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Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:32:00 -
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CCP CEO INTERVIEW
Pertinent quote:
"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there."
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1071
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:35:00 -
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already figured out how to abuse that system even more than we abuse this one :sun: |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:37:00 -
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The Mittani sends his greetings. |
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:38:00 -
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Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:42:00 -
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How nice. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:42:00 -
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Josie Starshine wrote:Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors. And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has."
Slippery slope. |
BolsterBomb
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:43:00 -
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It was a great interview tbh. I hope the CSM changes they only work for themselves not the community.......... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
795
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:44:00 -
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IBTL.
Cross-posting and duplicate-posting is bad for you. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:45:00 -
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I wonder if this has anything to do with PI products beginning to tick upwards a few days before public news of the changes to PI became known? NDA breaches perhaps? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Ghoest
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:50:00 -
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Well they seem to be responding to all the stuff I bitched about nonstop for the last year. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
65
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:51:00 -
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CSM can only blame them selves for not doing their job |
gargars
Cohesion Inc Beyond-Repair
15
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:51:00 -
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Good news indeed. I always liked the idea of the CSM, but any council leaning too far one way or another is bad. Some change is needed so it's balanced. Hard to do, but since this year's CSM is so obviously biased, something needs to change. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
121
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Posted - 2011.10.21 17:53:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Josie Starshine wrote:Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors. And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has." Slippery slope. just unplug TQ |
Holy One
SniggWaffe
53
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:01:00 -
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Hilly says a lot of stuff. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
30
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:01:00 -
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Karadion wrote:The Mittani sends his greetings.
Lol nobody else finds this hilarious? I can't be the only one that chuckles when reading this man's post.
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:01:00 -
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I just tend to look at what he does. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
91
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:02:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Josie Starshine wrote:Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors. And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has." Slippery slope.
I support this idea, ban all goonswarm members.
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Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:05:00 -
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Hey look, its another one of these threads. |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:05:00 -
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CSM is formed by a democratic vote system that includes those players who care about the game, decide to get familiar with CSM candidate's programs and cast a vote for one of the candidates. The current state of CSM is no one's "fault" but the players that didn't like Goons and haven't done anything in order to stop them from taking over CSM.
- If there's an interesting candidate that was from another alliance/corporation/faction that some of you liked, you should have voted for that candidate. - If there was no suitable program offered by any candidate and a large mass of players agreed upon certain topics, then you should have presented your own candidate with a program that covers those specific topics that you all agree with.
Either way, the democratic system and freedom of choice between the CSM candidates is not flawed. The logic that abstention is not the same as saying that you don't care who gets to be in CSM is flawed.
P.S.> No, I won't say if I voted for a Goon or not. I'm only saying that the voting was fair and went in the best democratic spirit. If you don't like the current CSM, next time take a couple of minutes to review the programs of the candidates and cast your vote. |
Josie Starshine
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:06:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Josie Starshine wrote:Only way to fix the CSM system is to remove it, period. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever new CSM structure is introduced. Smoke & mirrors. And if it is removed. "Only way to fix Eve Online is to remove Goonswarm / ban them all. Goonswarm and pets will just endeavor to exploit whatever shortcomings this game has." Slippery slope.
Your statement does not invalidate mine though. Goonswarm is a known entity with a known agenda and there is nothing wrong with that.
The problem is when you use the CSM as a means to subvert all of EVE Online to that agenda while 'pretending' to have EVE Online's best interests at heart. |
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:07:00 -
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"But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle."
YES! and about time too.
"Well, the message is that we have heard you and we are now taking action to be more aligned with the needs of Eve Online"
Good, at last!
This looks promising, I await with baited breath to see how CCP squre the circle of the CM. All in all very heartening. |
Blastier
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:10:00 -
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Can not like this enough like like like, **** you CSM |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:11:00 -
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LOL yes they can clearly remove the null sec slant by adding a high-sec pubbie slot.....which goons can still run for by having one of their high-sec mission runners apply and all voting for them. GOOD JOB CAREBEARS YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
17
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:16:00 -
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The Offerer wrote:CSM is formed by a democratic vote system that includes those players who care about the game, decide to get familiar with CSM candidate's programs and cast a vote for one of the candidates. The current state of CSM is no one's "fault" but the players that didn't like Goons and haven't done anything in order to stop them from taking over CSM.
- If there's an interesting candidate that was from another alliance/corporation/faction that some of you liked, you should have voted for that candidate. - If there was no suitable program offered by any candidate and a large mass of players agreed upon certain topics, then you should have presented your own candidate with a program that covers those specific topics that you all agree with.
Either way, the democratic system and freedom of choice between the CSM candidates is not flawed. The logic that abstention is not the same as saying that you don't care who gets to be in CSM is flawed.
P.S.> No, I won't say if I voted for a Goon or not. I'm only saying that the voting was fair and went in the best democratic spirit. If you don't like the current CSM, next time take a couple of minutes to review the programs of the candidates and cast your vote.
I'd rather talk directly to the Organ grinder and not the monkeys, but that's just me though. There it is. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:19:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:LOL yes they can clearly remove the null sec slant by adding a high-sec pubbie slot.....which goons can still run for by having one of their high-sec mission runners apply and all voting for them. GOOD JOB CAREBEARS YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS
I don't think they have had any discussion on the how the populating of a better CSM would be done. I am sure though simpleton exploits would be taken into consideration.
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Blastier
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:21:00 -
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The Offerer wrote:CSM is formed by a democratic vote system that includes those players who care about the game, decide to get familiar with CSM candidate's programs and cast a vote for one of the candidates. The current state of CSM is no one's "fault" but the players that didn't like Goons and haven't done anything in order to stop them from taking over CSM.
- If there's an interesting candidate that was from another alliance/corporation/faction that some of you liked, you should have voted for that candidate. - If there was no suitable program offered by any candidate and a large mass of players agreed upon certain topics, then you should have presented your own candidate with a program that covers those specific topics that you all agree with.
Either way, the democratic system and freedom of choice between the CSM candidates is not flawed. The logic that abstention is not the same as saying that you don't care who gets to be in CSM is flawed.
P.S.> No, I won't say if I voted for a Goon or not. I'm only saying that the voting was fair and went in the best democratic spirit. If you don't like the current CSM, next time take a couple of minutes to review the programs of the candidates and cast your vote.
Uh nullsec slaves are all told by their masters who to vote for. Massive plantations exist in nullsec which don't in high-sec but yet many more players are in high-sec but cannot be organized in the same way. So yes it is flawed, and you end up hearing from a minority of players who are inherently weak minded in the first place (are told what to do, where to farm, where to blob, where to spam forums ect.)
So the message of the actual player base doesn't come across. |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
5
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:22:00 -
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Dunbar Hulan wrote:
I'd rather talk directly to the Organ grinder and not the monkeys, but that's just me though.
You know this is uncanny. I had exactly the same thought in exactly the same words when reading some posts the other day.
I've looked on the market and you know what? I can't find arse-licking listed as a skill anywhere. Must be reserved for the exclusive use of the Goons.
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Lady Sophie Asphyxia
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:23:00 -
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The CSM is great in principle, and to a certain extent, in practice too. The people who have been voted in do have significant knowledge of the game and it's various aspects, and several of them are also keen and good debaters who are able to get their views across and steer the game in the direction that they and their voters want.
The problem is the vast majority of players (who are unfortunately the vocal minority when it comes to speaking out on the forums) don't get to have their views heard, or even represented to a proportionate degree.
My own personal opinion would be to maintain the current method of voting and CSM formation (after all it is up to people to vote for who they want - we all get the same chance and the ability to review everybody's manifesto), however, I believe the CSM/CCP should be there to put forward and generate ideas and potential game changes, which are then voted on by the playerbase via an in-game voting system (preferably at the log in character selection screen to avoid interfering with gameplay). The ideas could then be prioritised in order of popularity.
To ensure everybody is represented there should be some kind of weighting to ensure null, low-sec etc ideas can also move forward.
I also hope that one of these many CSM must go topics can stay in General Discussion to ensure maximum exposure (after all this is an important enough topic surely?) instead of being moved to speakers corner. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
27
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:25:00 -
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Dalketh wrote:Jack Tronic wrote:LOL yes they can clearly remove the null sec slant by adding a high-sec pubbie slot.....which goons can still run for by having one of their high-sec mission runners apply and all voting for them. GOOD JOB CAREBEARS YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS I don't think they have had any discussion on the how the populating of a better CSM would be done. I am sure though simpleton exploits would be taken into consideration. "more votes" is hardly an exploit
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Kronos Hopeslayer
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 18:32:00 -
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Typical socialist bs... Only support democracy when it suits your specific needs. If the "people" are upset about the choices made by the current CSM then by all means vote someone who represents your needs in the next election.
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