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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.10.31 13:53:00 -
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I just read about WoW using their punkbuster program called Warden reported in the BBC news. It not only checks the status of the WoW files, but checks what other programs are running as well and reports this back.
I personally wouldnt mind such programs running if it meant less macro miners out there myself or other possible eve client hacks.
Whatya think?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.10.31 13:57:00 -
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If it doesnt delete my **** and counters cheating the no problems here 
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Scyrdein
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:00:00 -
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That could help to get rid of such [censored] players :D
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:00:00 -
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Since I don't use cheats, macros, etc., I'm all for it. :)
Then again it's not like there's much reason to mess with the client or textures or whatnot. I so rarely hear people yelling WALLHAX! or AIMBOT! in fights... :P
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:06:00 -
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I heard Warden checked the information of files totally unrelated to WoW, and that in my opinion is worrisome. I wouldn't appreciate it if CCP attempted to read what else I was doing on the computer, if simply on principle. However if it DID check for macros, and ONLY macros, I'd be happy with it. It'd help put Macroers back in their place.
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Hannibal AntePorta
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Posted - 2005.10.31 14:08:00 -
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Nevr played with Warden but I do know Punkbuster is sloooooooow. No thanks, unless they can come up with something that doesn't invade my private computer and still detects bad programs running for their game.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 17:58:49
 Originally by: David Corbett
I heard Warden checked the information of files totally unrelated to WoW, and that in my opinion is worrisome.
Yeah Blizzards official response is here and the guy who reverse engineered the program here. Apparantly it checks the title bar of all programs and compares it to a list of bannable strings (presumely macro programs), in its next test it reads all processes running on your computer and again checks this against a black list. The test runs every 15 seconds and according to Blizzard, takes less memory than loading a text web page to run.
Legally of course, EULA compliance checkling software is within their rights as its a grey area still. As i said, I would be happy for eve to run similar if it meant getting rid of macrobots and hackers.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.10.31 17:59:00 -
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I'd be up for this.
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Temi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:00:00 -
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i dont like it reading what other stuff i am using on my pc, but besides that it'd be all cool \o/
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:01:00 -
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Aslong as any info isn't shared with 3rd parties, i'm all for it.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Temi
i dont like it reading what other stuff i am using on my pc, but besides that it'd be all cool \o/
All it's going to read is "not a macro, not a macro, not a macro, not a macro."
What's the problem?
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Lord Sid
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:13:00 -
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It's simple what i run on my computer is no one's business but my own.
Besides the fact that any program that comes out is just going to be hacked and modded anyways. You're just asking for a false security blanket.
"Those who would give up freedom for more security, deserve neither." - Ben Franklin |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:17:00 -
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Something needs to be done about the macro/eBay situation.
CCP has allowed this to fester too long.
So I'd be all for something like this...
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franny
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:18:00 -
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how do you guarntee they won't sell the info to 3rd parties?
now as someone who won't ever buy a product from Blizcrap(personal reasons), it's nice to see they are finally *****ing down on cheaters
but I don't trust anyone, seeing whats running is not a real issue and as I browse from my 2nd pc there is little to find but some of the cookies are still there and at what point are they allowed to scan before they are told to stop?
programs running?, cookies?, url history?(omg he went to ebay, BAN him)
I have a lot of anti-virus and anti-spyware software I run quite often, if any of them flag a program it's gone.. if they flag'd eve it would be gone too
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Sid
It's simple what i run on my computer is no one's business but my own.
But it would be CCP's business if you were using programs to exploit their servers or software. They legally have that right to check if you are.
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Besides the fact that any program that comes out is just going to be hacked and modded anyways. You're just asking for a false security blanket.
if you read about warden, the dll's are dumped every time you login, so trying to disable warden I imagine would be a challenge.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:53:00 -
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You do know that Warden reports false positives right? It only reads the Window name.
So if I open Notepad and call it OMG TEH HAX and there is a program out there with that in the titlebar then you will be reported as hacknig.
No, this warden program is stupid. The only reason it's in WOW is because of the huge player base and the amount of hacks for the program.
It's more for hacks, not macros. Most EVE macros use a script engine program that executes ever x seconds. These programs are qute legit as ive started before I use them to admin Windows 2003 servers.
So in short, NO.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Lord Sid
It's simple what i run on my computer is no one's business but my own.
But it would be CCP's business if you were using programs to exploit their servers or software. They legally have that right to check if you are.
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Besides the fact that any program that comes out is just going to be hacked and modded anyways. You're just asking for a false security blanket.
if you read about warden, the dll's are dumped every time you login, so trying to disable warden I imagine would be a challenge.
They don't "legally" have any right. It depends on what is in the EULA and which country you are in.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.31 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
if you read about warden, the dll's are dumped every time you login, so trying to disable warden I imagine would be a challenge.
There's no legal right to go through someone's computer to look for undesirables. What there is, is an agreement you would agree to every time you run the game that says they can do that, and if you don't like it you don't play the game. :)
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:04:00 -
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I dont think eve actually needs a "cheat" detection program itself as practically everything is handled server side leaving nothing somone could actually hack.
That said if it can be used to detect and block macros, doesn't cause alot of lag or have any real hit on performance then im all for it.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:28:00 -
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EVE is pretty damn well covered.
WoW's fatal flaw is that alot of stuff is handled client-side, like speed, etc. EVE doesn't have that problem.
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Resetgun
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:32:00 -
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It is ok for me, if they make clear announcement when/if they are using that kind programs - and develope this kind program openly. I would be bit suspicious if I would suddenly find that some program is scanning my computer. But in the end any software in my system might be somekind spyware. If you want to have secure computer you should lock your computer safe and cut all wires - ofcourse, it wouldn't be much use then.
It seems like cheaters and black hat hackers are coming better every year. Eventually all major MMORPG / network game companies must run somekind cheat detection program in client side. It is not game companies fault - it is cheaters and hackers fault.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:33:00 -
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as one of devs posted awhile ago (cant find link) its quite hard to cheat in eve. if u fuddle with ur clinet, when it sends the wonky data the server says bugger off and just carries on doing what it was doing. as said so much is done server side cheating isnt much of an issue in eve. exploiting and macroing are. I dont like punkbuster style prog's, and really dont see the need for them in eve. use the petiton system if ur worried.
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burningsquid
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Posted - 2005.10.31 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: burningsquid on 31/10/2005 19:59:02
Originally by: Druid R
as one of devs posted awhile ago (cant find link) its quite hard to cheat in eve. if u fuddle with ur clinet, when it sends the wonky data the server says bugger off and just carries on doing what it was doing. as said so much is done server side cheating isnt much of an issue in eve. exploiting and macroing are. I dont like punkbuster style prog's, and really dont see the need for them in eve. use the petiton system if ur worried.
I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the client used some sort of cryptographic hash to send data back to the server, so that it can easily filter out and ignore info that isn't legit.
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:06:00 -
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In theory, I'm all for it but a lot depends on how it's implemented. I've never encountered Warden but Punkbuster drives me nuts. The other problem is that I usually run Eve while working so I'd want some fairly strong assurances that firstly, my info isn't being sold on and secondly, the progs I'm running are just being checked against a blacklist and then discarded.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:48:00 -
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No way in hell, AM i letting CCP look at my hd and what i am doing while i play eve, If they feel like trying it am sure the EU court of human rights (namley the right to privacy) will have soemthign to say about it.
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
No way in hell, AM i letting CCP look at my hd and what i am doing while i play eve, If they feel like trying it am sure the EU court of human rights (namley the right to privacy) will have soemthign to say about it.
Depends. If they make it part of teh EULA, then the right to privacy doesn't come into it since you agree to a limited abrogation of that right when you agree to the EULA.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:54:00 -
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Privacy is the first great battle of the 21st century, and we are losing. Badly.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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capt
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:04:00 -
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If ccps version of punkbuster meant a blonde, longlegged, member of the finnish bikini-team, with huge knockers and listening to the name of Inga...... I'd let her check the ins and outs of my pc every damn day  
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sidthesexist
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Something needs to be done about the macro/eBay situation.
CCP has allowed this to fester too long.
So I'd be all for something like this...
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it seems that most systems you go into now are full of people in noob corps who never reply to convos ect stripping the belts clean
I know several people who have petitioned these people and have had little or no responce while the macroers are still in the area weeks later
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:21:00 -
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The data wont have to be transmitted across the internet to CCP's servers. All the client has to do is update its list of known macro programs.
Then...
Compare whats running with the list. If a macro programme is running, then and only then does it act by.
1.) Denying you access to the server
2.) Transmitting your username and account details to CCP for further investigation.
There we go, no "rights" infringed, and everyone is happy.
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