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virginitycollector Hazen Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:48:00 - [1] - Quote I was ice mining in 0.6. Wasn't afk mining. I didn't notice him jump into the belt due to the number of people ice mining. I couldn't do anything once he warp scrambled me. I was in retriver with just my strip miners and 3 upgrades and x4 warriors. Thankfully I had a upgraded clone. But kind of angry insurance barely gives anything for a retriever I thought I was relative safe in this security level system. He probably choose me since I wasn't in fleet (and I really don't know how to get into an ice belt fleet aside from begging in local). I want to know how to prevent this kind of stuff. Now I have to go mine in higher sec systems where there is barely any other capsuleers. I was searching for more ice belts and I found a 0.7 system but I don't know if it would be any more safe. Help appreciated
J'Poll Phoibe Enterprises 2246	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:55:00 - [2] - Quote virginitycollector Hazen wrote: I was ice mining in 0.6. Wasn't afk mining. I didn't notice him jump into the belt due to the number of people ice mining. I couldn't do anything once he warp scrambled me. I was in retriver with just my strip miners and 3 upgrades and x4 warriors. Thankfully I had a upgraded clone. But kind of angry insurance barely gives anything for a retriever I thought I was relative safe in this security level system. He probably choose me since I wasn't in fleet (and I really don't know how to get into an ice belt fleet aside from begging in local). I want to know how to prevent this kind of stuff. Now I have to go mine in higher sec systems where there is barely any other capsuleers. I was searching for more ice belts and I found a 0.7 system but I don't know if it would be any more safe. Help appreciated Only way to not get ganked...Don't be there where the gankers are and don't make yourself a target. You nad no tank...you made yourself a target. You were Ice mining...you became a target (people like to pick on miners) And above all...NOWHERE is safe. Just because it's high-sec doesn't mean you can't get ganked. Even in 1.0 systems you can be shot at. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1141	Posted - 2013.05.30 14:56:00 - [3] - Quote my friends from minerbumping.com would advise you not to mine. also, neither a fleet nor a higher security system will help you against a dedicated gank fleet, we even take on orcas once in a while... "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
virginitycollector Hazen Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:03:00 - [4] - Quote Just checked wars in corp. Should of suspected this and yea it was from a corp we are at war with. lol gotta learn somehow
erg cz The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote May be it will help to bring something to jamm attacker with you. He was alone, according to your description. All you needed is to jamm him for 20 seconds till concord arrive and kill him. You can use Dotlan map to find systems with ice in your region.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 580	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote By the looks of it you were killed by TAXU and you are still in a war against them. When mining during a war dec you need to keep an eye on local at all times! If you see them in local you need to get out right away, stay aligned to the station and do not go afk. All your losses has been to the same people, so chances are high that now they suspect that you will keep mining and go after you specifically knowing that they have a chance to get a kill, so you might have to base your self on the fact that they will "stalk" you for a while. But then again you can also turn this to your advantage and have a PVP fleet ready and waiting for when they show up Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
Kessara Celestine Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 8	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:31:00 - [7] - Quote Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies! Always check local and see if there are war targets in the system. Also if you have set up your overview the way they recommend remember to keep and eye on a PVP tab and look for red blinking rows, if you see one run away and dock ASAP. We have mining fleets that mine in low sec so if you want to mine probably better to do with fleet mates or in low sec space close to our home system so when they do come after you we can come and help you. Post on our forums or ask in corp chat for help on how to join a mining fleet. Also check with them and ask them the best place to mine as a Brave Newbie.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 457	Posted - 2013.05.30 15:45:00 - [8] - Quote Next time you are online try this out: Press F10, then on the World Map Control Panel look for the "Star Map" tab, then "Stars", the "My Information" folder and finally "My Corp Members Now in Space". See all those green dots? Surprise, those are your Corp members (now in space). Now look for tiny dots in high sec systems away from the horde. What are they doing there? Just idleing away their time while docked up? Or perhaps missioning or mining? Definitely time to log off that Brave Newbie spy alt and log on the Main in the wardeccing Corp and pay a visit. This is how people are found and killed when PvEing during wardecs even if they do it hidden away in some remote system far away from HQ. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 210	Posted - 2013.05.30 16:02:00 - [9] - Quote erg cz wrote: All you needed is to jamm him for 20 seconds till concord arrive and kill him. ONLY 20 seconds you say?....and how do you jam the other 3 gank ships? You can't stop a gank in any other way than to not be there when the gank fleet lands. If they scouted and scanned your fit you're dead. If they can't kill you because of whatever they can bump you out of the belt..which is worse. Tank the barge and don't mine during war time if you aren't bait or protected somehow.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 783	Posted - 2013.05.30 17:07:00 - [10] - Quote Since you asked, the best way to avoid being ganked mining in Highsec is to purchase a mining permit from the New Order of Highsec and mine legally. They're only 10 mil and good for a whole year. Go with the Code. www.minerbumping.com

ISD Cura Ursus ISD Community Communications Liaisons 141	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:06:00 - [11] - Quote Deleted post promoting protection scheme. Please inform new players here, but do not use this area as a platform to promote specific schemes. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Xuixien Elysium Dominion 312	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:10:00 - [12] - Quote There's no way to stop a dedicated group of gankers, but you can stop solo newbie gankers by fitting a tank. By fitting a tank you reduce your mining yield in order that you can still have a mining yield, get it? Also, if there's more than one you're screwed. I have a Catalyst fit that, with a couple of implants, pushes 900 DPS. That's Battleship DPS on a ship smaller than a cruiser. Enjoy. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens
J'Poll Phoibe Enterprises 2253	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:55:00 - [13] - Quote virginitycollector Hazen wrote: Just checked wars in corp. Should of suspected this and yea it was from a corp we are at war with. lol gotta learn somehow At least you learned something from it...always keep local open. Losses that you have learned something from aren't real losses. Those you didn't learn from are. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Thomas Builder Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.05.30 18:56:00 - [14] - Quote Kessara Celestine wrote: Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies! I see that the OP has since left Brave Newbies. You cannot join a corp that's all about "we shoot all the things" and then expect to go mining solo in peace.
J'Poll Phoibe Enterprises 2253	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:16:00 - [15] - Quote NightCrawler 85 wrote: By the looks of it you were killed by war targets. When mining during a war dec you need to keep an eye on local at all times! If you see them in local you need to get out right away, stay aligned to the station and do not go afk. All your losses has been to the same people, so chances are high that now they suspect that you will keep mining and go after you specifically knowing that they have a chance to get a kill, so you might have to base your self on the fact that they will "stalk" you for a while. But then again you can also turn this to your advantage and have a PVP fleet ready and waiting for when they show up Didn't know you were that evil, NC... Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Kessara Celestine Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 9	Posted - 2013.05.30 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote Thomas Builder wrote: Kessara Celestine wrote: Hi Sec is not safe being in Brave Newbies! I see that the OP has since left Brave Newbies. You cannot join a corp that's all about "we shoot all the things" and then expect to go mining solo in peace. Ahwww I hate seeing someone leave but I understand the important thing is finding the right corp for you and if it isn't Brave Newbies then I am sure there is another corp would love to have a miner if you want to join a peaceful corp. Or nothing wrong with being a loner either. I hope you find what works best for you and wish you luck!
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 783	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:22:00 - [17] - Quote ISD Cura Ursus wrote: Deleted post promoting protection scheme. Please inform new players here, but do not use this area as a platform to promote specific schemes. I'm truly sorry Mr. ISD sir, perhaps my post was a little gratuitously in support of the New Order. What I meant to say was: OP, I believe that some organization in the Game is claiming sovereignty over Highsec and, as I understand it, you can avoid them killing you by paying a fee and keeping an eye on local. :)
Vortexo VonBrenner Coldest Sea Sailing 293	Posted - 2013.05.30 22:41:00 - [18] - Quote - keep an eye on local - make a deep safe spot and stay aligned to it So since the cargohold isn't used to put the ore/ice into anymore, one could use those low slots for a bit of armor plate, right? (haven't mined for awhile) I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Thomas Builder Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:09:00 - [19] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: So since the cargohold isn't used to put the ore/ice into anymore, one could use those low slots for a bit of armor plate, right? (haven't mined for awhile) Usually in high-sec, you put Mining Upgrades in there that increase the yield. Also, if you are attacked by a war-target, plates don't really help that much, it'll just take them a bit longer to kill you. Finally, Retrievers are cruiser-sized, but have a really crappy powergrid for a cruiser. You cannot even fit an 10MN Afterburner, so I'd be surprised if you can fit a decent tank. Of course, one can always mine in a Procurer - more trips to the station, but it has a battleship sized shield tank and enough mids to harden it. Add T2 drones and that thing can become quite nasty.
Untanas Volmyr Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 13	Posted - 2013.05.30 23:24:00 - [20] - Quote Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 583	Posted - 2013.05.31 03:36:00 - [21] - Quote Untanas Volmyr wrote: Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL I can semi agree with this. If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range. This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you. If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out. Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance. But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned! Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
J'Poll Phoibe Enterprises 2259	Posted - 2013.05.31 05:24:00 - [22] - Quote NightCrawler 85 wrote: Untanas Volmyr wrote: Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL I can semi agree with this. If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range. This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you. If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out. Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance. But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned! Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff That 120km rock doesnt safe NC. I will pick an Ice rock tthat is 150 km away and in the same line as you and me. I then warp to 30 on that new bookmark. Because the bookmark itself is 150km or further away I can warp. This lands me straight onto you. Also, what is this thing you call RL. EVE = real. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Fernando MRuiz Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2013.05.31 11:23:00 - [23] - Quote Expect ganks in hisec, even if the system you're mining in is quiet. Make liberal use of dscan: set it to max distance and 360 degree scans, and it'll show any ships within 14 AU of you. snipped protection racket promotion - CCP Eterne While Mackinaws and Hulks get bonuses to their ore holds and yield respectively, a well-fitted Skiff can hold out long enough for CONCORD to have a chat with a ganker. Something to keep in mind. "One must, in one's life, make a choice between boredom and suffering." - Mme. Germaine de Sta+½l

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 2507	Posted - 2013.05.31 12:44:00 - [24] - Quote I've removed further promotion of protection schemes from this thread. Do not do that. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept @CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents

Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 174	Posted - 2013.05.31 13:05:00 - [25] - Quote As the OP may have noticed, there are groups that have reduced suicide-ganking of mining ships to a science - multiple groups, as well as many solo gankers (i.e. buying into a protection racket doesn't do much to, well, protect you). Several methods can be utilized to overcome the gankers: you can pick and choose safer systems to mine in; you can accept an occasional gank as the price of doing business; you can get a friend to fly top cover with something like a Scythe or Osprey to buff your shields to survive the ganker; you can accept lower yields and fly a tougher ship to discourage the gankers; and more. Ripard Teg (he of the Jester's Trek blog and the CSM) actually had a few posts this spring which were basically how-to's for both sides of the conflict: how to set up an effective gank, and how to set up an effective counter to a gank. (The short anti-gank strategy: one guy in a jamming ship can screw up a bunch of throwaway gank destroyers.) "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Galaxy Chicken New Order Logistics CODE. 2	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:19:00 - [26] - Quote Sorry once again, truly, I think I get it now. Suggesting that you tank your ship, watch d-scan, fly skiffs or other more traditional methods of avoiding a suicide gank is okay, while suggesting that you obey the laws of Highsec is a no no, got it, sorry I was confused, won't happen again. As a ganker, I can tell you that one of the best ways to avoid a gank from ME is to tank your ship. When I'm soloing, a couple invulnerability fields and a shield extender are enough for me to pass you over, when I'm in a fleet with other gankers though, eh... You should probably just leave.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 586	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:30:00 - [27] - Quote J'Poll wrote: NightCrawler 85 wrote: Untanas Volmyr wrote: Once you warp in. Move across to the far opposite side of warp point. Turn around and mine from there. That way your less likely to be targeted maybe. And the odds are you'll spot them first. maybe fit a cloak on there as well. Not sure I don't mine often. GL I can semi agree with this. If you warp into an ice belt, target something that is say..120 km away from the warp in. That way you are to close to the warp in for them to warp straight to you using the ice roid, and to far away for them to just burn towards you and get within range. This way they have to warp in, bookmark a roid close to you, warp out and then back on top of you. If you are paying attention to local and your overview this should have bought you more then enough time to get out. Of course there is also the possibility that they use a cloaked scout and just have the fleet warp to said scout that is strategically placed in a way that allows them to warp in on their optimal, in which case you stand little chance. But this is (again) why you need to always keep an eye on local and stay aligned! Drag local out so its separate from your other windows, drag it out so you can see everyone, set standings towards people who you know are hostile towards you, and again..do not go afk! Dock up if you need to attend real life stuff That 120km rock doesnt safe NC. I will pick an Ice rock tthat is 150 km away and in the same line as you and me. I then warp to 30 on that new bookmark. Because the bookmark itself is 150km or further away I can warp. This lands me straight onto you. Also, what is this thing you call RL. EVE = real. Bah you are completely right! This just proves how long its been since i have done any mining unless i get dragged kicking and screaming from the station Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
Iosue Black Sky Hipsters 188	Posted - 2013.05.31 14:34:00 - [28] - Quote just a little tip: when mining in areas with lots of other miners, always remove the exhumers, barges, orcas and freighters from overview, basically anything that's industrial in nature. that way, the only guys that show up on the overview are combat ships. this makes it much easier to see when a potential ganker warps in.
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 15:22:00 - [29] - Quote You should also make sure you stay away from other miners that you don't know. They are often alts that are used as warp ins to land the gankers on top of you. (That or let them get nice and close and keep some friends around in fleet that can warp to you or are cloaked up, and rip the ganker up when he shows up and aggresses).
Caecus Dei Intersetellar Mining and Manufactoring 0	Posted - 2013.05.31 17:12:00 - [30] - Quote I thought 0.6 was safe too. He didn't get concorded? You didn't accept a duel with him did you? :P

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