I don't understand what they don't like about the game. I love just being able to log in and having the choice of either mining, running some missions or going out on a roam with my corp mates.

What i don't want to see is it being dumbed down and made more "pretty" for us.

Or maybe ones with My Little Pony? That might work.

This seems a little unfair to CCP IMHO. CCP didn't design this game to cater for anyone in particular, they just designed a game they liked. It was then mostly males who chose to play it.

What I would agree with is that there are unfortunately way too many sexist morons in Eve and other MMOs who are bang out of order with the way they treat female gamers. I think anonymity and socially ill adjusted men are a bad combination and give the rest of us a bad name.

On the flip side, I would point out that it is very difficult to integrate a female into a male only corp and not always for the reasons you might think. The truth is that, online or in RL, a group of guys interact and socially bond through the medium of mutual insults, vulgarity and generally ripping on each other. I've had my sexuality questioned (several times ), my intellect ridiculed, my accent made fun of for being too posh, my in game abilities trashed and a multitude of other things in the many corps I've been in and I am very happy when it starts because it means the corp have accepted me and feel relaxed enough to bring me in.

Now, I'm sorry ladies, but a lot of women don't seem to react to male banter in the same way as guys do and so any attempt to treat them "as just one of the guys" is met with frosty silence and/or anger and that's not just limited to Eve by the way. Also, I'm not talking about sexist comments, but any other sort of joking insult is taken personally.

Perhaps it's a social thing but men don't take themselves anywhere near as seriously as women do which is why a group of males behave in a totally different way to a group of females. It might also explain why there are so few female comedians...

I would like to clarify something. I enjoy male banter, and often participate. Many women do. There is a difference between male banter and bashing a specific group of people, whether the comment be one of race, gender, sexual preference, body type etc. And it's different when you're obviously joking.

When there's an entire conversation going on about how women are too stupid, or too soft, or too weak(really? should we type stronger or something? lol) to play EVE properly, or a 20 minute discussion on how women are evul b*tches who suck the life out of you, or the knuckle dragging nerd who probably never spent real time with a non-inflatable woman's sexual conquest stories - this is different. It's unpleasant, unattractive, and quite frankly, it's r3tarded(and I mean developmentally delayed, stupid forum profanity filter)

Please note - certain women do this too, in reverse, and it's equally r3tarded. I choose not to participate in this either.

This is old... it's soooooo old. Let's evolve already, huh?

my personal, anecdotal evidence calls bullshit on that 4%.

also, what people often fail to consider is how the interaction changes between players, once one of them reveals to be a woman... on games like world of Warcraft the socially awkward and misogynistic trend to get violent for no apparent reason, often harassing or just plain making people uncomfortable. and we are talking wow here, one of the safest as far a theme parks go....

consider now eve. a game that rewards the socially inept, and often puts them in positions of "power", or at least in a position of having enough power to affect the gameplay of others. why would a women put herself in that fix? yeah, sure if there's harassment it can be reported, but the experience has been ruined by this point.

i mean, over the years one thing remains a constant, women in video games don't like to be found. wanna know why? just make an alt say a few times you are a girl on the NPC corp chat, and eventually you'll get an evemail from a dude that wants to smell your farts, a convo from some other creep that wants you to listen to his mic, and god knows how many added you to their watchlist just to get a weird crepo feeling when you log in.

like i said, my personal experience shows a way higher than 4% number. and no, there's nothing to change in the game to appeal to women. that in on itself is already sexist.

we need ships in the forms of dildos to attract womem

EVE needs Women

I would like to clarify something. I enjoy male banter, and often participate. Many women do. There is a difference between male banter and bashing a specific group of people, whether the comment be one of race, gender, sexual preference, body type etc. And it's different when you're obviously joking.

When there's an entire conversation going on about how women are too stupid, or too soft, or too weak(really? should we type stronger or something? lol) to play EVE properly, or a 20 minute discussion on how women are evul b*tches who suck the life out of you, or the knuckle dragging nerd who probably never spent real time with a non-inflatable woman's sexual conquest stories - this is different. It's unpleasant, unattractive, and quite frankly, it's r3tarded(and I mean developmentally delayed, stupid forum profanity filter)

Please note - certain women do this too, in reverse, and it's equally r3tarded. I choose not to participate in this either.

This is old... it's soooooo old. Let's evolve already, huh?

You are absolutely right and I too would not consider making lurid or sexist comments "male banter" as I tried to make clear in my first post. I was just pointing out that, for whatever reason, quite a lot of the women I have met seem unable to understand how the banter works (or even realise that it is JUST banter) and take offense at stuff that any male player would have laughed about.

That said, there are a few women I have met who do get it and I am very happy to fly with them and would be delighted if one of them joined my corp. It sounds like you could be one of them Silfar

my personal, anecdotal evidence calls bullshit on that 4%.

I'll keep that in mind... currently in a training corp in an effort to learn how not to die stupidly in lowsec ;) I'll be shopping soon.

The real question is: should we really be bringing attention to real genders in a MMO?

When I said my corp I meant the corp I am a member of but most of the guys (including the CEO) are 30+, many of them married and so not the knuckle draggers you'd be wanting to avoid.

How do you feel about wormhole space? Skill requirements are a little higher than most.

This game is boring, repetetive, fairly abstract and rather time-consuming. What you can accomplish with your time investment is either piling up fake money or pixel ship kills, both completely meaningless even in-game, or, in rare cases, a certain degree of celebrity status among a bunch of fat smelly men suffering from Asperger's. Some might say you can make all sorts of experiences playing Eve but for the most part the experiences Eve gives you are about repetition, tedium and being a sad jerk while interacting with the very limited set of people who are mentally disabled enough to waste their time and money on this game. In fact, just spending one or two days outside probably gives you a wider array of quality experiences than a year of playing Eve extensively. And conversation with other players is usually restricted to nerdy tech babbling, grunting, bawling and making fart sounds with your armpits.

So, why in hell would women play this game? I don't even know why men play it.

This game does bring out the jealous streak in my wife she works under the assumption and in fact has dreamt about me running away with some women I've met off here