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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.05.29 15:55:00 -
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Antoine Jordan wrote:Kumq uat wrote:I mean, we can run with the people we have on board right now but we will be missing a couple of key people and won't be able to field a full setup. I mean the way that blog was worded was terribad. Made it look like it was just about commentator stuff. We can adapt if we have to but we won't be able to give it our all. Your lack of awareness combined with the astonishing amount of whinging from Tyrrax last topic only serves to reinforce the notion that your "tightly-knit" team is actually just one of convenience. There are still outlets for teams like that: the SCL, as well as the NEO if CCP choose to run that again.
Shouldn't you be upvoting Mittani's story some more?
Oh wait, let me guess. Still bitter from when we executed a flawless victory on the #1 seeded Goonswarm team from AT 7. |

Laura Dexx
Fractional Warfare
28
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:06:00 -
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Kumq uat wrote:Antoine Jordan wrote:Kumq uat wrote:I mean, we can run with the people we have on board right now but we will be missing a couple of key people and won't be able to field a full setup. I mean the way that blog was worded was terribad. Made it look like it was just about commentator stuff. We can adapt if we have to but we won't be able to give it our all. Your lack of awareness combined with the astonishing amount of whinging from Tyrrax last topic only serves to reinforce the notion that your "tightly-knit" team is actually just one of convenience. There are still outlets for teams like that: the SCL, as well as the NEO if CCP choose to run that again. Shouldn't you be upvoting Mittani's story some more? Oh wait, let me guess. Still bitter from when we executed a flawless victory on the #1 seeded Goonswarm team from AT 7.
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:09:00 -
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Laura Dexx wrote:Kumq uat wrote:Antoine Jordan wrote:Kumq uat wrote:I mean, we can run with the people we have on board right now but we will be missing a couple of key people and won't be able to field a full setup. I mean the way that blog was worded was terribad. Made it look like it was just about commentator stuff. We can adapt if we have to but we won't be able to give it our all. Your lack of awareness combined with the astonishing amount of whinging from Tyrrax last topic only serves to reinforce the notion that your "tightly-knit" team is actually just one of convenience. There are still outlets for teams like that: the SCL, as well as the NEO if CCP choose to run that again. Shouldn't you be upvoting Mittani's story some more? Oh wait, let me guess. Still bitter from when we executed a flawless victory on the #1 seeded Goonswarm team from AT 7. http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ahpsa.jpg
Something tells me I should not open this file while at work. Can someone guinea pig it for me? |

Laura Dexx
Fractional Warfare
28
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:15:00 -
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Kumq uat wrote:Laura Dexx wrote:Kumq uat wrote:Antoine Jordan wrote:Kumq uat wrote:I mean, we can run with the people we have on board right now but we will be missing a couple of key people and won't be able to field a full setup. I mean the way that blog was worded was terribad. Made it look like it was just about commentator stuff. We can adapt if we have to but we won't be able to give it our all. Your lack of awareness combined with the astonishing amount of whinging from Tyrrax last topic only serves to reinforce the notion that your "tightly-knit" team is actually just one of convenience. There are still outlets for teams like that: the SCL, as well as the NEO if CCP choose to run that again. Shouldn't you be upvoting Mittani's story some more? Oh wait, let me guess. Still bitter from when we executed a flawless victory on the #1 seeded Goonswarm team from AT 7. http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ahpsa.jpg Something tells me I should not open this file while at work. Can someone guinea pig it for me?
It's a picture of the 'The More You Know' star animation, but instead of 'The More You Know' it says 'Ad Hominem Alert'. |

Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:21:00 -
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Laura Dexx wrote:
It's a picture of the 'The More You Know' star animation, but instead of 'The More You Know' it says 'Ad Hominem Alert'.
You know what?
This pleases me |

IceGuerilla
Poseidon's Wingmen Perihelion Alliance
39
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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:22:00 -
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Payment wrote: Entry for the random draw will be 5 PLEX per alliance. Each alliance who wishes to enter the draw must submit 5 PLEX, in the redeeming system of the CEO of the executor corporation, which will be withdrawn before the draw. All PLEX will be retained by CCP and teams who are not successful in the random draw can use these PLEX to bid for a spot through the auction. If you are not successful in either the random draw or auction, your 5 PLEX will be refunded to the CEO character of the alliance executor corporation.
Just to clarify, before over 9000 people ask about this: once a team fails the random draw, they have the choice of making a bid (presumably minimum bid is 5 plex), and then submit a further {number of plex bid - 5} to the redeeming system if they win? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6151

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Posted - 2013.05.29 16:31:00 -
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IceGuerilla wrote:Payment wrote: Entry for the random draw will be 5 PLEX per alliance. Each alliance who wishes to enter the draw must submit 5 PLEX, in the redeeming system of the CEO of the executor corporation, which will be withdrawn before the draw. All PLEX will be retained by CCP and teams who are not successful in the random draw can use these PLEX to bid for a spot through the auction. If you are not successful in either the random draw or auction, your 5 PLEX will be refunded to the CEO character of the alliance executor corporation.
Just to clarify, before over 9000 people ask about this: once a team fails the random draw, they have the choice of making a bid (presumably minimum bid is 5 plex), and then submit a further {number of plex bid - 5} to the redeeming system if they win?
Yes Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Greygal
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:25:00 -
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+1 to the question about mindlinks - dev blog implies they are not allowed.
Also, T1 Support Frigates aren't specifically mentioned in the points value chart. Are they worth 2 points, like a (non-disruption) frigate, or are they worth some other value that just didn't get listed on the chart?
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6152

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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:30:00 -
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Mindlinks were an oversight on my end, wasn't thinking of them as hardwirings :oops:
We also ran into another problem with the automatic enforcement of the hardwirings so we've solved both issues with a change to the rules that is now up on the blog.
We've added or edited the following lines (first one isn't a rule change it's just a clarification):
Quote:Genolution "CA-" implants are NOT allowed.
With the exception of leadership Mindlinks, only Hardwirings that have a name ending in "1", "2" or "3" are allowed.
Leadership Mindlinks are allowed.
Removing mindlinks would have been a very significant change to the tournament meta which would have been nice, but on the whole we decided that it would remove more interesting options than it would add. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4194
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:30:00 -
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Wey'oun wrote:May i ask why the stricter rules on implants this year? sad panda :( Also can we plz have a DEV team entered? :P we need more drama and conspiracy theorys when the DEV team beats a player one Quote:In the very unlikely case that a fight is tied after 15 minutes, the victory will be awarded to the team that had more collective potential team DPS at the beginning of the match, as measured by the tournament automated GÇ£attack barGÇ¥. Um.. shouldnt the team with the least DPS win that one? as they obv did better applying their less DPS as to still be level on points? lol The team with the most DPS at the start of the match will win because they wish to discourage teams dedicated to uber tanking. It makes for a very boring match.
So if it comes down to it the team that went totally defensive is not likely to win in the event of a tie. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Laura Dexx
Fractional Warfare
28
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:34:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Mindlinks were an oversight on my end, wasn't thinking of them as hardwirings :oops: We also ran into another problem with the automatic enforcement of the hardwirings so we've solved both issues with a change to the rules that is now up on the blog. We've added or edited the following lines (first one isn't a rule change it's just a clarification): Quote:Genolution "CA-" implants are NOT allowed.
With the exception of leadership Mindlinks, only Hardwirings that have a name ending in "1", "2" or "3" are allowed.
Leadership Mindlinks are allowed.
Will you allow CONCORD 4% implants? They require cybernetics 3. You really need to be more thorough with these rules. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6153

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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:35:00 -
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Laura Dexx wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Mindlinks were an oversight on my end, wasn't thinking of them as hardwirings :oops: We also ran into another problem with the automatic enforcement of the hardwirings so we've solved both issues with a change to the rules that is now up on the blog. We've added or edited the following lines (first one isn't a rule change it's just a clarification): Quote:Genolution "CA-" implants are NOT allowed.
With the exception of leadership Mindlinks, only Hardwirings that have a name ending in "1", "2" or "3" are allowed.
Leadership Mindlinks are allowed. Will you allow CONCORD 4% implants? They require cybernetics 3. You really need to be more thorough with these rules.
The 4%s actually don't have any fully consistent skill requirement. That's part of the reason we changed the rule.
4%s are NOT allowed this year. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1455
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Wey'oun wrote:May i ask why the stricter rules on implants this year? sad panda :( Also can we plz have a DEV team entered? :P we need more drama and conspiracy theorys when the DEV team beats a player one Quote:In the very unlikely case that a fight is tied after 15 minutes, the victory will be awarded to the team that had more collective potential team DPS at the beginning of the match, as measured by the tournament automated GÇ£attack barGÇ¥. Um.. shouldnt the team with the least DPS win that one? as they obv did better applying their less DPS as to still be level on points? lol The team with the most DPS at the start of the match will win because they wish to discourage teams dedicated to uber tanking. It makes for a very boring match. So if it comes down to it the team that went totally defensive is not likely to win in the event of a tie.
Also deals with 'lol ECM' teams. have no chance of destroying the other side, but can annoy them into the ground. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
65
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:39:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Genolution "CA-" implants are NOT allowed.
With the exception of leadership Mindlinks, only Hardwirings that have a name ending in "1", "2" or "3" are allowed.
Leadership Mindlinks are allowed.
The 4%s actually don't have any fully consistent skill requirement. That's part of the reason we changed the rule.
4%s are NOT allowed this year.
Thanks for clarification, Fozzie! Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2155
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:45:00 -
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It would have been entertaining had mindlinks been "removed" from the tourney... they are very potent tools, but are also limited in the ships that can utilize them! And damn it! I still have some +6% implants I was hoping to unload this tourney cycle!
Quote:We will be providing a dedicated tournament practice server for competing teams.
Quote:Practice Server This year we will be dedicating the Duality test server as a dedicated Alliance Tournament practice server. This will allow us to more easily tailor our updates and mirrors to the needs of tournament teams. Access to this server will be restricted to a list of pilots and/or corporations provided by each team captain or alliance executor CEO.
We expect this server will significantly streamline the tournament practice process and allow more alliances to take advantage of team practices in the lead up to the tournament. It will run the same version of EVE that will be used for the live tournament, it will not be mirrored during practice season, and it will have no daily downtime.
More information about the Duality Practice Server will be coming soon.
A note: while the pilots that fly in the tourney are obviously in alliance (so submitting things via corp there is easy), many pilots we use in practices are OOC alts, especially when setting up logistics for practicing in a WH, spying on other corps (not something agony does, but something many alliances do), and even as surrogate boosters alts and the like.
When do we need to get the names to you, and are there any limits on this?
Part of the AT spirit is spying on your opponents, is the new test server setup to limit this? Also, it would be pretty awesome if we could freely attack anyone that entered our staging system (you can't attack people without their consent on the current practice server, and this is prohibitive to self-policing roaming spies).
How will stations be seeded (fully seeded universe?), and when will the mirror happen?
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Laura Dexx
Fractional Warfare
28
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:49:00 -
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For the Duality server, will you enable mission agents? Locators will make spying on other people a whole lot easier, which may be going against the reason you're picking a separate server in the first place. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6153

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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:56:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:It would have been entertaining had mindlinks been "removed" from the tourney... they are very potent tools, but are also limited in the ships that can utilize them! And damn it! I still have some +6% implants I was hoping to unload this tourney cycle! Quote:We will be providing a dedicated tournament practice server for competing teams. Quote:Practice Server This year we will be dedicating the Duality test server as a dedicated Alliance Tournament practice server. This will allow us to more easily tailor our updates and mirrors to the needs of tournament teams. Access to this server will be restricted to a list of pilots and/or corporations provided by each team captain or alliance executor CEO.
We expect this server will significantly streamline the tournament practice process and allow more alliances to take advantage of team practices in the lead up to the tournament. It will run the same version of EVE that will be used for the live tournament, it will not be mirrored during practice season, and it will have no daily downtime.
More information about the Duality Practice Server will be coming soon. A note: while the pilots that fly in the tourney are obviously in alliance (so submitting things via corp there is easy), many pilots we use in practices are OOC alts, especially when setting up logistics for practicing in a WH, spying on other corps (not something agony does, but something many alliances do), and even as surrogate boosters alts and the like. When do we need to get the names to you, and are there any limits on this? Part of the AT spirit is spying on your opponents, is the new test server setup to limit this? Also, it would be pretty awesome if we could freely attack anyone that entered our staging system (you can't attack people without their consent on the current practice server, and this is prohibitive to self-policing roaming spies). How will stations be seeded (fully seeded universe?), and when will the mirror happen?
Afraid I'm going to have to point you towards:
Quote:More information about the Duality Practice Server will be coming soon. for now.  Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:57:00 -
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i notice their is no mention of support frigates for points but there is for cruisers .. intentional??? 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |

LT Alter
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
93
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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:59:00 -
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Quote:All points not used will be added to the opponents score.
Because of the change to a full double-elimination bracket this rule is redundant as the total points earned is no longer a factor because there are no more qualification rounds. It does however force a few changes into fleet setups to make it as tight a fit as possible, I think this rule should be changed personally. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1147
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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:00:00 -
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Quote:All Remote Armor Repair modules and Remote Shield Transfer modules are NOT allowed, EXCEPT on ONE of: a Logistics Ship, a Strategic Cruiser, a Tech 1 Support Cruiser, or a Tech 1 Support Frigate

You guys intend baning HYDRA again before thay actualy apply, like last year.  |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6153

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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:27:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:Quote:All points not used will be added to the opponents score. Because of the change to a full double-elimination bracket this rule is redundant as the total points earned is no longer a factor because there are no more qualification rounds. It does however force a few changes into fleet setups to make it as tight a fit as possible, I think this rule should be changed personally.
Points still matter for the match itself if it goes to time without everyone dying. And keeping that rule makes it harder to fit a few large ships, kill one thing and turtle for the match. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
6153

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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:28:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:i notice their is no mention of support frigates for points but there is for cruisers .. intentional??? And also no rookie ship points??
In this case support frigates fall under the normal frigate point category, so are worth 2 points. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
26
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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:51:00 -
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Hi sorry if this has already been asked but can you clarify the disconnection rule as there was some confusion over it last time. -
Not that we're planning on having someone disconnect again but I was under the impression the "you get destroyed if you DC" rule was replaced with CCP just turning off emergency ewarp within that system - meaning if you disconnect you had the chance to get back in. This came from one of our pilots d/cing in the preliminary stages - everyone seemed to agree this change was pretty decent - has it been rolled back for this AT?
See this post/ thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1571820#post1571820
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Blackhorizon
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2013.05.29 18:51:00 -
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Overall good point setup, but I'm still puzzled why lesser used ships in previous tourneys still have high point values
(1) Navy cruiser probably should be 11 points instead of 12 points. Even very good ones, like the Vexor Navy Issue aren't as good or versatile, for example, as the Ishtar. (2) Force recons, like the Falcon/Pilgim/Rapier/Arazu should probably be 12 or 13 points instead of 14 points. You never see them. (3) Heavy interdictors should probably be set at 11 points, not 12 points. (4) There should be a distinction between normal combat/attack cruisers and ewar cruisers. The ewar cruisers should probably be 8 points.
Finally, I think you should allow a flat 16 max points for logistics, however you want them distributed with logistics frigates at 3 points:
e.g. 1 T3 logi 1 T2 logi, and 1 logistics frigate 1 T1 logi and 2 logistics frigates 5 logistics frigates
Also, I was hoping for a bit of a shake-up in the tourney format itself, with the arena being more like the DUST fanfest tourney king-of-the-hill capture the beacon rather than a brawl fight. Maybe you can do something like that for a future NEO-like tourney.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
269
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:04:00 -
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can you just stop posting forever kumq uat |

Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:26:00 -
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I remember one ATX match Exodus vs Agony Empire. Agony brought a trick setup, and played mind games with a bait Logistics Cruiser. It took 4.5 minutes for the commentators to figure it out. I don't remember the rest of the tournament other than high dps ships blowing each other up. It seems like CCP and most other people concur that dps is the most entertaining for them, and I will see fewer of these tricks and tanks. Oh well, I suppose I will watch if I have a chance. |

Cas Mania
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
60
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:55:00 -
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The only criticism I have is that, like the fanfest tournament, teams should be moved to a station with all the items seeded at jita market price and teams had to buy and speed fit their ships. I can see a few issues with that but it seems like a fun idea. |

Hoarr
Asgard. Exodus.
142
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:55:00 -
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Kadl wrote:I remember one ATX match Exodus vs Agony Empire. Agony brought a trick setup, and played mind games with a bait Logistics Cruiser. It took 4.5 minutes for the commentators to figure it out. I don't remember the rest of the tournament other than high dps ships blowing each other up. It seems like CCP and most other people concur that dps is the most entertaining for them, and I will see fewer of these tricks and tanks. Oh well, I suppose I will watch if I have a chance.
Fozzie (then Raivi) had it nailed from the beggining of the match actually. If you listen to the commentary, he talked about it before the match started. We just didn't figure it out for a few minutes.
Dev Blog wrote:In the very unlikely case that a fight is tied after 15 minutes, the victory will be awarded to the team that had more collective potential team DPS at the beginning of the match, as measured by the tournament automated GÇ£attack barGÇ¥.
Fozzie's hatred of Turtle Tanks shines through.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:21:00 -
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Cas Mania wrote:The only criticism I have is that, like the fanfest tournament, teams should be moved to a station with all the items seeded at jita market price and teams had to buy and speed fit their ships. I can see a few issues with that but it seems like a fun idea.
"Jita Market Price" is a variable and "seeding" insinuates creating them from thin air. The point of the AT has always been that isk is at risk. |

Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
139
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:23:00 -
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Also producers make a lot of money off of the tournament and already have their plans ready to go to keep up with the supply.
Also, no Tyrrax. |
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