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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:26:00 -
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The Myrmidon gets no love. It's not a Command ship, and it's not the Navy ship. I think it'd be neat for the Myrmidon to be the Eos. The Astarte has to be the Brutix, but an Eos Myrm would be glorious. Although I'd be sad to see the Brutix Eos go at the same time.
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
If the Eos goes to the Myrmidon hull, I will buy both the Eos and the Astarte and use them in glorious combat after tiercide.
If the Sleipnir went to the Hurricane hull I probably wouldn't buy it, because I don't like the Hurricane. But I like the Claymore way better than the Sleipnir anyway.
If the Nighthawk goes to the Drake hull it'd be the only time I ever used a Drake hull. That paint scheme would look good on it.
If the Absolution went to the Harbinger hull, there's a 50% chance I'd sell mine to buy another Eos, haha.
Personally I think the hull changes would make sense. The Sleipnir is basically a Hurricane with a falloff bonus and active shield tank bonus (2/4 Hurricane, 1/4 Cyclone, 1/4 Random T2 bonus, while trading a low slot for a turret), so making it a Hurricane makes sense. The Absolution now gets Harbinger bonuses after tiercide (3/4 bonuses Harbinger, 1 bonus Prophecy) and honestly the Harbinger might look REALLY good as a Carthum ship. The Eos being Myrmidon makes 150% sense and I would adore that (please!). The Nighthawk going to Drake makes just as much sense with the missile bonuses, and the Drake Navy Issue is so hard to look at because of that camo I'd much rather get a Nighthawk.
But seriously CCP, do it.
Edit:
I retract my previous statement. I would not sell my Absolution. And I would totally buy that Eos.
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:03:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:I don't know if you are still reading this thread CCP Fozzie, but can you explain this contradiction? CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on. Quote:Choosing between which hull to pick between the Brutix or Myrmidon proved to be tricky for Odyssey GÇô we finally picked the former as we foresaw some heavy role overlap for a possible Myrmidon Navy Issue with the Ishtar, Vexor Navy Issue, Gila or even Dominix. As a result, the Brutix Navy Issue is a ship that directly iterates on the strengths of its predecessor, with improved low slot layout and better damage application. I still think we could have gotten a blaster Navy Myrmidon.
I would so rock a Navydon with blasters. TBH though I'd rather the Eos be a Myrm (at the very least).
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:00:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:Yeah, and logic tells that prophecy and absolution have similarity in armor res bonuses and turret fitting
And absolution with harbinger have only turrets both, meantime harbinger can be fitted in shield tank.
And logic tells to us leave absolution alone! Damnation too.
Nah, logic says that everyone saying the changes shouldn't go through are doing so because they like the looks of the current command ships. And inversely the people who say that the changes should go through are doing so because they like the looks of the proposed hull change (and variety therein).
Game balance, bonuses of the ships, fittings, etc, none of that matters. You can say "Well the Sleipnir is too different from the Hurricane it wouldn't make sense and it gets a shield boost bonus!"
My response to you is: "Kronos (Megathron) with Hyperion rep bonus. Paladin (Apocalypse) with Hyperion rep bonus. Golem (Raven) with Maelstrom rep bonus. Vargur (Tempest) with Maelstrom rep bonus. Eos (Brutix) with drone bonuses. Damnation (Prophecy) with missile bonuses. The list goes on."
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Posted - 2013.06.07 04:22:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!!
Really? You don't not fly it because it's kind of the least attractive of all the Fleet Command Ships?
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Posted - 2013.06.07 07:10:00 -
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Ezek Price wrote:Sleipnir is universally recognised as a Cyclone hull. It's iconic.
It's universally recognized by players as the Cyclone hull because it's always been the Cyclone.
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:55:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is
- if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them?
so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus
Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus?
Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats?
Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong...
The question hasn't been asked because it was already answered, in the first post CCP made about the subject.
Which is "It would be an entirely visual change"
"GF"
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:15:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:But if we were going to consider each individually, I'm sure many people would find the idea of a black Hurricane-turned-Claymore just as appealing as a black Cyclone, and by doing that, you'd still keep the Sleipnir in its most iconic hull. Similarly, people love the Damnation in its current form, so that'd likely be set and free up the Abso to use the Harby hull. Oh hell no. Don't you make the beautiful Claymore just a "black" Hurricane. I hate the Hurricane, and I also hate the Sleipnir scheme. Therefor I support changing the Cyclone to Hurricane on the Sleipnir.
As for the Damnation/Absolution, the Harby is going to be Absolution anyway according to Fozzie's post, so not sure what you're talking about there.
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:26:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Quote:Turreted Drake? Sounds good! "Sounds demented" is more like it. Granted, Caldari ships are on average the product of someone's misadventures with an arc welder and illegal hallucinogenics but putting turrets on a drake is just... weird.
It's weird enough now that missile launchers have "turrets".
I think missile launchers should operate more like cruise/torpedo launchers where the missiles are internal and erupt from the ship.
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