I have large projectile turret 5 finishing in 4 hours. I would love to be able to apply the SKILLBOOK for Large Autocannon Spec itself to the queue to automatically plug in and train to 1 after LPT5 finishes. I've already got MAcS4, so all that remains is LPT5.

If I were to stop LPT5 for any reason, then LAcS would be removed, and the skill never injected. Thoughts?

Just put a filler skill after LPT5 that you'll then swap for Spec skill. Filler should be a skill that you want to train sometime afterwards so you wont waste time.

If you queued a Skill to train after a pre-req e.g. Exhumers after Astrogeology 5 but then subsequently cancelled that Skill Plan that skill should still be injected even if untrained. This would add some risk=reward and balance the QoL enhancement.

The 2nd option can be a lot harsher on diverting from the skill queue, but prevents abuse and code overload. Another balancing aspect would be something along the lines of "The skill queue can only handle 1 injection per 24 hours."

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

I can't think of any tbh. But someone once suggested there should be some sort of consequence to allow this. They felt that being able to inject a skill and move it without the chance of loss, goes against the grain so to speak. I do see their point.

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

Yeah that was the only thing that I could think of.

But one has to weigh if allowing to inject all skills is a better experience rather than allowing the destruction of skills (which then has a negative effect on that player experience).

I am more inclined to say that it should be fine to allow you to inject the skills, as you can't reverse that. And that skill destruction would continue to happen when skills are being transported en mass (for example into null sec).

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

So instead make a skill injectable/queue-able when the level 5 pre-req is in the training queue and remove it if they remove the pre-req from the queue.

The concept of skillbooks becomes kind of pointless. Think of it: "Hey, did you sit in Jita for 4hours and buy/inject every single skillbook yet?"

It'd be just a monotonous proccess which we'd end up doing, not out of neccessity... but out of the convenience of being able to buy and inject all skills, it becomes inconvenient to sit there and buy/inject allt he skills.

So instead make a skill injectable/queue-able when the level 5 pre-req is in the training queue and remove it if they remove the pre-req from the queue.

I pretty much agree with this.


Not a terrible idea, but I could see it being potentially buggy. The idea I like best so far is queuing up the injection of the book. It's not without its own issues, though... you'd need to require that when the time comes, the pilot and book are both in the same station, and that could cause some frustration with people who don't quite understand how it works.

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

I'm also not sure if there is a great benefit in introducing an even more complex rule set in injection as it is now.

Definitely some interesting edge cases and caveats that come with this.

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

I'm also not sure if there is a great benefit in introducing an even more complex rule set in injection as it is now.

Definitely some interesting edge cases and caveats that come with this.