I thought the resistance change had been slowed down to just battleships? Is it going to be for all ships?

Also you all are pretty awesome.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

The Dominix... Adaptable in a myriad of ways, we nevertheless decided to swap its role from what essentially was a Turret plus Drones split weapon system to purely focus on the latter. It is now aiming to be much more efficient with Sentry drones than any other ship in-game, which is a distinct advantage.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

Choosing between which hull to pick between the Brutix or Myrmidon proved to be tricky for Odyssey GÇô we finally picked the former as we foresaw some heavy role overlap for a possible Myrmidon Navy Issue with the Ishtar, Vexor Navy Issue, Gila or even Dominix. As a result, the Brutix Navy Issue is a ship that directly iterates on the strengths of its predecessor, with improved low slot layout and better damage application.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

CCP Fozzie, can you explain this contradiction please?


I still think we could have gotten a blaster Navy Myrmidon.

It's literally a modified Brutix. We're not going to confuse people for a new hull by making a navy Brutix in function look like a Myrm when we have the easy option of just using the Brutix hull.

It's literally a modified Brutix. We're not going to confuse people for a new hull by making a navy Brutix in function look like a Myrm when we have the easy option of just using the Brutix hull.

It's literally a modified Brutix. We're not going to confuse people for a new hull by making a navy Brutix in function look like a Myrm when we have the easy option of just using the Brutix hull.

Aside from the soon to be retired to pathetic station games and gate camps T1 Dominix; good changes.

That's a good point, if the Domi's success is going to be centered around fighting exclusively with the sentries, then having any mobility with a fleet is going to mean abandoning a LOT of drones.

Should the domi really be abandoning drones to compete with the mobility of other combat battleships?

The domi should at least have a role bonus that increases sentry velocity up from 1 m/s, at least when being recalled to the dronebay.

Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills are being split in four racial versions and being reimbursed

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

That's a good point, if the Domi's success is going to be centered around fighting exclusively with the sentries, then having any mobility with a fleet is going to mean abandoning a LOT of drones.

Should the domi really be abandoning drones to compete with the mobility of other combat battleships?

The domi should at least have a role bonus that increases sentry velocity up from 1 m/s, at least when being recalled to the dronebay.

Aside from the soon to be retired to pathetic station games and gate camps T1 Dominix; good changes.

Navy hull rig calibration increase

As miscellaneous note, we realized only having 350 calibration on Navy hulls didnGÇÖt make much sense since they are supposed to be improvements over Tech 1 ships. As such, with Odyssey they will autoretromagically have 400 calibration instead. These were not the rigs you were looking for.

That's a good point, if the Domi's success is going to be centered around fighting exclusively with the sentries, then having any mobility with a fleet is going to mean abandoning a LOT of drones.

Should the domi really be abandoning drones to compete with the mobility of other combat battleships?

The domi should at least have a role bonus that increases sentry velocity up from 1 m/s, at least when being recalled to the dronebay.

drone mechanics are already being looked at. so just because a weapon system is not as viable now does not mean it wont be in the future.

things to look foward to is:

Ability to use nanite paste on drones when they are in the drone bay

not having to recall drones when warping away for the drones to be moved to "in distance space" so that way you will not loose control over drones if you warp away.

sentry drones having the ability to move around at heavy drone speed but cannot fire. then you toggle the sentries to zero speed and gain ability to shoot.

small and medium sentry drones

ewar drones being balanced.

Moreover:
Increase tracking and optimal range will also help close range drones.

as an exploration solo 0.0 ratting ship my domi just got allot better.

So basically your saying the Dominix is a PvE ship. I don't like the idea of balancing a ship based on another mechanic overhaul (drones) that is not even remotely on the horizon. Anyways, enjoy your ratting ship. I will stick with other battleships that are combat capable.

afaik sentry drones for pvp in fleets is for carriers due to carriers ability to keep pumping them out en mass. if you restricted the size of a carriers drone bay by making a fighter bay and then a limited drone bay you would kill slowcat fleets.

All ships with a resistance bonus indeed.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

How about no.

How about you slow down, let the players test these massive sweeping changes, and see what ships you have wrecked , what ships you have made OP, fix those, and THEN look at fixing T2 and pirate ships.

Just because you were in PL does not make you the expert on every ship in the game.

question what do you mean by reimbursed . If its just a straight skill point return on battle cruiser and destroyer than you are screwing over a lot of people. what happened to if you could fly it before you can fly it now.

I would like to raise a question regarding the extra-materials.

Extra-materials are not affected by ML research (less wastage on the BPO) and obviously are not returned when reprocessing the item, but those measures are meant to prevent players "creating" an influx of minerals in the game by building pre-patch and reprocessing post-patch.

Would CCP eventually remove the extra materials so if 2 years down the read i reprocess, say a hyperion, i could get the minerals including the extra materials?

CCP Fozzie, Rise or Ytterbium, I'd like to point out that after about two weeks of flying on Singularity, I still haven't seen an effective Navy Osprey.

I'm struggling to find an utility for it.

Can't fit HAMS, MWD and 2 Meta 4 LSEs.

Even with HAMs, it never reaches more than 420 DPS or so.

2 drones are useless and will be forgotten considering the very poor damage delivered by 2 light drones.

It's fast. And that's about it. There is nothing great about that ship except that it's fast. DPS is very poor, PWG is very tight...

All the talk has been of the racial skills and faction bc's, but I have a concern of a more mundane nature.

I seem to recall the maxim "If you can fly it before you can fly it after" being asserted for ship changes.

My industrial character can fly a fenrir, with the advanced spaceship* skill at 2. It is an alt of my main.

Freighters:

Now requires Advanced Spaceship Command 5 instead of 1.
Racial Industrial skill requirement reduced from 5 to 3.

Reading the above, I will now not be able to fly my fenrir? Or I am to pay 15$ to dual train so I can use something I could use before? Unfortunately my main is committed to something for his business atm so I can't afford to stop his training. Yet now I will not be able to haul my resources etc. :(

Please tell me I've missed something and I will still be ok...

*edited typo, apologies.

If you had read the talk about it.. It goes like this.. If your character HAD the skill, he will keep it. and can continue to train it. So if your toon already had the Minmatar Freighter skill trained, he will be able to fly the ship.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.

Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills are being split in four racial versions and being reimbursed

This is a huge red flag for me. Are you saying that when I log in, I cannot fly any of my battlecruisers or destroyers? I live in a wormhole, and dont have the luxury of just flying by jita whenever I want to fix this... Hell, what happens if someone logged off in a battlecruiser or destroyer?

With the whole combat/attack cruiser changes. Has this made it a separate overview setting as well like it did with the battlecruisers? Also will this be the same for battleships as well? (cause that's the most annoying part since there's really no reason why you would have attack ships but not combat ships on your overview so splitting them up in the overview settings is just an annoyance more than anything)

If you can fly it before the patch you can fly it after the patch.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234 has all the details.

How about no.

How about you slow down, let the players test these massive sweeping changes, and see what ships you have wrecked , what ships you have made OP, fix those, and THEN look at fixing T2 and pirate ships.

Just because you were in PL does not make you the expert on every ship in the game.

Personally I hate a lot of the new ship changes.

Sure the ships are more balanced. But they are more BORING - because you can only fit them one way.


Did you guys ever READ the old description of the Maelstrom? It had wonderful character - now you have a more techically efficient pvp projectile battleship, but at the cost of some of the style that made the game so great.

If I want to put cruise missiles on my APOC or Mael ... I should be allowed to. Especially Minmintar ships, which are meant to be the last word in how to bolt bits onto other bits to make a ship.


Rest in Peace the Blasphemy, my Cruise Missle / T2 Beam Laser fit Maelstrom. Never more will your like take to the skies ...
... unless I pay to win by buying PLEX to get the super-duper-pirate cruiser, right?


Seriously, not even kidding. I am slowly seeing EVE become pay-to-win. Stop it, stop it now CCP. Or remove the monthly subscription and move to an honest pay to win model like World of Tanks, rather than the "he who buys PLEX wins" model of ship design we see now.

Pirate ships are all well and good. But if you live in nullsec, you should be able to get the prints and build them in nullsec. Currently, that isn't a credible possibility. Ever wondered why nearly everyone plays in high-sec? You need to run missions to get the "I WIN" ships these days.... and that makes me really sad. EVE is 10 years old, and the designers are going backwards in terms of supporting nullsec-based gameplay with the latest downgrades of t1 ships.

P.s. tried a rifter vs a cynnabal lately? or indeed any t1 cruiser or interceptor vs a cynnable? It's all over before you even start. So how do you win in PvP? Simple, buy PLEX and buy Pirate ships. Welcome to the Pay to win Decade.

Until now the Apocalypse was renowned as a very comfortable hull due to its large capacitor, further enhanced by the Large Energy Turret Capacitor use reduction provided by one of its bonuses. However, it was judged quite dull by our balancing team, and as a result we have changed this previously mentioned bonus to favor turret tracking instead. For moving into the GÇ£Attack BattleshipGÇ¥ role, the Apocalypse is also gaining mobility and is about to become a damage projection bully at its designated medium-long engagement range.

Hi Dev's:

The Ancillary Armor Repair module is broken and in need of attention. It is pretty much a useless module unless it is paired with a Armor Repairer, and even with that, having both running requires a Cap Booster to keep them running. The use of Nanite Repair Paste is a nice alternative to using cap boosters, but unlike the Ancillary Shield Booster, doesn't substitute the need for the Ancillary Armor Repair module to use capacitor to function. Lastly, the nanite repair past reload time is atrocious. Will you be addressing any of these concerns?

Thank you.

I think you missed the last couple of months of testing that has been done.

Well, if Vince means resistance changes by massive sweeping changes, then he is quite right imho.

By most accounts, over 100 ships have been altered severely (Armageddon) to minor changes, in the past few months on Sisi.
The amount of players on Sisi is tiny, compared the player base in game.

As I understand it, some of the T1 cruiser changes, which were introduced months ago, just got yet another adjustment pass.
Clearly, the testing on Sisi was not nearly good enough, or more likely, was ignored by the people responsible for making all these ship changes. Not until the changes hit TQ was the feedback accepted, or a large enough base played with the ships, did we see another set of revisions to the stats.

To suggest that 2 guys have flown, under all kinds of conditions, all these ships, is ludicrous.
There WILL be more changes to the set of ship changed 3 days ago, once the player base gets a lot of play time with them.

So for the pandemic legion guy to suggest he wants to ram through a ton more changes, on a ton more ships, before the player base gives feedback on the huge new set of ships, is plain nuts.

Imagine this scenario: How do changes to the HAC's get made, if the T1 cruisers, Navy cruisers, and potentially, the faction cruisers are all in state of flux? What is the baseline for the Ishtar when the Navy Vexor is just coming out in a new version, that may be tweaked 3 months from now?

How does one adjust the combat T2 BC's, if the Navy BC's just got released and a set of revisions are required on this set of Navy BC's 2 or 3 months from now?

Frankly, this whole process was botched by CCP. They should have focused on one hull class, likely starting with frigates, and sorted out all the frigates in the game, then moved on to cruisers, then BC, etc.

How about no.

How about you slow down, let the players test these massive sweeping changes, and see what ships you have wrecked , what ships you have made OP, fix those, and THEN look at fixing T2 and pirate ships.

Just because you were in PL does not make you the expert on every ship in the game.

Dominix feels very boring now. It also feels like the Abaddon has taken over what the dominix used to do.

Actually, through this whole tiericide thing I've felt like in other to avoid stepping on the toes of same-faction ships, you've been stepping all over the faction specialties of other factions, particularly the gallente.

So is there a plan to actually bring other defense bonuses closer to a resist bonus in larger scale combat? Something that was in theory one of the aims of the resist nerf, but it still was never going to change the fact that more EHP (especially if provided through resists) is plain better than local rep bonuses in the vast majority of combat scenarios.

I am sad as to what was done to the Navy Omen, was one of my favorite cruiser class pvp ships to brawl in when I was in the amarr militia. The ship had great tank and damage for its class. I could go 1 v 1 with even some HAC's and win.

Armor tanked and nano are two things that in my opinion don't mix well. Minmatar ships should still be able to catch it and now its damage is much less which gives you even less survivability. To me the risk is not worth the price of the ship anymore. I do hope CCP looks into how people are and if they are even using the ship to great effect over the next few months and make a decision on reverting which will probably never happen but that's my 2 cents...

This.

This ship took a pretty heavy hit. To say that it will "zip around the battlefield skirmishing with the best of them" with the "new damage bonus" is a bit of a stretch. This ship has lost ~100 DPS with the removal of the 5th turret and RoF bonus, compared to my old fitting, and what the "new"one shows. Paired with lower hitpoints and removal of the capacitor bonus, even though it is a bit faster and has some more drones, doesn't really compensate for the loss of the turret slot and previous bonuses.

For the kind of dps/buffer brawling gameplay that the old Navy Omen excelled at, I recommend giving the new Navy Augoror a try.

Fozzie are pirate ships up next on July 18th isn't it the next patch?

expectations for pirate?

angel nerf

guritas loosing missile velocity bonus replaced with drone tracking and optimal range

blood raiders loosing turret bonus replaced with drone damage and hp bonus

sansha general boost fittings pg and agility

serpantis just a general boost (if that serpantis are good tbh)

Angel nerf ?
perhaps a falloff reduction to 7.5% and maybe a stronger shield focus -1 low +1 high .. they need more dps.

Guristas remove missile velocity for drone tracking or missile damage

Blood Raiders could use stronger drone abilities to help their dps but i would say no to any drone bonus here

Sansha need more slots and pretty much everything needs a buff

Serpentis just need mobility upgrades like the gallente have received like thorax - vigilant.

I would also suggest they reduce the web strength bonus on these ships 90% is too much... that and web strength should be reduced on the module itself.

For the kind of dps/buffer brawling gameplay that the old Navy Omen excelled at, I recommend giving the new Navy Augoror a try.

For the kind of dps/buffer brawling gameplay that the old Navy Omen excelled at, I recommend giving the new Navy Augoror a try.

That's 107 ships either added or comprehensively rebalanced in the last year.

Let's see if we can beat that next year.