and kill the damn towers; I promise you the end result is far more rewarding than crying on the forums.

End result of killing small towers is usually another tower anchored in no time - they cost less then two tech 2 fitted cruisers these days.

Then again, trying to argue with you is not worth the effort. After all, I wouldn't expect a person who's average count on killmail is 30+ and most solo kills are done camping eggle gates in an arty loki (lemme guess, boosted?) to understand any argument being presented in this thread.

I'm still pretty new, but it seems to me that Eve is all about risk=reward. If you want to plug a bunch of expensive implants in you will have an advantage over others, but you also have the risk of losing your pod and costing you a bunch of isk. If you want the advantage of a boost, you should have the risk of possibly losing the boosting ship.

I'm in a small alliance

I'm rather curious as to how you can derive associated intellect from killboard statistics though- do explain.

, apparently we're pretty good at fleet PvP... I'm not a solo PvPer and never claimed to be...

I have no problems getting people to wreck towers with me though