duration | falloff | range | strength 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 1.5 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.65 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.3 |
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 duration | falloff | range | targ range mult | scan res mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | max range mult | tracking mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | sig radius bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 20 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 8 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 4 |
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 duration | range | speed bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | -40 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | -20 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | -10 |
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 duration | range | energy trans 
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large | 6 | 10 000 | 30 |
medium | 6 | 7 500 | 12 |
small | 6 | 5 000 | 6 |
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 duration | opt range | falloff | tracking
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amarr | 2 | 30 000 | 10 000 | 0.016 |
caldari | 2 | 50 000 | 25 000 | 0.010 |
gallente | 2 | 20 000 | 10 000 | 0.030 |
minmatar | 2 | 40 000 | 35 000 | 0.010 |
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 damage mult | damage (50) 
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amarr | 1.3 | Em |
caldari | 1.2 | Kinetic |
gallente | 1.6 | Thermal |
minmatar | 1.4 | Explosive |
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 duration | range | armor repair 
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large | 10 | 10 000 | 120 |
medium | 10 | 7 500 | 48 |
small | 10 | 5 000 | 24 |
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 duration | range | shield boost 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 60 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 24 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 12 |
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 duration | falloff | range | strength 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 1.5 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.65 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.3 |
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 duration | falloff | range | targ range mult | scan res mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | max range mult | tracking mult 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 0.75 | 0.75 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 0.88 | 0.88 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 0.95 | 0.95 |
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 duration | falloff | range | sig radius bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 10 000 | 20 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 7 500 | 8 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 5 000 | 4 |
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 duration | range | speed bonus 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | -40 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | -20 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | -10 |
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 duration | range | energy trans 
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large | 6 | 10 000 | 25 |
medium | 6 | 7 500 | 10 |
small | 6 | 5 000 | 5 |
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 duration | opt range | falloff | tracking
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amarr | 4 | 30 000 | 10 000 | 0.016 |
caldari | 4 | 50 000 | 25 000 | 0.010 |
gallente | 4 | 20 000 | 10 000 | 0.030 |
minmatar | 4 | 40 000 | 35 000 | 0.010 |
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 damage mult | damage (50) 
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amarr | 1.3 | Em |
caldari | 1.2 | Kinetic |
gallente | 1.6 | Thermal |
minmatar | 1.4 | Explosive |
 ----------------------------

 duration | range | armor repair 
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large | 10 | 10 000 | 120 |
medium | 10 | 7 500 | 48 |
small | 10 | 5 000 | 24 |
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 duration | range | shield boost 
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large | 5 | 10 000 | 60 |
medium | 5 | 7 500 | 24 |
small | 5 | 5 000 | 12 |
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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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Originally by: DrunkenOne

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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 31/10/2005 14:23:13
Well here we have it, the end of eve. Forget fitting a tank when you can just have 6+ EW drones to make sure your opponent never shoots you, and then you can fit full gank.

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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Originally by: Farjung

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This could be insane... so a domi under this new system could carry 15 large drones yeah? So theoretically, it could wander around with say, nos, tank and a bunch of caldari racials in its midslots, 5 tracking disrupting drones (or 4 and a webifying drone depending on how the new stacking penalty comes in to play), 10 damage dealing drones. If it ran into a caldari bs it'd be fine because of ECM, if it ran into a turret bs it could suck away with its nos while the tracking disruptor drones reduced the target's dps hugely, and once the target's out of cap could switch to damage drones to get the techincality of blowing the ship up out of the way.

It'll add a whole new level of complexity to combat, seems very interesting. I can't see how it won't make drone boats completely overpowered though ¼_¼.

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Originally by: Illana Ellest

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One ship that seems to have ben missed out here is the Ishkur, I can't see any mention of it. Will its Drone bay size bonus stay teh same even if it can only use 5 drones at once? or will it be given a static drone bay and a drone thermal bonus like the dominix and Ishtar? On the whole, some interesting things to think about, although this could spell disaster for domi/ishtar pilots if not done properly.

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Originally by: Illana Ellest

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One ship that seems to have ben missed out here is the Ishkur, I can't see any mention of it. Will its Drone bay size bonus stay teh same even if it can only use 5 drones at once? or will it be given a static drone bay and a drone thermal bonus like the dominix and Ishtar? On the whole, some interesting things to think about, although this could spell disaster for domi/ishtar pilots if not done properly.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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Originally by: j0sephine

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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2005 15:20:00

"I'm also rather interested to see how the tracking disrupting drones and sensor dampening work once the new stacking penalty comes in"

Could you please comment/explain some more on this? Been so far under impression there's no real stacking penalty on tracking disruptors/dampeners to speak of, which is partly the reason friggin' thing is currently so overpowered...

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Originally by: Gastropod

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We need warp scrambling drones.
How could you have missed that tux?

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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Have these been tested? I haven't been there in a while, but it seems like this change deserves it more than any other in my playtime

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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Have these been tested? I haven't been there in a while, but it seems like this change deserves it more than any other in my playtime

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:57:53
Curious about sentry drones;

Will they work like sentry turrets? Ie you drop em somewhere and thell just sit there and shoot random stuff untill they die or do you actually have to stay near them to order them?

It sounds rather overpowered if its the first option, it sounds rather useless if its the 2nd

Edit:
Back onto the subject of drone carriers. Why not remove the currently useless bonus (Ie the Turret Damage bonus on the ishtar, with its 3 turret slots...) and replace that with some form of drone bonus too. Perhaps give it a 2nd bonus to a diffrent damage type?

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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain

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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 31/10/2005 15:57:53
Curious about sentry drones;

Will they work like sentry turrets? Ie you drop em somewhere and thell just sit there and shoot random stuff untill they die or do you actually have to stay near them to order them?

It sounds rather overpowered if its the first option, it sounds rather useless if its the 2nd

Edit:
Back onto the subject of drone carriers. Why not remove the currently useless bonus (Ie the Turret Damage bonus on the ishtar, with its 3 turret slots...) and replace that with some form of drone bonus too. Perhaps give it a 2nd bonus to a diffrent damage type?

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Originally by: Kaell Meynn

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TUX - The Thermal only thing for Gallenete really really sux!!! Some Gallenete have trained things like Minmatar Specialization level 4+ to get Berserker II's, and bought a crapload of Berserker II's to use in this role. At least give us a years use before you make the investment a waste of ISK, so we can see some return from our invested time and ISK, thanks.

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Originally by: Kaell Meynn

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TUX - The Thermal only thing for Gallenete really really sux!!! Some Gallenete have trained things like Minmatar Specialization level 4+ to get Berserker II's, and bought a crapload of Berserker II's to use in this role. At least give us a years use before you make the investment a waste of ISK, so we can see some return from our invested time and ISK, thanks.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Exactly, great point. Who's going to use Caldari drones? They don't have a drone ship period. If you are going to make the damage bonus effect all drones please do so for the Arbitrator as well. It's our only cruiser which has a chance of not being 100% predictable.

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Originally by: Meridius

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Exactly, great point. Who's going to use Caldari drones? They don't have a drone ship period. If you are going to make the damage bonus effect all drones please do so for the Arbitrator as well. It's our only cruiser which has a chance of not being 100% predictable.

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Originally by: Ithildin

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What about those ships? Will they get halved rounded up, rounded down, or simply rounded stupid (i.e. not at all). Specifically, will the Atron have room for 0, 0.5, or 1 small drones?
Or will you go through all the half-a-drone ships and make an ad-hoc decision (f.ex. Atron and Maulus is rounded up while Taranis is rounded down)?

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Originally by: Ithildin

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What about those ships? Will they get halved rounded up, rounded down, or simply rounded stupid (i.e. not at all). Specifically, will the Atron have room for 0, 0.5, or 1 small drones?
Or will you go through all the half-a-drone ships and make an ad-hoc decision (f.ex. Atron and Maulus is rounded up while Taranis is rounded down)?

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Originally by: Kirtan Loor

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Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but:

I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV

Ogre I's have 11 base dps

Today:
Vexor with 6 Ogre I's

11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones =

121.44 dps

Beginning December:
Vexor with 3 Ogre I's

11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 =

153.01 dps

I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config.

I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!!

Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships.

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Originally by: Kirtan Loor

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Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but:

I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV

Ogre I's have 11 base dps

Today:
Vexor with 6 Ogre I's

11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones =

121.44 dps

Beginning December:
Vexor with 3 Ogre I's

11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 =

153.01 dps

I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config.

I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!!

Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships.

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Originally by: Rex Martell

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Dont know if everybody knew this but the Rate of Fire on a Sentry Drone is 4 sec's instead of the standard 2 sec's for normal drones.

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Originally by: Rex Martell

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Dont know if everybody knew this but the Rate of Fire on a Sentry Drone is 4 sec's instead of the standard 2 sec's for normal drones.

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Originally by: Ithildin

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They look like they're featuring heavily on the EWar drone skill, and seem to land at 1 powergrid and 20-50 CPU.

Although, on closer inspection it seems there's about two modules ready for launch. They are drone damage mods.
Scout Drone Computer Link I: 5 PG, 35 CPU, 7.5% damage and tracking, 25% velocity, 15% orbit velocity
Heavy Drone Navigation Link I: 200 powergrid, 50 CPU, -90x damage, -91% tracking, -100% velocity, 199% orbit velocity (DONT ask me what this module REALLY does...)

There's also a drone bay expander. I'll give an example of the Micro one (and a pre-scriptum the large on costs 1250 PG and gives 80(0?) drone bay):
5 powergrid, 40 cpu.
-10% Cargo Capacity
MaxActiveDrone 1 (all *sane* drone bay modules have this one, there's also a Mega Droner which gives 5 million more dronebay and 5 thousand more drone active)
DroneBayBoost 10(0?)

Battle-indy anyone?

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Originally by: Ithildin

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They look like they're featuring heavily on the EWar drone skill, and seem to land at 1 powergrid and 20-50 CPU.

Although, on closer inspection it seems there's about two modules ready for launch. They are drone damage mods.
Scout Drone Computer Link I: 5 PG, 35 CPU, 7.5% damage and tracking, 25% velocity, 15% orbit velocity
Heavy Drone Navigation Link I: 200 powergrid, 50 CPU, -90x damage, -91% tracking, -100% velocity, 199% orbit velocity (DONT ask me what this module REALLY does...)

There's also a drone bay expander. I'll give an example of the Micro one (and a pre-scriptum the large on costs 1250 PG and gives 80(0?) drone bay):
5 powergrid, 40 cpu.
-10% Cargo Capacity
MaxActiveDrone 1 (all *sane* drone bay modules have this one, there's also a Mega Droner which gives 5 million more dronebay and 5 thousand more drone active)
DroneBayBoost 10(0?)

Battle-indy anyone?

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Originally by: Nekhad Jormuzzar

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Tuxford: was reverting the Ishtar bay bonus to 25m^3 in 3742 intentional? In the second blog you mentioned it was to stay 50m^3 (and that was briefly the case during 3739).

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Originally by: Nekhad Jormuzzar

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Tuxford: was reverting the Ishtar bay bonus to 25m^3 in 3742 intentional? In the second blog you mentioned it was to stay 50m^3 (and that was briefly the case during 3739).

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