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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:12:00 -
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well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke. i trained my skills to caldari brought them all to 5, lost so much time and now i totally regret it. moving to another race is not an option for me, i dont want to lose anotehr 4 months to max the other skills. i wish i could move mny sp to another race. CCP are you aware of the problem or you think all are fine?
personally i will wait till next patch, if there are no changes i think im gonna quit. |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:15:00 -
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kthxbye
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:16:00 -
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Your post hurts my eyes but, can i have your stuff?
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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:24:00 -
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i was playing world of imbacraft but i quited cause it was exactly that imbalanced. now i come back to eve and see caldari are ruined. you all can be ironic but you all know there is a problem. well i think wow won me again. at least in that you can advance to the good races faster.
and if i eventually quit of course you can have my stuff i have no use for them, but i dont think u gonna want them they are all caldari ships... |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:27:00 -
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first: i'll have your stuff! i play caldari, and wouldn't swap them for any other race
second: let me guess, was it whatever your character was that was way too weak in WOW?
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Pestillence
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:31:00 -
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Caldari are rubbish.
I trained caldari bs to level 2 and torps to level 1 and tried to do a level 2 mission.
This frig liek comes to orbit me (lol) and I thought "noob! I'm gonna gank you with this torp (lol)"
So I fired the torp and it did 3 damage!!! I'm liek, "dude, wtf!!!" and then I died. I petitioned it though. I swear that npc was exploiting.
BTW you are totally wrong. Caldari ships arent as bad as you make out. Sure they have relatively few "best in class" and some mediocre ships but your post is just a useless whine.
WHAT is wrong with them? Give figures and examples.
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:35:00 -
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If you think they suck so much you could try training another race instead of whining.
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Rufus Roughneck
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:35:00 -
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Trained all the new skills to 5....
Right, that's not even possible.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:38:00 -
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Try training the missile skills and fitting a web you might be sble to hit stuff then
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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:38:00 -
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my post is to ask ccp if they think there is a problem so i can wait for the fix or they think all are fine. i didnt make it to start a useless argument. all races have some very good ships like deimos, zealot, taranis, tempest from far etc.
caldari ships and missiles are a joke now. torps dont even hit deadspace structures with full damage and you talk about frigs? |
Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
Trained all the new skills to 5....
Right, that's not even possible.
Uh why not?
I and many other people have or will train all gunnery skills to 5...why can't you train missiles to 5?
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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kyozoku
If you think they suck so much you could try training another race instead of whining.
as i said i lost too much time to train them all to 5 and now just change race and lose another 3-4 months?
and when i say level 5 i mean bs, cruiser, frigs, indy, not tech 2 also. |
keepiru
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
Trained all the new skills to 5....
Right, that's not even possible.
Uh why not?
I and many other people have or will train all gunnery skills to 5...why can't you train missiles to 5?
2 Rank 5s, a rank 4 and 3 rank 2s.. i guess it would be possible to train them all to 5 since cold war... just about?
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Espen
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:45:00 -
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If you can't make ANY Caldari ships good... then.. YOU SUCK tbfh.
And if you quit, escrow all me all your stuff, pliz.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
Originally by: Kyozoku
If you think they suck so much you could try training another race instead of whining.
as i said i lost too much time to train them all to 5 and now just change race and lose another 3-4 months?
and when i say level 5 i mean bs, cruiser, frigs, indy, not tech 2 also.
on your one day old character? 
sure.
this thread is a joke, started by some bored guy as a (lame) satire on whiners i reckon. though it could just be a real whine. if so, and you really believe you suck ass that badly, come back on your main and admit it
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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:49:00 -
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tell me a caldari ship thats beter than another ship. eagle is better than deimos?, raven than megathron or apoc? lol even the phoenix is the worst DN.
and if i quit i said i give my stuff to the other guy dont ask it again... |
keepiru
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:53:00 -
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I like caldari ships, ill be happy to take em off your hands :)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
tell me a caldari ship thats beter than another ship. eagle is better than deimos?, raven than megathron or apoc? lol even the phoenix is the worst DN.
and if i quit i said i give my stuff to the other guy dont ask it again...
all the DNs suck (cept the moros)
raven is better than either mega or apoc in certain roles (BS 1v1 anyone)
harpy is quite possibly the best AF
crow is a damn good inty (wouldn't like to comment on best)
buzzard is a nice covops
manticore is best stealth bomber
kestrel is one of the best (if not the best) t1 frig
ferox is one of the better BCs (better than cyclone or brutix IMO)
blackbird is MUCH better than any other race's tier 2 crusiers (not sure about the stabber actually - never seen one in combat, but vaggies scare me)
and is there any other ship that can compete with the scorp at being called primary? (and with good reason)
that enough for you?
so, what we have discovered is that caldari are not I-WIN in all situations, and yes, the HACs DO suck. would like them fixed, but hey, i can deal with it
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
tell me a caldari ship thats beter than another ship. eagle is better than deimos?, raven than megathron or apoc? lol even the phoenix is the worst DN.
and if i quit i said i give my stuff to the other guy dont ask it again...
the ferox is better than the brutix, the harpy is better than the vengance, the crow is better than the malediction, the scorpian is better than ALL of the other bses cos it can target jam all of them.
True missiles probibly could be better, but a torp raven is still prety lethal vs another BS.
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Larts
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:05:00 -
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as u said hac r the worst raven with missile nerf is worst again and about af maybe they r good but not that great. and HACs BSs AFs are what most people use so they can be competitive not simple cruisers and frigs. and about scorp soon you gonna change mind when EW cruisers for all races come. |
Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:12:00 -
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WOW. I mean... I think that the Caldari need a slight boost, but this thread is hilarious
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Chewan Mesa
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:15:00 -
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lol this whining is just ridiculous.
After the missle-changes, of course you cant kill an orbiting frig with 1 torp.
Thought about using assault launchers for lvl 2 missions maybe? Or drones?
Caldari ships might be harder to fly properly, but they are in NO case all rubbish.
As above posters said, they have some very decent ships, some others are not that good, agreed.
So stop the whining and train another race if you think you'll be better there...although I doubt it.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
as u said hac r the worst raven with missile nerf is worst again and about af maybe they r good but not that great. and HACs BSs AFs are what most people use so they can be competitive not simple cruisers and frigs. and about scorp soon you gonna change mind when EW cruisers for all races come.
so pretty much, to sum up the last few posts:
you asked a question
i answered it in detail
you picked out ONE part of my answer (the part of the answer which you agreed with) to use as proof of your point.
you then COMPLETELY ignored my comments on several ship types (and people do use t1 ships in PvP).
you completely ignored the point about the raven being BEST in at least one role, and by no means worst in several others.
after i pointed out one of the better inties in caldari, you completely omitted them from your list of common ships in PvP.
you claimed AFs are very common (less so than inties in my experience) and then ignored my comments about the harpy being one of the best ones (IMO, only the enyo is similar standard)
finally, no. i'm not going to change my mind about the scorp when t2 EW cruisers come out. first, the EW cruiser with most mids (t2 blackbird) has SEVEN. the scorp has EIGHT. not to mention that scorps have a tendency to be called primary and explode in fleets - much better a fully insurable scorp than a t2 ship, eh?
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Montolio
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Posted - 2005.10.31 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
i was playing world of imbacraft but i quited cause it was exactly that imbalanced. now i come back to eve and see caldari are ruined. you all can be ironic but you all know there is a problem. well i think wow won me again. at least in that you can advance to the good races faster.
and if i eventually quit of course you can have my stuff i have no use for them, but i dont think u gonna want them they are all caldari ships...
It's funny. I had some friends playing Wow, and they were always talking about "imba". So I asked them, wtf is imba? It's a little wow-slang for imballanced (havn't heard it in any other game), right? So now you come back to Eve after Wow, because it sucks due to all the "imba" stuff, and complain about Caldari (missiles) not beeing a win-button, but much more ballanced than before? I really don't think Eve is the game for you.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.31 10:01:00 -
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The raven and the dominix are the two best 1v1 ships in the game.
The raven is still the best mission runner in EVE.
The scorpion's jamming is ridiculous overpowered.
And you think Caldari need a boost?!
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Knoppaz
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Posted - 2005.10.31 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Larts
kestrel is one of the best (if not the best) t1 frig
Imho the Merlin is the best t1 frig, but then again I'm a noob so I might be wrong 
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.10.31 10:46:00 -
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lol @ this thread in general. The only bad thing about caldari right now is their HACs.
Everybody is just in shock that they arent the pwnmobiles that they used to be. (what other race's large weapons hit frigs for 100% damage 100% of the time?)
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Espen
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Posted - 2005.10.31 10:53:00 -
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I'd like to see any other ship snipe like the raven. sit at 200km and hit for full damage. Yea, it takes a few sec for the missiles to reach it's target but it does like 4 times as much as any other ship sniping.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The raven and the dominix are the two best 1v1 ships in the game.
I'll agree about the Domi, and about the raven as far as battleships go, but the raven sucks against cruisers, HACs, assault frigs, interceptors, frigates, stealth bombers, logistics ships (lol), and destroyers. Now, vs. the frigates that might be acceptable, but vs. the cruisers and cruiser-based ships it is definitely not.
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The raven is still the best mission runner in EVE.
That one I will fully agree with. I recently tried a level 4 guristas extravaganza mission with my ac tempest and managed to pull it off but found it quite difficult. Later on, I did a level 4 angel extravaganza mission (which is more difficult than the guristas to start with) with my raven and had little trouble.
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The scorpion's jamming is ridiculous overpowered.
Now if only the scorp could break his jammed target's tank.... 
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And you think Caldari need a boost?!
Not Caldari as a whole, just the Caldari HACs and the missile damage formula in general (sig penalty is too harsh atm).
Caldari do have some excellent ships, but none of them are the type that I enjoy flying (frigs, like the kestrel, crow, and harpy, and fleet support ships like the blackbird and scorpion). Sadly, all of the larger offensive Caldari ships currently have issues.
Anyway, I see where the original poster is coming from. I think his real disgruntlement is the same as mine, since it's obvious that Caldari have several very excellent frigs (now if only I could actually find a way to enjoy flying them... :P ) but their larger attack ships are sub-par.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:08:01
Originally by: Espen
I'd like to see any other ship snipe like the raven. sit at 200km and hit for full damage. Yea, it takes a few sec for the missiles to reach it's target but it does like 4 times as much as any other ship sniping.
You know, a lot of people talk about this, but it's really a non-point. In a real PvP situation, NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for those missiles to hit from 200km; it doesn't matter how much damage they would have done if they hit, since they won't ever reach the target in the first place. The target will have ample time to warp out before the missiles strike, meaning this ability is useless except vs. NPCs.
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Gazzaa29
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:09:00 -
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Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points.
Serosly tho, u call urself a caldari pilot, yet u loose ur raven to a lvl2 mission wtf.. Quit now plse b4 u make the rest of us caldari look bad.
Incase u dont quite try these ideas: Shield tank, drones, dont fit a smaller launcher, fit a small laser in that last hi slot. Ul find that u dont die then when doing missions that ppl can do in frigs lol.
The only thing wrong wiv caldari rite now is the hacs mainly (the only choice we got is "do i use a missile lr or turet lr ship" If u dont fight lr then u dont fully use the bonases on the ship wich just dont feel rite), Maybees small missiles on a crow too cus thats a bit of a joke tbh.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
You know, a lot of people talk about this, but it's really a non-point. In a real PvP situation, NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for those missiles to hit from 200km; it doesn't matter how much damage they would have done if they hit, since they won't ever reach the target in the first place.
Well yeah, unless he's tackled
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
finally, no. i'm not going to change my mind about the scorp when t2 EW cruisers come out. first, the EW cruiser with most mids (t2 blackbird) has SEVEN. the scorp has EIGHT. not to mention that scorps have a tendency to be called primary and explode in fleets - much better a fully insurable scorp than a t2 ship, eh?
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:14:00 -
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I really dont get it with all the missle whining threads. I have almost gotten my gunnery skills as far as I want them which includes large t2 blasters and railguns with all the gunnery and other related skills at 4 or 5. Next thing I will be doing after that is specializing in missles. yes Caldari need a small buff v's frigs but other than that I think they are pretty balanced.
IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!! |
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:16:00 -
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Don't forget that a fully trained Osprey makes a really great mining ship.
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke. i trained my skills to caldari brought them all to 5, lost so much time and now i totally regret it. moving to another race is not an option for me, i dont want to lose anotehr 4 months to max the other skills. i wish i could move mny sp to another race. CCP are you aware of the problem or you think all are fine?
personally i will wait till next patch, if there are no changes i think im gonna quit.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:48:12
Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:43:54
Originally by: Hephaesteus
IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!!
This may be true for some, but not for others. I fly both missile and turret ships and can state with assurance that my tempest is far superior to my raven as a PvP ship. The reason for this is simple: my tempest is very effective against battleships and cruisers and, when set up for long-range sniping, can even kill frigs; in contrast, my raven can only kill other battleships effectively.
If the raven was able to deal with cruisers and HACs in as effective a manner as the tempest can, then it would be worth flying in PvP. This is where the raven needs a boost: the sig radius penalty for torps/cruise vs. cruiser-sized ships needs to be reduced somewhat so the raven can actually break a cruiser's tank through damage like a turret ship can.
Torpss/cruise vs. frigs are fine as-is.
Heavy missiles, on the other hand, are very much broken in their entirety. Not only do they not inflict enough damage vs. frigs, they don't even inflict enough damage vs. cruisers. The damage penalty for medium-sized missiles vs. frigates needs to be reduced somewhat, and a new launcher and missile class that is the cruiser equivalent of rocket launchers and siege should be introduced (more damage, shorter range, slower than heavies) to allow the caracal and cerberus a short-range, higher damage option.
EDIT: As for light missiles, they're really not worth using atm, IMHO. They don't seem to inflict enough damage, though that might just be me (I'm not a fan of frigs to begin with). Rockets, on the other hand, are working perfectly - the only missile that seems to have no problems.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:52:00 -
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caldari are over nerfed, its a fact.
the login-movie says that caldari are the strongest of them all ROFL please change it...
ccp says they want to "balance" it
the only thing they want to balance is the server load on jita!.
HAH, ccp knows caldari sucks most and they know, like evry skilled caldari that they are way over-nerfed on evrything, and next patch it will probitly only worse (the more HP idea is very very very negative for caldary)
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.10.31 11:58:00 -
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Harpy 4tw \o/
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 12:05:43
Originally by: Meridius
Well yeah, unless he's tackled
True, but the whole point of sniping is ganking from a range where your target can't effectively fire back. If you have a tackler there, the target is firing...upon the tackler. In contrast, a turret sniper can sit back and pop that malediction 150km away without his buddy needing to risk his ship to tackle.
EDIT: Not that you could ever kill a malediction from 200km with a raven, anyway.
Of course, if you're going to have tacklers, you might as well just go short range yourself to take advantage of torps higher damage and reduced time-to-gank as compared to cruise.
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The Hanz
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Posted - 2005.10.31 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gazzaa29
Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points.
Eh', it's called NOS and drones + web.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.10.31 12:43:00 -
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Caldari are just different and it's good that they are. How boring would the game be if all races were the same.
It's simple. Turret users have to decide for a range when they fit their ship. Missile users have to decide for a size of targets.
A sniper Tempest/Apoc engaged close range (any size) is toast.
A raven with torps is screwed by a bunch of frigs.
A sniper Tempest/Apoc at range can engage targets of any size but only at their preferred distance.
A torp fitted raven can engage battleships at any range.
Most of you are thinking about 1vs1 all the time. That's only a small part of the game. I know for pirates it's a bigger part. But I don't like pirates so it's all good.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.10.31 12:47:00 -
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I do feel that the Caldari ships are a bit to slow and lack manuveribility, especialy when compared with the high armour ships like the amarr.
The missile changes are a tiny bit over done..but on the whole fine.
The caldari still do have some brilliant ships, the Harpy is an excelent AF, the crow is one of the most popular Inty's. the blackbird is one of the most useful cruisers, and the scorp is one of the most feared BS around as it can jam the hell out of everything...The raven may be good for 1v1 but sucks in fleet combat...but it did before the patch anyway..now the missiles have more speed and range making them slightly more useful than they were.
The only main difference is you cant kill everythign in sight with just torps on a raven. But every other race is in the same boat. so to cut it short all i would like to see done to Caldari ships atm is to increase their speed and manuveribility a bit.
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Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2005.10.31 13:07:00 -
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All races are more or less balanced (perfect balance is practically impossible), yes missiles need some work, specifically the cruiser size missiles, the BS missiles are good against same size targets (like turrets) not so good against cruisers (like turrets) and nearly useless against frigates(like turrets). Damage wise missiles are very consistent compared to turrets who might have a lucky hit against a frig once in a blue moon.
Tottaly useless... No
Needing tweakage... yes (just like everything else)
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Posted - 2005.10.31 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 31/10/2005 13:22:22
At the moment the raven has the great thing going for it that it can shield tank well and do lvl 4 missions solo, and at least take a battering in PvP. My main worry is that is sheild boosters increase you sig radius significantly then its gonna be much much harder to tank than it is already. Im all up for balancing the game and nobody wants everyone flying around in a raven. On the otherhand this could be the final nail in the coffin and you will find no one will be flying them. Or eveyone will be armour tanking the raven and that doesnt exactly fit in with what caldari are all about  . Not that i mind too much as i dont really do missions solo and i prefer scorps in PvP (nothing more entertaning that locking down somones ship and you knowing how frustraiting it muct be for them to be able to do nopthing with there set up they thought about for ages and spent loads of money on  Scorp 4TW 
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Sirilonwe
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Posted - 2005.10.31 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
Caldari are rubbish.
I trained caldari bs to level 2 and torps to level 1 and tried to do a level 2 mission.
This frig liek comes to orbit me (lol) and I thought "noob! I'm gonna gank you with this torp (lol)"
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The raven and the dominix are the two best 1v1 ships in the game.
The raven is still the best mission runner in EVE.
The scorpion's jamming is ridiculous overpowered.
And you think Caldari need a boost?!
Hmm i dont think thats true, maybe if you have really good skills, but even then other ships also get better ... Well i dont have very high skills or anything and while i can do most lvl 4 missions in a raven there are several ships that do it better.
a) Dominix: does every lvl 4 mission even with my crappy skills(only 11 drones)
b) Ishtar: dont fly it personally but i have seen it in action, again more drones at less skills and a insane tank(easier to get lvl 3 hac than lvl 5 BS)
c) sue me but i name the Cerberus, similar or more damage against ceptors and cruisers, less against BS, but i have a sustained tank
So not even talking about the success people are having with megas or apocs, and maybe its cause i dont have good skills but every of those ships can do a lvl 4 serp extravaganze with bad skills and less danger than a raven.
P.S. Pre Cold War i did every lvl 4 mission in my raven and it was a blast, now i suddenly(just came back) find out that i am some few million SP short to fly a raven, so i dont like people telling me its still the best mission runner when i had to get me other ships to get the job done
P.P.S. But i agree that scorpion is great, and caldari ships in general are fine. I just dont see the raven in the solo mission runner role anymore, its a great support though to take out BS.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:20:00 -
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U dont here TANK CEO crying his Raven
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Heinky
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:48:12
Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:43:54
Originally by: Hephaesteus
IMHO it is not the ships that are the problem it is the players who cannot accept missles were overpowered before the nerf and now have NO idea how to adapt after it!!!
This may be true for some, but not for others. I fly both missile and turret ships and can state with assurance that my tempest is far superior to my raven as a PvP ship. The reason for this is simple: my tempest is very effective against battleships and cruisers and, when set up for long-range sniping, can even kill frigs; in contrast, my raven can only kill other battleships effectively.
If the raven was able to deal with cruisers and HACs in as effective a manner as the tempest can, then it would be worth flying in PvP. This is where the raven needs a boost: the sig radius penalty for torps/cruise vs. cruiser-sized ships needs to be reduced somewhat so the raven can actually break a cruiser's tank through damage like a turret ship can.
Torpss/cruise vs. frigs are fine as-is.
Heavy missiles, on the other hand, are very much broken in their entirety. Not only do they not inflict enough damage vs. frigs, they don't even inflict enough damage vs. cruisers. The damage penalty for medium-sized missiles vs. frigates needs to be reduced somewhat, and a new launcher and missile class that is the cruiser equivalent of rocket launchers and siege should be introduced (more damage, shorter range, slower than heavies) to allow the caracal and cerberus a short-range, higher damage option.
EDIT: As for light missiles, they're really not worth using atm, IMHO. They don't seem to inflict enough damage, though that might just be me (I'm not a fan of frigs to begin with). Rockets, on the other hand, are working perfectly - the only missile that seems to have no problems.
You have not been using crusie missiles and training guided(spelling) missile skill have you ? :)
Hac,af,ceptors pretty much everything small pops just as eazy as killing an indy when u are using crusie missiles.
As most people know everyone in my corp that flys a bs is in a raven, because they totally own everything 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Not Caldari as a whole, just the Caldari HACs and the missile damage formula in general (sig penalty is too harsh atm).
HACs I completely agree with. Eagle is decent, but the cerberus is just crap except in certain situations.
The sig radius formula IMO is fine. No other turretship can even hit small ships with its guns--they generally just use drones. And the raven can certainly fit a decent load of those.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:49:00 -
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The problem here is the same as it always has been. Raven user keeps his setup exactly as it was pre-patch and expects the same damage as before. As some other posts allude to here - the secret with the Raven, like other BSs, is the right setup for the right situation.
Ok so no longer can you slap 6 siege on a raven and blow everything out the water. Does this mean that the raven is now useless ? No ! It's like saying that a Megathron is a crappy ship because it can't do the same damage at range as it can with blasters. Also remember that a raven has 4 turret slots, so fitting 6 siege or 6 cruise doesn't have to be the only setup you choose...
For missions the Raven still has an insane tank for being primary and can deal good damage for taking out the BSs. It also can fit turrets if need be and carries a moderate drone bay for dealing with the pesky frigate.
To summarise - still a good ship, only let down by the multitude of muppets that think it's now just a hunk of flying steel... Use your cognative ability that humans were designed with (I'm beginning to wonder whether this is the case now) and adapt...
PS. I'm Caldari and like the Raven (why does this feel like a statement at an AA meeting now :S)
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke.
Feh. "A Minmatar walks into a club" is a joke - yours is just an ill-considered, unfounded complaint.
My Amarr alt mines with an Osprey - because aside from a medium or large mining barge, it's one of the best ships for mining. For running level 1 missions, he uses a Kestrel - which is better than the Inquisitor as a missile boat.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
U dont here TANK CEO crying his Raven
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I remember reading something about Tank having a perma-ban on the forums, hence the reason why you dont hear him crying here.
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Nakir
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Posted - 2005.10.31 15:06:00 -
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He¦s right. Because atm I got 36Mio. Skillpoints and got all the relevant skills to lvl 5 and the Caldari dread skill lvl 4 I know what I¦m talking about.
Compared with another ship like Gallente I must say caldari has lost lots of their potential. Of course the Scorp is a good ship and the Raven too but compared to the others they suck.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.10.31 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus Roughneck
Trained all the new skills to 5....
Right, that's not even possible.
Well, I'm pretty sure it is, excluding the specialisations of course.
I have two characters with all but one of the new skills trained to 5. (Guided Miss Prec on one, Warhead Upgrades on the other). They didnt start as soon as the skills came out and have taken diversion to train other things + the specialisations.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.10.31 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 31/10/2005 11:08:01
Originally by: Espen
I'd like to see any other ship snipe like the raven. sit at 200km and hit for full damage. Yea, it takes a few sec for the missiles to reach it's target but it does like 4 times as much as any other ship sniping.
You know, a lot of people talk about this, but it's really a non-point. In a real PvP situation, NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for those missiles to hit from 200km; it doesn't matter how much damage they would have done if they hit, since they won't ever reach the target in the first place. The target will have ample time to warp out before the missiles strike, meaning this ability is useless except vs. NPCs.
Raven with good skills and 3 sensor boosters can hit at 250km, For 'Full DMG' (300Dps with 2 ballistics, Max skills). It'll take around 25s for the missiles to hit and they can be easily countered with defenders.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.10.31 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
Most of you are thinking about 1vs1 all the time. That's only a small part of the game. I know for pirates it's a bigger part. But I don't like pirates so it's all good.
I agree and disagree with you at the same time. I think most people think about their ships in 1v1 situations too much. This is mostly due to them hanging out in EMPIRE and doing MISSIONS all day.
Fleet fights are for large alliances who can assemble a fleet of ships in groups of 20+ and thats where you see other ships come in to usefulness. Teamwork amplifies the destructive power of every ship. Scorpions are called primary just because of this. Thats why I fly a black bird in fleet (in 00 or belt piracy).
Caldari ships (even the eagle) rock. For those that don't do anything except for 1v1/gank/mission running; then you are missing 50% of what EVE lets you do in combat.
I know the pilots in our corporation fit our ships to complement each other and make up for weaknesses.
So please before whining about your lack of an insta-kill iwin button, try at least small group combat (3-8 people)
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Burlock Ironfist
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Posted - 2005.10.31 15:54:00 -
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I have to admit im really looking forward to some fleet enguagements. Our corp has just ventured into 0.0 (as part of a agreement rather than joining a alliance) and has some small fleet enguagements where we had to help defend it seems great fun. Cant wait to get out there more often i get myself blow up
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: lythos miralbar on 31/10/2005 16:07:46
T1 frigs :
Merlin is a very cool t1 frig, bout to get better in mk2 form with extra mid, Ive killed inties in a merlin.
The kestrel is a legend and the ultimate starter ship, even after missile nerf.
Destroyer :
stick 7x 150mm railgun II's on it and shred anything stupid enough to get in range.
Assault frigs :
Harpy, simply one of the best assault frigs going
T1 cruisers :
Moa, packs punch with 4x 250mm rail and 2 heavy launchers. I still fly one now sometime for pvp.
Caracal (yes the caracal), can provide cheap and very effective fire support as part of a small gang.load up with explosive heavies and take 1000+ hp off an untanked cruiser/bs with each volley on armor
Blackbird, THE ew cruiser, almost as effective as a scorpian.
Osprey, best mining cruiser bar none IMHO.
HAC's :
cant fly em, but apparently they suck. 
Battle cruisers :
Ferox with 5x 250mm railgun II's + assaults is arguably the best BC in game, period
Battle ships
Raven, not the frig popping bs it used to be, but capable of more dammage on appropriate sized targets than before (apparently).
Scorp, a scorp with a skilled pilot > ALL. The doggies chocolates when it comes to ew. Fit AB, web, scram, tracking disrupter II, ecm multi II's and 4 neutron blasters + 2 nos, then go kill any other bs.
In summary... yeah all caldari ships really suck .. not
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 -
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ive been training caldari for almost 12 montsh and still have lots of skills to train to max caldari...
if you have only spent 4 months....
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:44:00 -
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i spend aboud 7 months on caldari and im not happy with the results.
i am so NOT having the ability of doing lvl4 solo, that will take a long long time..
neather to mine effecient.
im non stop lvl3 missions
it takes me a houre to do lvl3 angel extravaganza and that misions pays out a total of aboud 4-5 mil.
i use 6x heavy missile launcher, its just the frigs are invoulnerable... webbing/painting does not work with missiels. i have to wait until the drones killed evry frig and it takes looongg...
i can not do any ting else as doing lvl3 non stop and making no progres in the game at all, and im notplanning to switch skil trianing to.
it will prob not take long till i stop eve. your suposed to make progres but since cold war i have only gone backward and im going backward more with the next patch, ccp will find a way to nerf me more..
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: lythos miralbar
lots of info
i agree apart from:
Originally by: lythos miralbar
Destroyer :
stick 7x 150mm railgun II's on it and shred anything stupid enough to get in range.
that fits? 
Originally by: lythos miralbar
Moa, packs punch with 4x 250mm rail and 2 heavy launchers. I still fly one now sometime for pvp.
i can't say i rate the moa at all. it is indeed outclassed by every other tier 3 cruiser, and the blackbird and caracal.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:49:00 -
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Quote:
that fits?
yes
its what I use..
7x 150mm railgun II's (antimatter preferably)
sensorboosters and stuff
mapc
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Y'Berion
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
tell me a caldari ship thats beter than another ship. eagle is better than deimos?, raven than megathron or apoc? lol even the phoenix is the worst DN.
and if i quit i said i give my stuff to the other guy dont ask it again...
Well guess they are the best shield tankers, I think there Battlecruiser is one of the best. They have the best missile frigate of the races (talking about the basic ones don't know crap about stealth bombers)
They have best ECM ships out there, personaly I'm only afraid of the crow of all the interceptors.
Now stop this crying and get back to your ships, try fitting them diffrently, change ships I don't care just stop it !! (or play wow I don't care, got bored of that in few weeks myself)
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Bottled Brain
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Posted - 2005.10.31 16:57:00 -
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Oh dear... the missile discussions on these forums are running in circles...
Probably the caldari have to pay for their "uber missiles" and have to swallow the pill.
(small reminder: before ccp made missiles intercept the flight orbit, there were some frigs that were totally immune to all kinds of missiles, beacuse they could simply outrun them until they were webified).
And maybe when the dust has settled in a more or less near future an unbiased and innocent voice will ask why heavy and especially light missiles do very low damage and hopefully they will look into it again (without all this narrow-minded.."but..but they always hit.." rubbish).
I don¦t know why they had to beat missiles that hard, maybe to make them pure (some would say useless) long range weapons.
(Light missiles even don¦t work at range because they almost do no damage. Compared to a medium beam with x-ray crystal they do half the damage/sec against a mwd frig with 210 sig radius and 2500m/s speed. Considering the small time frames and the slow speed of caldari frigs the damage of light missiles is a joke).
Imo it would have been better to place missiles between long and short range turrets, and form an average performance.
Fortunately missiles are not the only weapons in this game.^^
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Alerce
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Alerce on 31/10/2005 17:09:29
I want a rail gun BS,
Caldari only got 1 BATTLE ship, the other one is a SUPPORT ship.
Problem is, that RAVEN is pure missile ship, the scorpion is no battleship, because it totally lack the firepower.
The scorpion is a team support ship and in that role its ok, but....
That doesnt change the fact, that the other races all have 2 fighting ships, that can all be fitted to do enough damage for certain level 4 missions.
The caldari race is the only race, where the players dont have the options to use their other mainweapons railguns and blasters EFFICIENT on a BS.
The scorpion is prolly nice ship for lvl 3, but even a ferox totally outperforms it then.
Yeah sure people say: then train missiles or something, sorry thats rubbish.
Every race has a certain development from frigates to BS and all those races can fit on each bigger type of ships the bigger types of weapons.
But alas the caldari is the exception, they dont have the combination of BS + rails.
And thats a shame.
See thats the problem, the scorpion is ok for teamplay, but is it really too much to ask to have a BS with rails to do lvl 4 missions?
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:10:00 -
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Caldari HACs do need some mnore vavavoom tbh. As for level 3s however I cant believe ANY ship in the game can do them quicker than a nicely set up Eagle. Original poster is obviously... funny at best but Wr. is right about the missle formula being a bit off to say the least. Personally I would expect devs to give a bit back to the Caldari eventually...
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TribalBleb
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:30:00 -
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O man IÆm so sick of ppl posting whine threads about caldari all the time, not even bothered reading the whole thread cause I know exactly whatÆs coming we only had this same discussion about 200 times you just gotta understand you have to use caldari ships in a different way now, you actually have to think about your setup now like all other races, doing crap damage on a frig with trops? too bad, large guns cant even hit them in most cases.
Caldari ships are not worst then other, most experienced caldari pilots that actually know what theyÆre talking about will agree with me when I say caldari ships got better after exodus.
Try a few painers or a webber or both if you want to kill frig or cruiser sized ships with torps, or just simply fit some smaller missile bays on.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: TribalBleb
O man IÆm so sick of ppl posting whine threads about caldari all the time, not even bothered reading the whole thread cause I know exactly whatÆs coming we only had this same discussion about 200 times you just gotta understand you have to use caldari ships in a different way now, you actually have to think about your setup now like all other races, doing crap damage on a frig with trops? too bad, large guns cant even hit them in most cases.
Caldari ships are not worst then other, most experienced caldari pilots that actually know what theyÆre talking about will agree with me when I say caldari ships got better after exodus.
Try a few painers or a webber or both if you want to kill frig or cruiser sized ships with torps, or just simply fit some smaller missile bays on.
maybe they are there for a reason 
christ, they wont stop "whining" until they give caldari theyr ability's to do somting back.
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:23:00 -
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Maxxed all his skills yet he doesnt have a sig or corp. Man, you know how to play EVE.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
Originally by: TribalBleb
O man IÆm so sick of ppl posting whine threads about caldari all the time, not even bothered reading the whole thread cause I know exactly whatÆs coming we only had this same discussion about 200 times you just gotta understand you have to use caldari ships in a different way now, you actually have to think about your setup now like all other races, doing crap damage on a frig with trops? too bad, large guns cant even hit them in most cases.
Caldari ships are not worst then other, most experienced caldari pilots that actually know what theyÆre talking about will agree with me when I say caldari ships got better after exodus.
Try a few painers or a webber or both if you want to kill frig or cruiser sized ships with torps, or just simply fit some smaller missile bays on.
maybe they are there for a reason
christ, they wont stop "whining" until they give caldari theyr ability's to do somting back.
check the guy's face. he's a caldari. he probably flies caldari ships. i think he can work it out himself
if he doesn;t, let me tell you, as a caldari pilot: caldari are NOT ****. they used to be overpowered, and they have been bought back in line. the only problems that now exist are:
1) the damage formula's don;t make sig less of a problem on stationary/slow targets
2) speed/mass/agility/warp efficiency sux
3) BCU CPU
4) HACs
5) Moa
if these are corrected, i will be happy. if not, **** happens. i happen to like my caldari ships, and have NEVER felt outclassed. there are 2 ship types caldari suck at; HACs and the moa. otherwise, you will do no better or worse than any other race overall.
ofc, in some situations, caldari are a bit poo - sniping in 0.1-0.4 at a gate for example. however, i would say EVERY other race has other weaknesses comparable or worse than this
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Maxxed all his skills yet he doesnt have a sig or corp. Man, you know how to play EVE.
he is one day old. i checked that out and mentioned it on the first page
besides, no sig doesn't make you a noob  perhaps i ought to correct that though
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:34:00 -
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I think the largest problem with Caldari ship and why people say they suck is that they are very inflexible.
They might be very good at one specific thing but the problem is they suck at everything else. For example raven, it's now THE best battleship for a 1v1 vs other battleships at point blank range but other than that is has no real use.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
I think the largest problem with Caldari ship and why people say they suck is that they are very inflexible.
They might be very good at one specific thing but the problem is they suck at everything else. For example raven, it's now THE best battleship for a 1v1 vs other battleships at point blank range but other than that is has no real use.
i can find all my problems in that, im a mission runner, i dont pvp since its just sitting @ a gate waiting for somting to come by, any other stratagie olmost never works.
1vs1 battles never take place, only when testing ur ship vs other corp mates or when having somting like a tournament.
i am a mission runner, there aint a singel mission involving 1 sort of enemy.
they always have alot of evryting (mix of alot of frigs fewer cruiser and a few battle ships)
the frigs are hardest of the hardest, they take a long long time to take down (way longer and slower targeting to (escpecialy on raven)), longer then the battle ships in the same mission, and the frigs webifier and scramble.
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RabbidFerret
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
i was playing world of imbacraft but i quited cause it was exactly that imbalanced. now i come back to eve and see caldari are ruined. you all can be ironic but you all know there is a problem. well i think wow won me again. at least in that you can advance to the good races faster.
and if i eventually quit of course you can have my stuff i have no use for them, but i dont think u gonna want them they are all caldari ships...
If you chose WoW over EVE because the caldari ships are unbalanced (and they're not) than we really dont want you here. Its not the ship, its the pilot.
All your ferrets are belong to us.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: RabbidFerret
If you chose WoW over EVE because the caldari ships are unbalanced (and they're not) than we really dont want you here. Its not the ship, its the pilot.
QFT
and tbh, i woulda thought blizzard would get balance right - they did it amazingly well in warcraft 3
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
I think the largest problem with Caldari ship and why people say they suck is that they are very inflexible.
They might be very good at one specific thing but the problem is they suck at everything else. For example raven, it's now THE best battleship for a 1v1 vs other battleships at point blank range but other than that is has no real use.
Spot on.
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Zethwi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Zethwi on 31/10/2005 21:24:59
Originally by: Gunstar Zero
Originally by: Hoshi
I think the largest problem with Caldari ship and why people say they suck is that they are very inflexible.
They might be very good at one specific thing but the problem is they suck at everything else. For example raven, it's now THE best battleship for a 1v1 vs other battleships at point blank range but other than that is has no real use.
Spot on.
/signed
reduce damage on 1vs1 and reduce the way - to -big - sig penalty
i think it would pleace both missile and turret whiners
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Larts
well as the topic says, currently all caldari ships are worst than all of the others, and the missile nerf was the final shot.no caldari ship can be called "a very good ship", unlike others, all are a joke. i trained my skills to caldari brought them all to 5, lost so much time and now i totally regret it. moving to another race is not an option for me, i dont want to lose anotehr 4 months to max the other skills. i wish i could move mny sp to another race. CCP are you aware of the problem or you think all are fine?
personally i will wait till next patch, if there are no changes i think im gonna quit.
Sorry, but after just watching a corpmate fire torps with about an 8.8 sec ROF, I have to say Caldari ships work fine if you train.
Also, Harpies are extremely good, hell even the merlin and worm are good, i'd use them all the time if my caracal didn't do 150-200dmg per missile (so x5) from 75km away when flying wing for people.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Wrayeth
Not Caldari as a whole, just the Caldari HACs and the missile damage formula in general (sig penalty is too harsh atm).
HACs I completely agree with. Eagle is decent, but the cerberus is just crap except in certain situations.
The sig radius formula IMO is fine. No other turretship can even hit small ships with its guns--they generally just use drones. And the raven can certainly fit a decent load of those.
I don't care about the damned frigs - I just sic drones on them. It's CRUISERS that are the problem. A properly-tanked cruiser (2 med rep II, kinetic, thermal, and explosive hardeners, decent cap recharge) can PERMATANK a raven's damage output.
Yes, that's right - it can tank it eternally unless the raven uses nos.
And HACs are even worse.
Compare this to turret ships, which at their optimal can own cruisers and HACs with little difficulty without resorting to nos (though, of course, nos always makes it easier).
Okay, now that you've read that, please read it again - I am not saying torps and cruise should do more damage to frigates; I don't give a **** about frigates - that's not the raven's role. Cruisers, on the other hand, need to take more damage from torpedos and cruise missiles, though I'm not advocating for full damage, just more than they inflict now (i.e. enough to break a HAC tank).
This rant has been brought to you by the fact that I'm sick of Caldari getting the shaft, and even more sick of people whining about how Caldari pilots "whine too much" despite the fact that Caldari have issues atm.
...oh, and the fact that I just read in the latest dev blog that the Caldari sentry drones will (of course), have the weakest damage output of all.
-Wrayeth
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Hanz
Originally by: Gazzaa29
Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points.
Eh', it's called NOS and drones + web.
Unless you're fighting NPCs, then it's just double web because you can't drain an NPC's cap, they always have the energy to use mods (which is BS).
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Sorry, but after just watching a corpmate fire torps with about an 8.8 sec ROF, I have to say Caldari ships work fine if you train.
Really? And how does does it follow that an 8.8 second rate of fire make the raven "fine"? Just because it fires relatively quickly does not make it good - have your raven pilot buddy try to kill a HAC without resorting to nos while that HAC fires back at him.
Alrighty, did he lose his raven? Yep? Thought so.
Now have that same HAC pilot pay my autocannon tempest a visit - I won't use any nos. Make sure he brings enough money to buy a new ship, because he's gonna need it.
Quote:
Also, Harpies are extremely good, hell even the merlin and worm are good, i'd use them all the time if my caracal didn't do 150-200dmg per missile (so x5) from 75km away when flying wing for people.
The Caldari frigs and turret ships are fine, for the most part. However, the larger missile boats (which are supposed to be the "ships of the line" of the Caldari) struggle massively. You said it yourself: they're great in a support role (i.e. "flying wing for people"), but can't effectively hold their own in the thick of things; the only exception to this is the raven, and only when fighting other battleships at short range - and turret ships are not so limited.
-Wrayeth
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Pestillence
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Posted - 2005.10.31 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gazzaa29
Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points.
Serosly tho, u call urself a caldari pilot, yet u loose ur raven to a lvl2 mission wtf.. Quit now plse b4 u make the rest of us caldari look bad.
Incase u dont quite try these ideas: Shield tank, drones, dont fit a smaller launcher, fit a small laser in that last hi slot. Ul find that u dont die then when doing missions that ppl can do in frigs lol.
The only thing wrong wiv caldari rite now is the hacs mainly (the only choice we got is "do i use a missile lr or turet lr ship" If u dont fight lr then u dont fully use the bonases on the ship wich just dont feel rite), Maybees small missiles on a crow too cus thats a bit of a joke tbh.
Err, the raven and level 2 missions was satire Einstein.
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Ace Combat
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Posted - 2005.11.01 00:13:00 -
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IMO only thing wrong with Caldari ships is they need a slight speed boost.
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Sp33d Fr3ak
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Posted - 2005.11.01 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sp33d Fr3ak on 01/11/2005 00:58:00
Soz, check below, stupid ass alt does whatever he wants
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.11.01 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Slapudan
Caldari Cruisers used to be able to fire torps back in the day. I lost my first rax to a MJ Torp spamming Blackbird.
Haha, I remember we used to kill AFK battleships in Amarr (prime) with 2 or 3 caracals all kitted up with 5 torps a piece. Half the time we even got away thanks to the slow response times of CONCORD then. You think empire suicide greifers are bad now...
-Druid
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2005.11.01 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
i spend aboud 7 months on caldari and im not happy with the results.
i am so NOT having the ability of doing lvl4 solo, that will take a long long time..
neather to mine effecient.
im non stop lvl3 missions
it takes me a houre to do lvl3 angel extravaganza and that misions pays out a total of aboud 4-5 mil.
i use 6x heavy missile launcher, its just the frigs are invoulnerable... webbing/painting does not work with missiels. i have to wait until the drones killed evry frig and it takes looongg...
i can not do any ting else as doing lvl3 non stop and making no progres in the game at all, and im notplanning to switch skil trianing to.
it will prob not take long till i stop eve. your suposed to make progres but since cold war i have only gone backward and im going backward more with the next patch, ccp will find a way to nerf me more..
I've been concentrating on missile/engineering skills for less then half the time you have and am doing lvl 3 angel extravaganza in 45 mins which includes the time it takes to collect the loot.
Use cruise not heavy missiles and what drones you using? Light? Also a couple of salvos of cruise will take out most frigs except the vipers and webbers.
Cruise+drones is all you need, lvl 4s I don't do since one lag spike would really p*** on my chips. So I'm waiting to improve my tanking ability first.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2005.11.01 04:38:00 -
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As a new Caldari player, the only thing I would like to see is:
Better warp ability. Even with lvl 3 warp drive op, my caracal struggles in longer jumps (over 50au).
Medium slot damage boosters for missiles. A missile equivalent to Tracking Computer's please.
Implants that affect missile damage / stats, just like turret users have access to.
A slight increase in the impact Target Painters have on missile damage (seems nonexistant as far as I've experienced.)
Some or all of those would go a long ways in helping.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.11.01 07:41:00 -
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in the topic above is a treath wich suggests to change the missile velocity bonus to somting else
(5% signature bonus i would say) it would be more helpfull then 10% speed.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.11.01 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: The Wizz117
in the topic above is a treath wich suggests to change the missile velocity bonus to somting else
(5% signature bonus i would say) it would be more helpfull then 10% speed.
I'd personaly like to see 2 things:
explosion radius decrease for heavies and cruises, med slot explosion radius decreasing module (kinda like a tracking comp).
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Gazzaa29
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Posted - 2005.11.01 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Hanz
Originally by: Gazzaa29
Yeah good point. Any apoc pilots here able to hit a frig orbiting @1km. No didnt think so. There for the raven is best at hitting close range frigs wiv its big weapons, even if it is by 3 dmge points.
Eh', it's called NOS and drones + web.
Aye? wtf u on about m8?!.
my post was in responce to that bloke saying cal ships suk cus his torp did 3 dmge to a frig orbiting @1km, a torp wil always hit where a gun wont, that was my point.
Oh an by the way, nos nor webs will help much wen ur trying to kill a npc frig.. Now im starting to c y so many ppl think the raven sux, cus u aint got a clue.
Let me repeat myself, the best way to kill a npc frig in a torp raven is drones and a small gun, preferably a laser.
when doing missions especially lvl4s dont wast ure time wiv webs an tps, use ure mids for tanking, all 6 slots.. Fit 6 siege utherwise killing thos big bses will b a pain, ave a nos fitted cus that helps ur tank an then fit a small laser in the last hi to help ur drones wiv the frigs. the npc cruisers go down easy enough wiv torps they pop really fast if u have ur drones attacking em too.
Now im gonna wait for sum other noob to quote 1 sentance of wat ive just said an use it waaaaay outa context. Either that or sum1 will point out my bad spelling or grammer, it always hapens :p
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Zantazar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 11:57:00 -
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Well a corp mate sold me a raven for 100mil, and the corp fitted it for me free. I been looking forward to getting this uber ship, and I have joined in on a few ratting ops with my mates. I am suprised at the lack of "bang" on the 6 cruise I have fitted, yet to train for nos, shield strength with the 3 hardners + xlshield I have is excellent, but I am a noob at flying this ship. I have flown a ferox for last 2 months and love it, not sure that the raven was as wise a choice now though reading ALL the posts here. Maybe Scorpion might be better. But I do agree with earlier post, that after concentrating skill training in Caldari, it would be AWFUL to have to retrain again in another race. I like Caldari ships, I just hope that the missile issue will be resolved, possibly with just a little adjusting to their damage abilities against smaller ships.
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2005.11.01 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gazzaa29
Aye? wtf u on about m8?!.
my post was in responce to that bloke saying cal ships suk cus his torp did 3 dmge to a frig orbiting @1km, a torp wil always hit where a gun wont, that was my point.
Oh an by the way, nos nor webs will help much wen ur trying to kill a npc frig.. Now im starting to c y so many ppl think the raven sux, cus u aint got a clue.
Let me repeat myself, the best way to kill a npc frig in a torp raven is drones and a small gun, preferably a laser.
when doing missions especially lvl4s dont wast ure time wiv webs an tps, use ure mids for tanking, all 6 slots.. Fit 6 siege utherwise killing thos big bses will b a pain, ave a nos fitted cus that helps ur tank an then fit a small laser in the last hi to help ur drones wiv the frigs. the npc cruisers go down easy enough wiv torps they pop really fast if u have ur drones attacking em too.
Now im gonna wait for sum other noob to quote 1 sentance of wat ive just said an use it waaaaay outa context. Either that or sum1 will point out my bad spelling or grammer, it always hapens :p
now 2 points:
"Fit 6 siege utherwise killing thos big bses will b a pain"
"the npc cruisers go down easy enough wiv torps they pop really fast if u have ur drones attacking em too."
Try with players, and then report the results.
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Legenda
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:12:00 -
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I think you sir poster of this thread suck big time at any race and have no idea at all about Caldari..
The Raven is a damn scary thing in 1 vs 1 BS battle ...
With the right skills up it can be damn effective ...,specially close range ! Just imagin e a rof of 8 sec and your torps doing 800 + damage ...,now thats fecking scary and possible !!
Still very usefull in mission runs...
There are so many other caldari ships that are far away from a bad ship...
Sure ..,missile changes where are bit to harsh but what you do is you addapt to it...
If you cant do that then i think its better to quit ....
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Dragy
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Legenda
Just imagin e a rof of 8 sec and your torps doing 800 + damage ...,now thats fecking scary and possible !!
with rattlesnake, raction guns, faction bcu's & faction torps ?
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Dragy
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:35:00 -
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i say add 5% to kinetic torps/cruises missile damage per lvl, btw what guided missile precision skill does ?
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Gazzaa29
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Posted - 2005.11.01 14:59:00 -
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Ive killed pc cruisers easy enough, even thos plated raxes.
If ur soo confident bout cruisers laughing at a torp raven y dont u bring ur cruiser out an we`l do a little testing
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