Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.

Is 0.5 better than 1.0 in terms of rewards?

Yes

Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?

Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?

Honestly if you are willing to take the risks of LS then you'll make more isk farming faction warfare.

^This. Except far less risk, since you'll be in a SB.

Level 5s aren't worth a damn anymore. Better off running factional warfare plexes with stabbed frigates or level 4 fw missions with a bomber.

Level 5s aren't worth a damn? And then you suggest FW???

100K LP per mission, 1100 ISK per LP, 15 minutes per mission = 440 Million / Hour

I agree this is not the best ISK/Hour in the game (and requires work to convert your LP to ISK), but it is still better than FW or Incursions.

If CCP nerfed the "high end" PvE I would go back to L5s over FW/Incursions.

-FM

Not worth the time or ship loss overhead cost. Don't bother.

I find your claim of 15 minutes per L5 dubious at best. But if its accurate, I'd like to know how you manage it.

15 minutes per mission? Are you pulling that **** out of your ass? Also, enjoy crashing the market trying to cash out on anything actually worth 1K / LP.

Have you tried reading any of the *numerous* posts in my posting history about how to run L5s?

1 missions can be completed in less than 30 seconds.

2-3 can be completed in a couple minutes

4-5 more can be completed in ~20 minutes

Decline everything else.

You can easily run 4-5 missions per hour if you have a good system set up.
(using RR domi's and an auguror). No need for shiny ships.

I don't generally assume that every poster's posting history is worth going through. I've looked at yours, but your stuff is posted here, there, and everywhere, so there's no central way to look for anything specific. Since you're so willing to post, maybe you could write a little guide and link it in your sig. Much like DeMichael Crimson did with his awesome Plan. Then you won't have to endure the idiocy of us plebians.

Many of these mission running isk/hr conversations get hung up on the particulars of the calculation. I won't start one of those conversations but if you're running a 4 man alt team and using multiple L5s (which would have to be the case if you're declining a bunch of missions), I suspect the real time spent is greater. Regardless, maybe I'll look a little more into L5s. Particularly, where L5 agents are clustered and the NPC kill totals exceed the surrounding systems. There can't be too many of them.

No. Just no.
Yet again "those" sythetic calculations. If your spreadsheet doesn't show your real income you should exercise more with it.

Here some hints for your broken 440m/hour wannabe income:

- you "forgot" to include traveltimes between agents ... cherry picking blitzable missions leads to "a mission now and then" per agent (not 4 per hour)

- you "forgot" the huge hassle and timesink to cash your LPs in ... taking some 30k LP offers from LP store just won't cut it

- tag requiring LP offers? no because most tags are outragious expensive and the final item (i guess built from a BPC?) is still not more than 1000 isk/LP in most cases

- btw. how accounts do you use?

- you "forgot" downtimes due to hostile players in lvl 5 areas - which are quite busy systems

- lvl 5 agents belong to crappy-LP-shop-corps ... you have to look VERY closely to even find 1 or 2 offers that yield you more or equal to 1000 isk/LP

- if you found indeed an offer with more/equal than 1000 isk/h (just the offer without deeper considerations which i'm currently doing) than there is no way to use it for cashing in huge amounts of LPs

- isk/LP ratio is down the toilet since broken FW farming and incredible cheap FW LP shop offers (was decreasing even before already)

- btw. i have a pet unicorn at home but i can't show you because this little cutie is really shy

Considering all those effort and time sink to get your wallet finally blinky you're not anywhere near 440m/h.
And yes i did them too for quite some time when they were new and no informations about them available. Had to figure the blitzable out by my own.
Blitzable lvl 5 missions are great and a good income if you're living in low-sec and doing them now and then. Giving you decent money for less effort - perfect suited to pay for "other" low-sec activities.

Ps. To get ISK out of lvl 5 missions is comparable to mining. You mine ore not money. The moment you have the ore in your cargobay the hassle starts to convert it to money.

440 mil an hour on your best day not including the selling time, yes. 440 mil an hour sustained, no ******* way.

No, 4 missions per hour is more like an average to below average day.

On your best day its 8 missions per hour and a 1.2 Billion Faction Implant as well.

Again, I've run thousands of L5s, and I can say from experience that running 4 missions per/hour is easy.

Do you have anything to add other than you have never blitzed Level 5s, probably never even run L5s, but are still an expert on how they are run?

-FM

Based on the numbers given and the market data available in game, its a foregone conclusion. A 1.2 bil faction implant that takes 2 days to sell is not 1.2 bil in an hour, its 1.2 bil over 48 hours.

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Are you really considering the amount of time it takes for the item to sell, when he very well isn't going to be at the keyboard for those 48 hours? Why would time the item spends in a sell order count towards the ISK/hour factor? The 'time' that you are using in the ISK/hour calculations should stop as soon as that item hits the sell order, as long as the item actually ends up being sold, of course. xD

I find his 400mil/hour estimate across several accounts very reasonable, considering the amount of research he seems to have put into it, and the time he spends cashing out.

But one thing is for sure...you need to rethink your math.

On your best day its 8 missions per hour and a 1.2 Billion Faction Implant as well.

Now you guys are just trolling.

As long as the item sells, the time spent in the sell order unattended by him is irrelevant. The profit is the same whether it sells 1 second later or 89 days later. Also, he did not claim his 400m isk/hour number was based on the sale of implants at all, that was just a nice random bonus that he gets sometimes.

The only claim I'm skeptical about here is his claim that he can blitz L5 missions in 5 minutes with T1 ships. I'm sure that works for a minor few, but you can't just keep declining the missions you don't like without eventually trashing your standings to the point where you can't run anymore missions. If you have to wait out a 4-hour decline timer then that does cut into your ISK/hour number.

And if you have ever tried to sell something in Jita, especially competitive items like LP reward items then you would know you have to constantly adjust your orders to get them to sell

Conversely if you are going to make said LP items and need tags, you have to constantly adjust said buy orders.

Nothing in Eve is truly ever passive, and nothing comes without opportunity costs.

Are there greater LP and ISK rewards in lower security space?

If so, by what factor is LP greater in low and null sec compared to high sec, respectively? Is it worth the extra danger?

I was going to mission for Mordu's Legion (since I already have the highest standing with them), but they are deep in null. With interdiction sphere and the extra travel time spent circumventing campers, having gankers drop in during PvE fights and whatnot it doesn't seem like it can be worthwhile without huge bonuses in ISK and LP. Low sec being only slightly better with the exclusion of bubble camps.

Is it worthwhile or should I just stick to high sec?

Now you guys are just trolling.

As long as the item sells, the time spent in the sell order unattended by him is irrelevant. The profit is the same whether it sells 1 second later or 89 days later. Also, he did not claim his 400m isk/hour number was based on the sale of implants at all, that was just a nice random bonus that he gets sometimes.

The only claim I'm skeptical about here is his claim that he can blitz L5 missions in 5 minutes with T1 ships. I'm sure that works for a minor few, but you can't just keep declining the missions you don't like without eventually trashing your standings to the point where you can't run anymore missions. If you have to wait out a 4-hour decline timer then that does cut into your ISK/hour number.

Based on the numbers given and the market data available in game, its a foregone conclusion. A 1.2 bil faction implant that takes 2 days to sell is not 1.2 bil in an hour, its 1.2 bil over 48 hours.

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

I don't know how you got the implant, so i assume you got it from a mission somehow...

You are saying you make 440M pr. hour, which does imply you are getting the implant every hour. It's kind of the same as saying, if you can make 1.2B of one mission and do 8 missions each hour you are making 9B an hour. If would be more precise to take a longer period of time look at the total income and time used, to calculate the isk pr. hour, and note the maximum and minimum values.

All that said, it pays less than hisec all things considered. Pirate LP is neat and my alt took 2 Nightmare BPC's from doing this (I know, I know - much better lp to isk items there like implants) but pirate LP, surprisingly, is not worth as much isk as you think....PLUS you need to get it to hisec.

If you think pirate missions pay less then high sec you've been doing them wrong. If you work for a pirate faction that has a system with 4+ level 4 agents in it and you can run 2/3 accounts you can easily make between 200 and 400 mill an hour.

This is the dumbest thing ive read in months

If your **** don't sell you don't get the money. If it sells slowly you get the money slowly. If you only have one to sell and it takes 2 days to sell then all the LP you make in those 2 days adds up and you cant cash it in. Which is why I said you can make it (400mil/hr) but not sustain it.

Wow, the idiocy on the forums never ceases to amaze me. He very clearly stated that he cashed in his LP once a month, and his sell orders were gone before next months cash out. That's roughly 30 days. Stop thinking in terms of instant gratification. I too have a spreadsheet, and there are many items currently netting over 1k per LP with enough demand to support my daily LP earnings. Can I earn LP 24/7 and expect to be able to cash it all out? Of course not, but for some of us with lives gaming 24/7 really isn't appealing anyway. At some point I will probably go on a binder and have a large surplus of LP that I won't be able to convert in a month. Then I will go do other things while still enjoying the steady income. And yes, I will still have earned that isk at the same isk/hour rate, just with a deferred payout.