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Gazzaa29	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:09:00 - [31] Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points. Serosly tho, u call urself a caldari pilot, yet u loose ur raven to a lvl2 mission wtf.. Quit now plse b4 u make the rest of us caldari look bad. Incase u dont quite try these ideas: Shield tank, drones, dont fit a smaller launcher, fit a small laser in that last hi slot. Ul find that u dont die then when doing missions that ppl can do in frigs lol. The only thing wrong wiv caldari rite now is the hacs mainly (the only choice we got is "do i use a missile lr or turet lr ship" If u dont fight lr then u dont fully use the bonases on the ship wich just dont feel rite), Maybees small missiles on a crow too cus thats a bit of a joke tbh.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Wrayeth You know, a lot of people talk about this, but it's really a non-point. In a real PvP situation, NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for those missiles to hit from 200km; it doesn't matter how much damage they would have done if they hit, since they won't ever reach the target in the first place. Well yeah, unless he's tackled ________________________________________________________
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:10:00 - [33] Originally by: HippoKing finally, no. i'm not going to change my mind about the scorp when t2 EW cruisers come out. first, the EW cruiser with most mids (t2 blackbird) has SEVEN. the scorp has EIGHT. not to mention that scorps have a tendency to be called primary and explode in fleets - much better a fully insurable scorp than a t2 ship, eh? "Amen." Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner, the man in an ogre space suit
Hephaesteus	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:14:00 - [34] I really dont get it with all the missle whining threads. I have almost gotten my gunnery skills as far as I want them which includes large t2 blasters and railguns with all the gunnery and other related skills at 4 or 5. Next thing I will be doing after that is specializing in missles. yes Caldari need a small buff v's frigs but other than that I think they are pretty balanced. IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!!
Dario Wall	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:16:00 - [35] Don't forget that a fully trained Osprey makes a really great mining ship. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- CEO, MegaCorp Enterprises
Sister 9	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Larts well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke. i trained my skills to caldari brought them all to 5, lost so much time and now i totally regret it. moving to another race is not an option for me, i dont want to lose anotehr 4 months to max the other skills. i wish i could move mny sp to another race. CCP are you aware of the problem or you think all are fine? personally i will wait till next patch, if there are no changes i think im gonna quit. the wheat is sorted out from the chaff
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:42:00 - [37] Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:48:12 Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:43:54 Originally by: Hephaesteus IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!! This may be true for some, but not for others. I fly both missile and turret ships and can state with assurance that my tempest is far superior to my raven as a PvP ship. The reason for this is simple: my tempest is very effective against battleships and cruisers and, when set up for long-range sniping, can even kill frigs; in contrast, my raven can only kill other battleships effectively. If the raven was able to deal with cruisers and HACs in as effective a manner as the tempest can, then it would be worth flying in PvP. This is where the raven needs a boost: the sig radius penalty for torps/cruise vs. cruiser-sized ships needs to be reduced somewhat so the raven can actually break a cruiser's tank through damage like a turret ship can. Torpss/cruise vs. frigs are fine as-is. Heavy missiles, on the other hand, are very much broken in their entirety. Not only do they not inflict enough damage vs. frigs, they don't even inflict enough damage vs. cruisers. The damage penalty for medium-sized missiles vs. frigates needs to be reduced somewhat, and a new launcher and missile class that is the cruiser equivalent of rocket launchers and siege should be introduced (more damage, shorter range, slower than heavies) to allow the caracal and cerberus a short-range, higher damage option. EDIT: As for light missiles, they're really not worth using atm, IMHO. They don't seem to inflict enough damage, though that might just be me (I'm not a fan of frigs to begin with). Rockets, on the other hand, are working perfectly - the only missile that seems to have no problems. -Wrayeth
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:52:00 - [38] caldari are over nerfed, its a fact. the login-movie says that caldari are the strongest of them all ROFL please change it... ccp says they want to "balance" it the only thing they want to balance is the server load on jita!. HAH, ccp knows caldari sucks most and they know, like evry skilled caldari that they are way over-nerfed on evrything, and next patch it will probitly only worse (the more HP idea is very very very negative for caldary)
R31D	Posted - 2005.10.31 11:58:00 - [39] Harpy 4tw \o/ Free bumpage for all
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.10.31 12:04:00 - [40] Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 12:05:43 Originally by: Meridius Well yeah, unless he's tackled True, but the whole point of sniping is ganking from a range where your target can't effectively fire back. If you have a tackler there, the target is firing...upon the tackler. In contrast, a turret sniper can sit back and pop that malediction 150km away without his buddy needing to risk his ship to tackle. EDIT: Not that you could ever kill a malediction from 200km with a raven, anyway. Of course, if you're going to have tacklers, you might as well just go short range yourself to take advantage of torps higher damage and reduced time-to-gank as compared to cruise. -Wrayeth
The Hanz	Posted - 2005.10.31 12:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Gazzaa29 Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points. Eh', it's called NOS and drones + web.
Forsch	Posted - 2005.10.31 12:43:00 - [42] Caldari are just different and it's good that they are. How boring would the game be if all races were the same. It's simple. Turret users have to decide for a range when they fit their ship. Missile users have to decide for a size of targets. A sniper Tempest/Apoc engaged close range (any size) is toast. A raven with torps is screwed by a bunch of frigs. A sniper Tempest/Apoc at range can engage targets of any size but only at their preferred distance. A torp fitted raven can engage battleships at any range. Most of you are thinking about 1vs1 all the time. That's only a small part of the game. I know for pirates it's a bigger part. But I don't like pirates so it's all good. The Auctoritan Syndicate Defenders of the Empire - Curatores Veritatis Alliance
dantes inferno	Posted - 2005.10.31 12:47:00 - [43] I do feel that the Caldari ships are a bit to slow and lack manuveribility, especialy when compared with the high armour ships like the amarr. The missile changes are a tiny bit over done..but on the whole fine. The caldari still do have some brilliant ships, the Harpy is an excelent AF, the crow is one of the most popular Inty's. the blackbird is one of the most useful cruisers, and the scorp is one of the most feared BS around as it can jam the hell out of everything...The raven may be good for 1v1 but sucks in fleet combat...but it did before the patch anyway..now the missiles have more speed and range making them slightly more useful than they were. The only main difference is you cant kill everythign in sight with just torps on a raven. But every other race is in the same boat. so to cut it short all i would like to see done to Caldari ships atm is to increase their speed and manuveribility a bit. _____
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2005.10.31 13:07:00 - [44] All races are more or less balanced (perfect balance is practically impossible), yes missiles need some work, specifically the cruiser size missiles, the BS missiles are good against same size targets (like turrets) not so good against cruisers (like turrets) and nearly useless against frigates(like turrets). Damage wise missiles are very consistent compared to turrets who might have a lucky hit against a frig once in a blue moon. Tottaly useless... No Needing tweakage... yes (just like everything else) ------------------------------------------ The ammatar are not the enemy, they are the smoke and mirrors of the amarr.
Burlock Ironfist	Posted - 2005.10.31 13:19:00 - [45] Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 31/10/2005 13:22:22 At the moment the raven has the great thing going for it that it can shield tank well and do lvl 4 missions solo, and at least take a battering in PvP. My main worry is that is sheild boosters increase you sig radius significantly then its gonna be much much harder to tank than it is already. Im all up for balancing the game and nobody wants everyone flying around in a raven. On the otherhand this could be the final nail in the coffin and you will find no one will be flying them. Or eveyone will be armour tanking the raven and that doesnt exactly fit in with what caldari are all about . Not that i mind too much as i dont really do missions solo and i prefer scorps in PvP (nothing more entertaning that locking down somones ship and you knowing how frustraiting it muct be for them to be able to do nopthing with there set up they thought about for ages and spent loads of money on Scorp 4TW Registered Carebear and Mining Barge Enthusiast.
Sirilonwe	Posted - 2005.10.31 13:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Pestillence Caldari are rubbish. I trained caldari bs to level 2 and torps to level 1 and tried to do a level 2 mission. This frig liek comes to orbit me (lol) and I thought "noob! I'm gonna gank you with this torp (lol)" _______________________ Forums DSU
Arshes Nei	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Dark Shikari The raven and the dominix are the two best 1v1 ships in the game. The raven is still the best mission runner in EVE. The scorpion's jamming is ridiculous overpowered. And you think Caldari need a boost?! Hmm i dont think thats true, maybe if you have really good skills, but even then other ships also get better ... Well i dont have very high skills or anything and while i can do most lvl 4 missions in a raven there are several ships that do it better. a) Dominix: does every lvl 4 mission even with my crappy skills(only 11 drones) b) Ishtar: dont fly it personally but i have seen it in action, again more drones at less skills and a insane tank(easier to get lvl 3 hac than lvl 5 BS) c) sue me but i name the Cerberus, similar or more damage against ceptors and cruisers, less against BS, but i have a sustained tank So not even talking about the success people are having with megas or apocs, and maybe its cause i dont have good skills but every of those ships can do a lvl 4 serp extravaganze with bad skills and less danger than a raven. P.S. Pre Cold War i did every lvl 4 mission in my raven and it was a blast, now i suddenly(just came back) find out that i am some few million SP short to fly a raven, so i dont like people telling me its still the best mission runner when i had to get me other ships to get the job done P.P.S. But i agree that scorpion is great, and caldari ships in general are fine. I just dont see the raven in the solo mission runner role anymore, its a great support though to take out BS.
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:20:00 - [48] U dont here TANK CEO crying his Raven ________________________________________________ Pls Dont Flame Me Cuz I DONT Give A **** Demons of Razgis
Heinky	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:48:12 Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:43:54 Originally by: Hephaesteus IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!! This may be true for some, but not for others. I fly both missile and turret ships and can state with assurance that my tempest is far superior to my raven as a PvP ship. The reason for this is simple: my tempest is very effective against battleships and cruisers and, when set up for long-range sniping, can even kill frigs; in contrast, my raven can only kill other battleships effectively. If the raven was able to deal with cruisers and HACs in as effective a manner as the tempest can, then it would be worth flying in PvP. This is where the raven needs a boost: the sig radius penalty for torps/cruise vs. cruiser-sized ships needs to be reduced somewhat so the raven can actually break a cruiser's tank through damage like a turret ship can. Torpss/cruise vs. frigs are fine as-is. Heavy missiles, on the other hand, are very much broken in their entirety. Not only do they not inflict enough damage vs. frigs, they don't even inflict enough damage vs. cruisers. The damage penalty for medium-sized missiles vs. frigates needs to be reduced somewhat, and a new launcher and missile class that is the cruiser equivalent of rocket launchers and siege should be introduced (more damage, shorter range, slower than heavies) to allow the caracal and cerberus a short-range, higher damage option. EDIT: As for light missiles, they're really not worth using atm, IMHO. They don't seem to inflict enough damage, though that might just be me (I'm not a fan of frigs to begin with). Rockets, on the other hand, are working perfectly - the only missile that seems to have no problems. You have not been using crusie missiles and training guided(spelling) missile skill have you ? :) Hac,af,ceptors pretty much everything small pops just as eazy as killing an indy when u are using crusie missiles. As most people know everyone in my corp that flys a bs is in a raven, because they totally own everything
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Wrayeth Not Caldari as a whole, just the Caldari HACs and the missile damage formula in general (sig penalty is too harsh atm). HACs I completely agree with. Eagle is decent, but the cerberus is just crap except in certain situations. The sig radius formula IMO is fine. No other turretship can even hit small ships with its guns--they generally just use drones. And the raven can certainly fit a decent load of those. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:49:00 - [51] The problem here is the same as it always has been. Raven user keeps his setup exactly as it was pre-patch and expects the same damage as before. As some other posts allude to here - the secret with the Raven, like other BSs, is the right setup for the right situation. Ok so no longer can you slap 6 siege on a raven and blow everything out the water. Does this mean that the raven is now useless ? No ! It's like saying that a Megathron is a crappy ship because it can't do the same damage at range as it can with blasters. Also remember that a raven has 4 turret slots, so fitting 6 siege or 6 cruise doesn't have to be the only setup you choose... For missions the Raven still has an insane tank for being primary and can deal good damage for taking out the BSs. It also can fit turrets if need be and carries a moderate drone bay for dealing with the pesky frigate. To summarise - still a good ship, only let down by the multitude of muppets that think it's now just a hunk of flying steel... Use your cognative ability that humans were designed with (I'm beginning to wonder whether this is the case now) and adapt... PS. I'm Caldari and like the Raven (why does this feel like a statement at an AA meeting now :S)
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Larts well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke. Feh. "A Minmatar walks into a club" is a joke - yours is just an ill-considered, unfounded complaint. My Amarr alt mines with an Osprey - because aside from a medium or large mining barge, it's one of the best ships for mining. For running level 1 missions, he uses a Kestrel - which is better than the Inquisitor as a missile boat. Remember that the only thing all your unsatisfactory experiences have in common... is *you*.
Ricdic	Posted - 2005.10.31 14:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Meeko Gloom U dont here TANK CEO crying his Raven Forgive me if I am wrong, but I remember reading something about Tank having a perma-ban on the forums, hence the reason why you dont hear him crying here. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Nakir	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:06:00 - [54] He¦s right. Because atm I got 36Mio. Skillpoints and got all the relevant skills to lvl 5 and the Caldari dread skill lvl 4 I know what I¦m talking about. Compared with another ship like Gallente I must say caldari has lost lots of their potential. Of course the Scorp is a good ship and the Raven too but compared to the others they suck.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Rufus Roughneck Trained all the new skills to 5.... Right, that's not even possible. Well, I'm pretty sure it is, excluding the specialisations of course. I have two characters with all but one of the new skills trained to 5. (Guided Miss Prec on one, Warhead Upgrades on the other). They didnt start as soon as the skills came out and have taken diversion to train other things + the specialisations.
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:08:01 Originally by: Espen I'd like to see any other ship snipe like the raven. sit at 200km and hit for full damage. Yea, it takes a few sec for the missiles to reach it's target but it does like 4 times as much as any other ship sniping. You know, a lot of people talk about this, but it's really a non-point. In a real PvP situation, NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for those missiles to hit from 200km; it doesn't matter how much damage they would have done if they hit, since they won't ever reach the target in the first place. The target will have ample time to warp out before the missiles strike, meaning this ability is useless except vs. NPCs. Raven with good skills and 3 sensor boosters can hit at 250km, For 'Full DMG' (300Dps with 2 ballistics, Max skills). It'll take around 25s for the missiles to hit and they can be easily countered with defenders.
Justin Cody	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Forsch Most of you are thinking about 1vs1 all the time. That's only a small part of the game. I know for pirates it's a bigger part. But I don't like pirates so it's all good. I agree and disagree with you at the same time. I think most people think about their ships in 1v1 situations too much. This is mostly due to them hanging out in EMPIRE and doing MISSIONS all day. Fleet fights are for large alliances who can assemble a fleet of ships in groups of 20+ and thats where you see other ships come in to usefulness. Teamwork amplifies the destructive power of every ship. Scorpions are called primary just because of this. Thats why I fly a black bird in fleet (in 00 or belt piracy). Caldari ships (even the eagle) rock. For those that don't do anything except for 1v1/gank/mission running; then you are missing 50% of what EVE lets you do in combat. I know the pilots in our corporation fit our ships to complement each other and make up for weaknesses. So please before whining about your lack of an insta-kill iwin button, try at least small group combat (3-8 people) "Ill armed and half starved, they were still desperate men, to whom danger had lost all fears: for what was death that they should shun it to cling to such a life as theirs?"--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Burlock Ironfist	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:54:00 - [58] I have to admit im really looking forward to some fleet enguagements. Our corp has just ventured into 0.0 (as part of a agreement rather than joining a alliance) and has some small fleet enguagements where we had to help defend it seems great fun. Cant wait to get out there more often i get myself blow up Registered Carebear and Mining Barge Enthusiast.
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:07:00 - [59] Edited by: lythos miralbar on 31/10/2005 16:07:46 T1 frigs : Merlin is a very cool t1 frig, bout to get better in mk2 form with extra mid, Ive killed inties in a merlin. The kestrel is a legend and the ultimate starter ship, even after missile nerf. Destroyer : stick 7x 150mm railgun II's on it and shred anything stupid enough to get in range. Assault frigs : Harpy, simply one of the best assault frigs going T1 cruisers : Moa, packs punch with 4x 250mm rail and 2 heavy launchers. I still fly one now sometime for pvp. Caracal (yes the caracal), can provide cheap and very effective fire support as part of a small gang.load up with explosive heavies and take 1000+ hp off an untanked cruiser/bs with each volley on armor Blackbird, THE ew cruiser, almost as effective as a scorpian. Osprey, best mining cruiser bar none IMHO. HAC's : cant fly em, but apparently they suck. Battle cruisers : Ferox with 5x 250mm railgun II's + assaults is arguably the best BC in game, period Battle ships Raven, not the frig popping bs it used to be, but capable of more dammage on appropriate sized targets than before (apparently). Scorp, a scorp with a skilled pilot > ALL. The doggies chocolates when it comes to ew. Fit AB, web, scram, tracking disrupter II, ecm multi II's and 4 neutron blasters + 2 nos, then go kill any other bs. In summary... yeah all caldari ships really suck .. not
Elfaen Ethenwe	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [60] ive been training caldari for almost 12 montsh and still have lots of skills to train to max caldari... if you have only spent 4 months....

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