Wait, you're still trying to use big words and fancy business jargon to dress up your pseudo-intellectual bash on a post you didn't read, congratulations, can we move on now that you've gotten your rage-rocks off.

I just find it kind of sad that, in order to be accepted in EVE, I have to "act" like a guy. If I open my mouth and say "Hey, that comment wasn't cool", I get yelled at for starting drama. I've been told not to discuss "girly" things, coz the guys don't want to hear it. I'm expected to live with the "If you don't want to see **** don't click the link", to then turn around and get corp booted for posting a nice looking nude guy.

Honestly, the rule of EVE seems to be "straight male". Ladies either get the "LOL go get me a sammich **** or GTFO" harassment, or worse, crazy stalkers (dealing with two right now, in fact). GLBT....well, in the span of 5 minutes, I saw repeated questions about an FCs sexuality when he flubbed a kill, and multiple pictures of (a very pretty I might add) naked transgender lady posted in local.

Really, ya'll wonder why girls don't want to play.....

I've always lived by the rule of "Don't say it unless you want it repeated to your mother/grandmother/sister." It's good policy.



Now, for you gents who don't engage in those behaviors, I appreciate it. Thank you. My rant is not directed at you. For you guys who step up and say "that's not cool" when your buddies start in, I love ya'll.

If all men are sexist pigs then all women are like Mintchip.

Deal?

Someone mentioned WOW in here and how its much worse then EVE when it comes to harassing of female players.
I will say yes and no to this.

I decided that I couldn't take this seriously after looking at your character name. I almost feel obligated to throw out a "**** or gtfo".

I'm not trying to be mean about this, but it's just plain dumb to suggest EVE needs X population or Y demographic spread.

I've tried to get the wife interested in EvE, she has no interest what so ever. She prefers that other game & Farmville.

Edit: I asked her again and she said it's a - "cutthroat, male testosterone dominated game and it just seems full of griefing and hatred." - direct quote.

She elaborated some more but that's the cliff notes version.

Yes, all women are docile and calm, and all men are shouty and aggressive. FACT

I think after today, it is very clear why few women play EVE.

In WoW if a dude becomes creepy, it's a note to a GM. If the dude goes bonkers and creates a level 1 to harass, that note turns into a vacation from the game. He can pay $10 and change his nick, but the GM knows who he is and his penalty volcano follows him for the life of his account. He "disappears" if he values his time and money. And Blizzard has been really policing that stuff now, my realm's trade chat looks pretty much like some MUDs I played years ago. The buttwipes got their 48hr warnings, and the next will be a permanent chat ban. It's getting strict on that stuff now.

CoD and WoW say, "Hi".

They have the largest demographic spread in gaming, period.

If CCP got 1/10th of that pie they'd be in clover...but can't get there ignoring the obvious.

500k to 5mil is going to take more than graphics and even a new UI. The game has to appeal to 51% of the RL population.

That means some very uncomfortable decisions and changes. And if history proves itself again, those all boy clubs don't take change readily.

Yeah, the changes to the game itself that get proposed fall into the "make a pink version" category. Even women who like pink can see the condescension dripping off the design.

In this case, the problem is (sub)cultural.

Even among women. Sure there will be women ace PvP pilots, but they know that is not the norm. Not because ladies can't do it, it's because they just don't want to fight like that. They're not into direct confrontation. And PvP is about that. It's something that appeals to men.

What EvE offers that can generally appeal to women, is little today. For example, I try to warm my sisters to try the game (and we all are sci-fi fans long before it was kewl). Mention the planets/nebulas/ships, crafting and the market being more intricate than WoW. *Spark*. But as soon as PvP is mentioned, they literally go back to do what they were doing in WoW. Not interested. Conversation dead.

They would only come over if EvE was PvE. Because if they do missioning and get podded, they'll simply leave and go back to WoW, which has all they like to do, plus has all those pets and mounts. It's a stereotype, but have a little cute pet as a reward, they're after it worse than James3:16 on a miner.

So the challenge is more than just gender appeal, it's trying to get women away from 1000001 cute pets and mounts in games like WoW to even pilot a ship. The latter is the hardest of all...as they'll continue to return back "home" for the latest pet and mount.

What would EvE offer to counter that -- which would fit into the EvE universe -- and not turn women away at the word: PvP?

i don't understand giving them hate just be cause their gender. That-¦s just racist.

Maybe things change once someone finally gets enough and sues CCP for allowing it.

Heh, WoW lost about 20% of it's subs in the last 6 months, and they just cancelled their lead project, Titan.

You really want EVE to be more like WoW?

Yes.

Most successful MMO in almost 10 years running. Do you know of any game franchise that can claim the same?

Don't you want better? Or are you happy with being in second place?

500k to 5mil isn't coming by being a dinosaur.

Heh, and CCP made a MMOFPS on the PS3 platform; grew about 250k accounts in 3 years; and had a launch that didn't even peak to 50k online players (well, we saw what the 250k increase came from.../wave at ice farming bots).

It was 14% and most from Asia. MoP wouldn't be a popular theme in Asia.

Titan probably was cancelled due to the reality of PC + console gameplay will be necessary in the next generation MMOs. The clues were in the March Activision-Blizzard stock report.

Now design an AAA MMO with a console in mind. Yeah, reset time. CCP isn't even touching that nightmare.



Yes.

Most successful MMO in almost 10 years running. Do you know of any game franchise that can claim the same?

Don't you want better? Or are you happy with being in second place?

500k to 5mil isn't coming by being a dinosaur.

Are you trolling?

Not everything is about subscription numbers and big name recognition.

Sure it would be nice if EVE were more popular, but if you try to get there from here by sacrificing many of the core tenets of the game then you're going to lose what sets the EVE community apart from any other MMO, which are the many tens to hundreds of thousands of players who stay subscribed for many years because they love the game and know that its experience is unparalleled by any themepark MMO available today.

Tell me a game that is under the radar that is pulling over 100mil a month just on subs alone (even after a 14% tumble)? Better yet, provide a stock report as proof.

/crickets/

You may like quaintness, but businesses are in business to make a profit. Did you think CCP made DUSK just for show? They're looking for capital in a tight market locked up at the top.

If you can't get through that glass ceiling, you make the most of it at the 10th floor...not go back to the garage.

Core tenets? Do you realize they change? They change when a game faces new challenges and audience.

Ask Blizzard about transmorg. That was a major change for a game built upon silhouette recognition. They resisted it to the last drop. But, transmorg is in the game now (and not a day too late).

EvE will evolve. What it'll be in 5 years is anyone's guess. But you can guarantee it won't be what you expect.