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Rusty Scalpel
Domination Heavy Industries R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:27:00 -
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Part of what I do IRL is managing resources and manpower. 90% of the decision making is based on customer requests and requirements. We wouldn't be in business otherwise.
My question to the players, how important was it to have a new launcher, do you believe it was worth all the effort CCP put into it? How important was having a single sign on to the CCP websites?
Myself personally, already bypassed the launcher to speed up log in, only used it for updating when needed. The new one, OMG is it ever slow. Thankfully can still bypass it, would have to gouge my eyeballs out if I was "required" to use it logging in on my accounts.
Single sign on. seriously? Maybe once every few months I need to log into a EVE website. Like tonight to vent on the forums. Anyone at CCP care to comment on the investment made for this single sign on? Betting it was a huge chunk of change.
You want to improve the game? Get into the game. Have your developers in the game actually playing it as players to look for new ideas. Anything outside the sandbox, does not matter to players. at least that's my opinion.
Players aren't interested in the packaging the game is in. |

Jim Era
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:30:00 -
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I didn't care about single sign-on... and I absolutely have the new launcher. Feels like I'm logging into some free to play game.
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Osirus Darksun
Claws of the Demon Get in the Van.
8
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:35:00 -
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Not a big fan of the new launcher, myself. Completely unnecessary. |

Sandy fr
DAB Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:43:00 -
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the launcher is too much big, and of course useless
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
288
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:55:00 -
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If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product. |

Petrified
Old Men Online TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:58:00 -
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I detest the new launcher (now launcher and login manager).
It uses more resources than the old launcher and as we are experiencing tonight: is useless as a lead weight in a swimmer's shorts. They should consider rolling back to the old launcher (mainly old logon method which worked fine for a very, very, long time).
By they way, did anyone bother to tell them when the new launcher was being tested that they should remove the relaunch message you get when the client loses connection? |

Kathy Stewart
Blackwater Swat. Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:59:00 -
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i think they should rollback the game and launcher to 2007
good times... |

Lilliana Stelles
743
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:02:00 -
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I work as a Shibboleth/CAS authentication engineer.
I think it would be awesome to one day have SSO between EVE and third party applications via federation. Imagine launching EVE and automatically being able to connect to teamspeak, vent, and your corporation's forums.
It's a pipe dream right now... the only authentication service to feasibly make this work so far has been (sadly) Facebook.
But we have to stop somewhere.
Saying users don't care about it is rather shallow, because it doesn't realize the full potential of what the system can accomplish. Similar to how players complained about the Captain's Quarters without considering the future potential of WIS-based gameplay.
Have some patience. Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |

NAIRA HOKULANI
Bordello of Bleu's
3
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:03:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product. So I am guessing you think that Windows 8 is a good thing also? That above sound a lot like what MS was saying the beginning before PC sales took a dump. |

Petrified
Old Men Online TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:06:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product.
That is fine, but they need to separate the launcher from the sign on. If they needed to fix issues with the launcher providing a better down load experience, ok. But removing the logon from the client and placing it into the launcher was not necessary - even from a back end perspective (except perhaps if you wanted steam to be integrated - but how multiple account users will manage that is a curiosity). |

mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
418
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:09:00 -
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How CCP casually threw away the expansion themed login screens and music really concerns me.
That was part of Eve's legacy.
The best part of the bi-yearly new expansion ritual is loading up the new login screen and listening to the new music theme. Did nobody at CCP speak up? Maybe nobody really cares about such things, sad... |

Evei Shard
176
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:41:00 -
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CCP ignoring customer feedback and ramming broken/unfinished content down their customers throats is not new. Just dock up and click the button to enter the captains quarters if you need proof.
All that talk by CCP after Incarna was obviously just that, talk. They clearly didn't learn any lessons from it. Profit favors the prepared |

Doug Dredd
Elysium Dominion
12
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:45:00 -
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I like the new launcher - it allows me to log on slightly faster with multiple accounts. Nothing incredibly game changing but a nice frill. |

Tian Toralen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:47:00 -
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mechtech wrote:How CCP casually threw away the expansion themed login screens and music really concerns me.
That was part of Eve's legacy.
The best part of the bi-yearly new expansion ritual is loading up the new login screen and listening to the new music theme. Did nobody at CCP speak up? Maybe nobody really cares about such things, sad... Agree |

Prince Kobol
764
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:51:00 -
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NAIRA HOKULANI wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product. So I am guessing you think that Windows 8 is a good thing also? That above sound a lot like what MS was saying the beginning before PC sales took a dump.
Actually Windows 8 is very good, also PC and Laptop sales have been in decline for a couple of years now, nothing to do with Windows 8... |

Prince Kobol
764
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:52:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:CCP ignoring customer feedback and ramming broken/unfinished content down their customers throats is not new. Just dock up and click the button to enter the captains quarters if you need proof.
All that talk by CCP after Incarna was obviously just that, talk. They clearly didn't learn any lessons from it.
So out of the approx 450,000 accounts how many complained.. 20, 50, maybe 100? |

Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
55
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:05:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product. Now if we could just get the new launcher to provide increased stability to the servers... |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
350
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:50:00 -
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I don't need sso.
Good thing is, that the new launcher fixed some issues I had with the old launcher.
Bad thing is obviously the chore you have to go through in order to login to the game now. So I basically use the launcher only on one account to update the game. For everything else, exefile.exe is the preferred method. Remove insurance. |

Antecursor Venatus
Classis Argentum
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:08:00 -
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Used the new launcher once (when it came out)
Screwed up my install
Never touched it afterwards
A launcher, as its name implies, is there to LAUNCH THE GAME
Eve.exe does that perfectly fine.
Eve.exe for the win :) |

Vince Snetterton
290
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:13:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:If the new launcher provides increased stability in downloading larger patches, absolutely. SSO was also a significant step forward in integrating the Eve experience in a more seamless manner. Not everything needs to be driven by customer demand, this was driven by back end demands on the system. The Customer is not always right, even in retail. Sometimes things need to be done they don't understand or even want in order to keep overheads down in the longer run and continue to provide the product.
Yes, I am sure the marketing people at Coke when they introduced New Coke thought something similar. Or Microsoft and Windows 8. |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
654
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:24:00 -
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Its one step closer to swapping characters without logging out.
The BSOD the first time I ran it was a nice touch. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |

Khorisha Achat
Khanid Commodities
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:25:00 -
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Basicly the new Launcher could be a good thing but it seems like it is still in Beta. I mean, why can't we save preferences like screen resolution, graphics details, sound preferences and stuff to the account? New launcher should be able to do so but by now it's just annoying cause you only can use one client to run eve (instead of several clients with several setting files).
Also, why's there no option to log in multiple accounts? Players use several accounts since forever and then you get a new Launcher where you log in but still you need to change accounts? C'mon CCP you can do better. |

Uropyga
Star of Doom
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:29:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: So out of the approx 450,000 accounts how many complained.. 20, 50, maybe 100?
Where did you get these numbers?
With all these launcher issues I wonder how CCP wants to release major patch like "Odyssey" on schedule? |

Shian Yang
266
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:40:00 -
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Greetings capsuleer Scalpel,
I agree. The new protocols Concord has imposed for downloading to a pod and undocking is simply too cumbersome, unwieldy and provide far too little benefits. I have no desire to even watch the orbital mechanics of a ship in hanger.
Regards,
Capsuleer Yang |

Nanami Enpei
Shinden Shorai
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:44:00 -
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Rusty Scalpel wrote:
My question to the players, how important was it to have a new launcher, do you believe it was worth all the effort CCP put into it? How important was having a single sign on to the CCP websites?
Dunno if it was worth the effort for ccp. But i liked the old launcher more. And with these login issues... i would warmly welcome the old one back. (Still have to rely on the old one during such downtimes)
Rusty Scalpel wrote: Myself personally, already bypassed the launcher to speed up log in, only used it for updating when needed. The new one, OMG is it ever slow. Thankfully can still bypass it, would have to gouge my eyeballs out if I was "required" to use it logging in on my accounts.
Havent experienced an slower login with the new launcher, but the new one dont remembers my accountnames and to type everyone is very... argh.
@Prince Kobol:
When do People ever realize, that only a very small Portion of an community is taking part in forums? So even if only 20 complain ... ist still a good number. |

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
482
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:59:00 -
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Rusty Scalpel wrote:Part of what I do IRL is managing resources and manpower. 90% of the decision making is based on customer requests and requirements. We wouldn't be in business otherwise.
My question to the players, how important was it to have a new launcher, do you believe it was worth all the effort CCP put into it? How important was having a single sign on to the CCP websites?
Myself personally, already bypassed the launcher to speed up log in, only used it for updating when needed. The new one, OMG is it ever slow. Thankfully can still bypass it, would have to gouge my eyeballs out if I was "required" to use it logging in on my accounts.
Single sign on. seriously? Maybe once every few months I need to log into a EVE website. Like tonight to vent on the forums. Anyone at CCP care to comment on the investment made for this single sign on? Betting it was a huge chunk of change.
You want to improve the game? Get into the game. Have your developers in the game actually playing it as players to look for new ideas. Anything outside the sandbox, does not matter to players. at least that's my opinion.
Players aren't interested in the packaging the game is in.
The launcher in it's current state does not save me any time considering my particular logging habits.
However, it's only mildly irritating until I consider the time and money spent to accomplish a step backwards. Perhaps in a few more years the launcher will become a benefit.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
212
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:04:00 -
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I am cautiously looking forward to the time when I can experience the new launcher so that I can express an opinion. |

SlapNuts
Big Diggers Trifectas Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:12:00 -
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All I know is the new launcher screwed the Linux comminity.
The laucher works for about 1% maybe 2% of linux users and thats not 100% of the time. I guess it is no big deal to ccp since linux is not supported anymore because they dropped the linux version for a Mac version...
Only real way to get eve working is to bypass the launcher all together making this new feature useless to us. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14843
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:16:00 -
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I can see the idea behind the launcher, could be a good one. But there are many, many what ifs to go yet.
I do think however, the way they went about this was completely wrong. Harping back to the inventory and CQ debacle. We again had feedback in the sisi forum, only for it to be ignored and pushed out anyway. Followed with sincere apologies and we are listening statements.
As and until this bloatware reaches the same easy login situation the bin folder allows, the bin folder option should remain open. I would even go as far as officially giving us that option in the setup. But I doubt this will ever happen, as it moves away from their goals.
As far as the themed expansion screen goes. At one time this was a lot smaller. Smaller in fact than the new launcher is. Which I feel is rather ironic that we are stepping back to that size. There was quite a bit of outcry at the time that it was becoming full screen size and tbh, it never did feel right to me even now. But it's removal is a sad passing, but I guess many of the new Devs just don't have that emotional attachment some of us feel.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1241
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:19:00 -
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I agree that the 'player base' was not and is not clamouring for a new launcher.
It is the problems with the new launcher, not 'a new launcher per se' that is the issue.
Who would really care if the new launcher was problem free? This is not a signature. |
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