I have large projectile turret 5 finishing in 4 hours. I would love to be able to apply the SKILLBOOK for Large Autocannon Spec itself to the queue to automatically plug in and train to 1 after LPT5 finishes. I've already got MAcS4, so all that remains is LPT5.

If I were to stop LPT5 for any reason, then LAcS would be removed, and the skill never injected. Thoughts?

Just put a filler skill after LPT5 that you'll then swap for Spec skill. Filler should be a skill that you want to train sometime afterwards so you wont waste time.

If you queued a Skill to train after a pre-req e.g. Exhumers after Astrogeology 5 but then subsequently cancelled that Skill Plan that skill should still be injected even if untrained. This would add some risk=reward and balance the QoL enhancement.

The 2nd option can be a lot harsher on diverting from the skill queue, but prevents abuse and code overload. Another balancing aspect would be something along the lines of "The skill queue can only handle 1 injection per 24 hours."

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

I can't think of any tbh. But someone once suggested there should be some sort of consequence to allow this. They felt that being able to inject a skill and move it without the chance of loss, goes against the grain so to speak. I do see their point.

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

Yeah that was the only thing that I could think of.

But one has to weigh if allowing to inject all skills is a better experience rather than allowing the destruction of skills (which then has a negative effect on that player experience).

I am more inclined to say that it should be fine to allow you to inject the skills, as you can't reverse that. And that skill destruction would continue to happen when skills are being transported en mass (for example into null sec).

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

So instead make a skill injectable/queue-able when the level 5 pre-req is in the training queue and remove it if they remove the pre-req from the queue.

The concept of skillbooks becomes kind of pointless. Think of it: "Hey, did you sit in Jita for 4hours and buy/inject every single skillbook yet?"

It'd be just a monotonous proccess which we'd end up doing, not out of neccessity... but out of the convenience of being able to buy and inject all skills, it becomes inconvenient to sit there and buy/inject allt he skills.

So instead make a skill injectable/queue-able when the level 5 pre-req is in the training queue and remove it if they remove the pre-req from the queue.

I pretty much agree with this.


Not a terrible idea, but I could see it being potentially buggy. The idea I like best so far is queuing up the injection of the book. It's not without its own issues, though... you'd need to require that when the time comes, the pilot and book are both in the same station, and that could cause some frustration with people who don't quite understand how it works.

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

I'm also not sure if there is a great benefit in introducing an even more complex rule set in injection as it is now.

Definitely some interesting edge cases and caveats that come with this.

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

I'm also not sure if there is a great benefit in introducing an even more complex rule set in injection as it is now.

Definitely some interesting edge cases and caveats that come with this.

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.....

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

I'm also not sure if there is a great benefit in introducing an even more complex rule set in injection as it is now.

Definitely some interesting edge cases and caveats that come with this.

set injected, but unlearned skillbooks as "temporary implants" for slot 11-14 to keep a hard limit on the amount of books able to inject

Yeah that was the only thing that I could think of.

But one has to weigh if allowing to inject all skills is a better experience rather than allowing the destruction of skills (which then has a negative effect on that player experience).

I am more inclined to say that it should be fine to allow you to inject the skills, as you can't reverse that. And that skill destruction would continue to happen when skills are being transported en mass (for example into null sec).

I say implement a 1 second "Auto Inject" que slot into the skill que.[...]

I agree. The consequence will be that you could basically sit in a station, inject all skills and then be free. Then I start to wonder if then having skills on the market and as an item is even relevant anymore. Then we could just allow you to buy them directly in the sheet when you would need them.

Yeah that was the only thing that I could think of.

But one has to weigh if allowing to inject all skills is a better experience rather than allowing the destruction of skills (which then has a negative effect on that player experience).

I am more inclined to say that it should be fine to allow you to inject the skills, as you can't reverse that. And that skill destruction would continue to happen when skills are being transported en mass (for example into null sec).

how about if you get podded you loose the injected untrained skill?

Why?

risk vrs reward.

I am not sure why a risk vs. reward argument applies here tbh unless you think the current system is lacking risk.

its not the current system that has no risk its the proposed system of being able to inject a skill you currently can not train to level I on and have no chance to loose it is where the risk vrs reward would be missing.

Yeah that was the only thing that I could think of.

But one has to weigh if allowing to inject all skills is a better experience rather than allowing the destruction of skills (which then has a negative effect on that player experience).

I am more inclined to say that it should be fine to allow you to inject the skills, as you can't reverse that. And that skill destruction would continue to happen when skills are being transported en mass (for example into null sec).

I don't see any "harmful consequences", also, the argument of "carrying" is void, since you can't unplug the book and sell it to return the investment..

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

I can't think of any tbh. But someone once suggested there should be some sort of consequence to allow this. They felt that being able to inject a skill and move it without the chance of loss, goes against the grain so to speak. I do see their point.

This.

And as far as checks and balances, why not just make it so that only a skill book that's next in the logical path can be injected, like the example the OP gives, and the current 24hr max que period would still apply. To simplify it, if I was training the last skill needed for Large Blaster Spec to be injected but I was missing one skill to inject Large Railgun Spec, then once I was under the 24 que, I would only be capable of injecting the Blaster Spec skill (the only of those 2 that's next in the logical path). Ofc, if I had ALL skills completed except say Large Hybrid Weapons 5 then I would be capable of injecting BOTH the Blaster and the Railgun Specs once enough time was free in the que.

It's certainly a reasonable thing to ask for, and other than skill book movement throughout New Eden I don't see how it would imbalance the game.

Or, how about, a 5m timer, to prevent abuse. You want to use auto-inject? Wait 5min. The alternative is to be there to manually inject the skill as the skill finishes.

The skill itself would need to be consumed to use auto-inject, and placed in a temporary 'implant' placeholder. This could also combine the slots 11-15 implant areas, allowing the auto-inject to still take place at a later date if you remove the pre-req skill, limiting the number of auto-injects queue'd up, and risk losing the 'waiting' skills if you lose your pod.

More trade, more trade, more trade.

Please don't consider removing skill book trading between regions.

You guys recently made station containers and the like all player manufactured so taht we can trade more. We need more trade, not less.

More trade, more trade, more trade.

Please don't consider removing skill book trading between regions.

You guys recently made station containers and the like all player manufactured so taht we can trade more. We need more trade, not less.

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

Scenario:

You got the skillbook of X in your carghold which need skill A at level 4 and skill B at level 4
You allready got A close to finish level 4 aswell and B at level 2.

Your queue looks now like:
Train B to 4
Train A to 3
Train A to 4
Inject Skill X (needs to be in the Cargo of the active ship or at the same station ) (maybe even takes a few minute?)
Train X to 1

and so on.

But someone once suggested there should be some sort of consequence to allow this. They felt that being able to inject a skill and move it without the chance of loss, goes against the grain so to speak. I do see their point.

podding someone with injected but untrained skills removes the skill?

This has come up quite often in the past years.

We have recently started doing some research into skill training and this is something we are very keen on doing.

My only concern would be some unforeseen consequences to changing this. I can't see many, but it is a slight concern.

The basic idea of how it would work is that all skills could be injected, regardless of the pre-req being met. You would, however, not be able to train it until you had met the pre-req (obviously).

There are some technical things that need to be solved (logic checks and things like that).

If you can think of any reason if this would have harmful consequences, post them here!

I see a problem with it, you inject the skill even though you dont have the skill requirements. Then you decide, eh I changed my mind I dont want that skill or I want to switch to something else.... then what? You have an untrained skill in cue which cannot continue because the requirements were not met, you can't get the skillbook back because it has been injected already now what? Finish up training your skill to level 5 only to find out you injected the WRONG skill.... oops. Now you are screwed.

Yes, I agree for a bigger queue, (1 week min)