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Liassa Neun
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Posted - 2005.11.04 15:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Archbishop
The difference is now I will not be lulled into a false sense of security thinking kindness will turn them toward God.
How foolish!
We don't treat people kindly to improve *their* relationship with God -- we do it to improve *ours*.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.04 15:50:00 -
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Brothers... you hearten me with your words and actions but this is just one person, the fact that she is my sister should not put her above others in our quest for our peoples freedom.
Makkar, do not do this. I could not bear the shame of a loss of a great leader.
I am Matari, and as such I will deal with this myself, and rest assured Archbishop, I will be paying you a visit soon. And once I have beaten the location of my sister out of you, i will deal with these men.
Until then brothers, i beseech you, do not risk more lives for one person.
But I am left with no doubt of the integrity of the warriors that I am surrounded by. It makes my heart beat proud.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2005.11.04 15:55:00 -
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Quote:
But I am left with no doubt of the integrity of the warriors that I am surrounded by. It makes my heart beat proud.
Id say Stupidity but then thatÆs a known with your breed.
Archbishop I say again kill this 'prisoner' nothing good will come from keeping it alive, and god will not smile upon you if she spills anotherÆs innocent blood.
Nem
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.11.04 16:23:00 -
[34]
Takitoo blinks at her viewscreen while the newsfeed rolls by. Her eyes narrow at it and one second later it explodes in a mess of shrapnel. "Those damn animals ! Gah !"
Normally Takitoo wasn't much of a freedom fighter, or patriot but she was loyal to her government. A loyalty that could best be described as shaken, now. After all, which self respecting government would stand idly by while it's citizens, guilty or not were tortured publicly.
Ten minutes later all systems aside from the reprograming routine and life support inside the crippled Rifter were shut down and all CPU power was routed to repairing the damaged nav computer. And one particularly angered Sebiestor was brooding in the dim red emergency lighting over Ammar military doctrine and ship readouts.
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Karn Mithralia
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Posted - 2005.11.04 23:52:00 -
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Khaldorn - my apologies if I seemed to not take this seriously enough - despite the match of the surname I did not realise she was your sister. It would appear some trickery has been done with concords docking records and my agent was mislead.
Your stance towards this matter is brave and honorable, warrior of the U'K. May the Fire of Maat anneal your heart and steel your will for retribution.
Takitoo - aye, I too cannot understand why the leaders of the Republic act as they do ... I have not forgotten the words of the Prime Minister upon the death of the Amarr Emperor. How can I respect one who voices dismay at such a time when she could have voiced joy?
The path of honour is easily tainted by compromise ...
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yausimmon
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Posted - 2005.11.05 02:00:00 -
[36]
Edited by: yausimmon on 05/11/2005 02:00:39
*looks at the image. a digusted look on his face
isnt that a bit too much. i mean even by amarrian standards. i mean. those who torture her are crazy or even craizer than those of the any terriost organzition. i mean even if she is a terriost. this kind of interrogation is not neccessary. thats low.... i seen interrogation tactics but nothin like this
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.11.05 05:37:00 -
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CVA's Immorality Exposed
One would be hard pressed to discover a finer example of the CVA's alleged moral superiority. Your organization's vulgar display of inhumanity is an affront to everything our alliance holds dear, and I loathe to ponder you spreading the idea that this barbarism is acceptable to those that respect you. Consider this a formal nullification of any agreement the Syndicate had with your organization.
May you rot in whatever damnable place you believe in.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.05 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 05/11/2005 06:56:29
How interesting Ms Doyle.
Though I would have you know that these actions are not the CVA's but rather this unit that V Adml Archbishop has developed contacts with, had I captured her she would have been either taken into solitary confinement or excecuted cleanly as she was too dangerous to release. I pity the poor girl myself, though I must point out that she WAS a terrorist. Even though I still pray for her soul.
Not that I mind you nullifying your contract with us, I am not sure that I ever believed that you intended to honor it in the first place. Though I hope you enjoy makeing these actions even more common by removing copies of a book that would have told Amarr to avoid such actions from the public.
Wouldnt that be amusing, when the very act of renedgeing on your contract causes you to make events like this even more common.
As for the question of why Midular lets things like this happen and mourns people like Doriam II. Well that almost requires a thread to itself... but let me try to explain quickly.
The beloved Doriam II was a reformer. He stood for such ideals as the society for prevention of cruelty to slaves. Yet he was killed anyway, freedom fighters attacked Amarr anyway.
So as a result Doriam's killers have caused a backlash towards older practices, a prime example of which you can see here. Midular is smart for a heathen, and she knew that Doriam represented a future of progress towards complete peace if anyone did, and that with his death an era of uncertainty, chaos, and quite possibly war would be ushered in. I hope that God has another way avalible to accomplish this, but it is quite possible that with Doriams death the chance for peace has been destroyed. You see, your average Amarran sees Doriams death as a clear signal that God no longer supports the peaceful philosophy he practiced.
Can you blame Midular for being sad that a leader who was working to avoid a war that will kill billions was killed early? Or are you so blind to Amarran culture that you did not see that you were attacking a liberal regime.
Yes, every last terrorist attack in the last 2 years has been an attack on a regime that was willing to FREE slaves. It has been an attack on a regime that wished peace.
Every last terrorist attack on Amarr has been moving the wars closer, and slowing down any movements to free slaves. If I didnt know better, I would say you freedom fighters would rather have war than freedom for as many slaves as possible. Or wait, that is what you want, isnt it?
Gaven looks tired
Perhaps Archbishop is right. Perhaps it is time to give up the ideals of the Pax Amarria. But until God gives us a sign with the appointment of the next Emperor I will continue to pray for the souls of those who fall so pointlessly.
I want peace, and if it means killing every last 'freedom fighter' who couldnt see the political reality of their actions if it slapped them in the face, so be it. And if God appoints an Emperor who says that this return to the old path is indeed right, again, so be it.
God's will, will be done.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.11.05 06:58:00 -
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I myself have not completely given up the Pax Amarria. I am still humane but more vigilant in dealing with my own livestock. I myself do not advocate some of the harsher random beatings and gladiator games of some slavers.
Still I also realize a terrorist is much different from a slave. At least at first before they're converted.
As for the people I've developed contacts I disavow any knowledge of thier actions. They are not part of the CVA. Indeed Admiral Gaven Lok'ri is correct the backlash resulting from the murder of Doriam II has created a new climate of vengence in some Amarr. As a peaceful reformer Doriam II should've been honored by other races. Instead he was murdered.
It is no fault of ours if some factions of Amarrian society take this personally and as a result develop "other" approaches to deal with threats to the Empire.
Archbishop
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:20:00 -
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What's interesting, dear Admiral, is your fickle nature in adhering to an ideal on a whim and changing it on another. If the death of a single man, your Emperor, the man who wrote the Pax Amarria, spurns your hatred to commit such barbarities I believe your true nature never really strayed far from such activities in the first place.
This supposed holy man, Archbishop, who lies within your ranks and conspires with even more violent individuals does so freely and openly with your support and thus bear the burden of responsibility on his behalf. Not only that, but your service to the Empire sets a precedent for other aspiring pro-Empire paramilitaries to follow suit in such behavior, and that's something the Syndicate cannot sit idly by and passively condone.
Nay, it is you who cannot be trusted when one presents themselves in such a reprehensible manner to the general public with a vulgar display like this. How can one such as yourself be trusted when his minions desecrate the ideals of human compassion and empathy? How pious can you truly be when you hypocritically commit to the equivalent level of violence as your 'terrorist' opposition, with whom you claim to be superior? It's all a farce and events such as these satisfy your conscience to indulge your perversities and justify those tendencies toward violence.
Quite the contrary, I am relieved to be rid of our agreement with your organization and eternally grateful your atrocities were made public sooner than later. Unlike you I hide behind no God to quell my conscience(if you possess one) and take responsibility for my actions. I do hope you're prepared to atone for your actions and realize if there ever existed any hope for peace, your behavior all but evaporated that opportunity forever.
Congratulations.
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Karn Mithralia
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Posted - 2005.11.05 10:09:00 -
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I judge men on their actions, I judge corporations by their actions, and I judge political entities by their actions.
I have no issue at all with peace, I would like nothing more than to return to my home-world and raise a family.
But I look about me and what do I see? Empty rhetoric of peace with the over hanging threat of billions dieing in war. Lets face reality here - there is no genocidal war, the Amarr saw the end of that when they enslaved all those they could subjagate.
I see women naked and chained. I see psychological abuse.
These actions are what I judge.
The now dead Emperor may have spoke of freeing slaves but the reality of action is far different. Hollow words from a hollow man.
My own Prime-minister speaks of freeing slaves, yet she mourns the death of the hollow Emperor? I free slaves from scum who treat them like cattle and I am fined and have my reputation stained by my own Republic?!
Hollow words from a hollow woman.
These people do not rule, if so their words would be law, their decisions reality. If the Emperor wanted to free slaves he could simply give the command. If the Republic wanted to free slaves they could refuse to comprimise on that point. At worse we would risk death.
There is honor in death, where is the honor in torture? There is honor in comittment to brotherhood, where is the honor in treating people like cattle?
We are judged by our actions.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
What's interesting, dear Admiral, is your fickle nature in adhering to an ideal on a whim and changing it on another. If the death of a single man, your Emperor, the man who wrote the Pax Amarria, spurns your hatred to commit such barbarities I believe your true nature never really strayed far from such activities in the first place.
the Pax Amarria was written by HEIDERAN VII, the decree on the "human" treatment of slaves was issued by DORIAM II.
we do not reject either of this!
terrorists can not be deemed human and therefore none of the rights granted to human beings can and will be applied to them.
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Camar
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Posted - 2005.11.05 14:39:00 -
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Yes, every last terrorist attack in the last 2 years has been an attack on a regime that was willing to FREE slaves. It has been an attack on a regime that wished peace.
So how come I hold, in my personal hold, over 50 amarr slave trader insignias, all collected in the past few months in minmatar space? And escorted by numerous of amarr navy ships?
Give openly with one hand, then take whatever you wish with the other...blash!
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.11.05 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
the Pax Amarria was written by HEIDERAN VII, the decree on the "human" treatment of slaves was issued by DORIAM II.
Thanks for the correction. 
I'm not interested in word games, Mr. Bromide. Your organization's increasingly inhumane practices against man or animal, whatever you feel like classifying non-Amarr today, is the noteworthy detail. How noble is it to defend supposedly civilized society when its protector becomes the monster?
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.05 16:58:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
the Pax Amarria was written by HEIDERAN VII, the decree on the "human" treatment of slaves was issued by DORIAM II.
Thanks for the correction.
I'm not interested in word games, Mr. Bromide. Your organization's increasingly inhumane practices against man or animal, whatever you feel like classifying non-Amarr today, is the noteworthy detail. How noble is it to defend supposedly civilized society when its protector becomes the monster?
what you call us is of no consequence ms.doyle!
i treat my animals better than i do captured terrorists that is a fact but please do not set your own standards to an empire that is attacked on a daily base by terrorists and that has found ways to defend itself.
we chose the standrads of our reactions for ourselves and the empire of amarr has got nothing to with it as such.
we serve and we protect...
and we retaliate!
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.11.05 17:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
what you call us is of no consequence ms.doyle!
You're absolutely right of course. It's your organization's actions that will inspire any unfortunate consequences in the future. You perpetuate the cycle of violence against the Empire with your own zealous brand of 'justice'.
However, rest assured I'll be doing everything within my power to alert the populace of your barbarism and subvert the hypocritical moral absolutism you enforce on the very citizens you claim to protect.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.05 18:48:00 -
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It's really too bad that actions speak louder than words. If it were the other way around, maybe people would be touched by drab speeches on your vision of a 'perfect' human world, one consisting of daisies, harmony, peace, and free love. A wonderland that's nothing but pure fantasy, Ms. Doyle.
...Nothing but lovely words with no action beyond the spasmic twitches in hazy rooms of in-vogue cafÚs to back up their relevance.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.11.05 19:37:00 -
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Aww, you're gonna make me cry! 
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Andouus La
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Posted - 2005.11.05 20:43:00 -
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The Caldari State is paying a costly price to be allied to the Amarr empire.
Needless to say Archbishop your behavior brings darkness truout the universe.
Fanatism I declare this!
Andouus La turns away from the Galnet feed discusted.
- end of transmission -
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Tsual
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Posted - 2005.11.05 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 05/11/2005 21:01:57
I doubt that the Caldari state cares very much about the behaviour of CVA admirals ...
shrugs
I rather think they pitty him for his indecorous behaviour of displaying such things publically and censor it out from the public eye.
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Haanem ulwei, utnazhiram Hal'sha'roh mahiraam Hor'thul.
The Universe is everything, the creation Hal'shah and the destruction Hor'thul.
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Andouus La
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:15:00 -
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This non sens make me think of splinterz duel and on the long run I wont bet on the Archbishop.
As of the policies of the Caldari State I will not discuss them. They are for the best of all Calderis!
Maybe the Gallentes can rub a few of wounds on the Mataris slave condition or have they?
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:33:00 -
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Kaleigh, i'm glad to see it illustrated by your reply to Kyoko's nullification of your opinion that your ability to present an argument hasn't gotten any worse nor better.
You're still no more than a useless, if attractive accessory.
You know, you're kind of like a necklace. You hang around someone's neck until you feel it's time to choke them.
Who's next? :)
http://omerta.killboard.net
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Li
Kaleigh, i'm glad to see it illustrated by your reply to Kyoko's nullification of your opinion that your ability to present an argument hasn't gotten any worse nor better.
Funny, I must be really stupid because I can't see that anywhere and I read it several times. But that's ok, eventually you will move on...
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Kraven Dragonis
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Posted - 2005.11.06 00:26:00 -
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Archbishop your actions are unforgivable if you keep this up you will feel the anger of the Minmatar race as we tear you from your pod screaming.
If you ever enter my region of space i will rip your spine from you body and am sure thatÆs pretty nice compared to what will happen to you if her brother caches you, i really do hope are two battlecruiser meet one day.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.06 01:39:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Yuki Li
Kaleigh, i'm glad to see it illustrated by your reply to Kyoko's nullification of your opinion that your ability to present an argument hasn't gotten any worse nor better.
Funny, I must be really stupid because I can't see that anywhere and I read it several times.
Perhaps your language translator was stuck on Caldari. I took the time to learn some Gallentean, that way I don't have to fiddle with the damned thing when it breaks.
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Viscount Theron
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Posted - 2005.11.06 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Viscount Theron on 06/11/2005 03:21:03
The terrorist interrogation has yet to be completed. We shall make no further statements.
Order of the Emperor
In His name thy will be done
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Lorelei Raen
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Posted - 2005.11.06 07:40:00 -
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What a farce.
This is not an isolated incident. If it were, I could understand the shock, outrage, and displays of transient and insubstantial solidarity from pilots outside of Ushra'Khan. This is merely a more publicised account of what happens every damned day in that accursed empire.
Every damned day pilots working for the Republic fleet and other such concerns intercept and destroy Amarrian slave raiders operating in Republic space.
Every damned day, in spite of these efforts, whole families still go missing, never to be seen again.
Every damned day the sort of tortures and depravities so dramatised and glorified by Archbishop are taking place within the Amarr empire.
Every damned day the "right thinking" galactic community puts it's fingers in it's ears, hums a tune, and ignores what is happening right under it's nose, until some dispicable Amarrian beast decides to crow about it.
If the moral outrage in this thread is real, then join alongside the Ushra'Khan and help end this sort of thing.
End it now.
Not just for the sake of Khaminar Murino, but for the sake of all the countless millions of Khaminar Murinos that suffer every second of every day.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.11.06 16:08:00 -
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Yes, every last terrorist attack in the last 2 years has been an attack on a regime that was willing to FREE slaves. It has been an attack on a regime that wished peace.
Apart from your pithy emporer freeing our a number of our children that one time, in return for Midular bending over some more. Please support this bold statement.
Are you implying, that should we not have attacked, our people would all now be living free. Or in fact, more would have been freed than by our attacks?
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Just a simple warrior.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.06 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 06/11/2005 19:58:59
You think so short term, Murino.
Yes you might have indeed freed more individual slaves than Doriam would have released. But had you not been attacking, the Pax Amarria doctarine would seem more logical now. After all, if the heathen refuses to make peace when the olive branch has been give... why bother trying?
Every time you attacked, you helped reinforce the idea that your kind are savages in the average Amarran's mind. Every time you attacked you made more Amarran holders support not the Pax, but the reclaiming.
So yes, you may have freed more slaves in the short run than Doriam. But in doing so you have increased popular support for the enslavement of your people in the long term.
You will never even come close to ending slavery if you try to do it by the sword. You will only kill some slaves, and free others, and then watch as across the empire in that single day more babies are born into slavery than you just freed and killed, and more Amarrans decide that the only good Matari is an enslaved one.
In the long term the sword only strengthens the cause of slavery. Of course, as long as God supports it, the pen wont work either. But it has at least some chance of success, as opposed to attempting genocide.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
You know as well as I do your race cannot survive without us anymore.
The opposite (and correct) view of course is that without the benevolence of the Amarrian Empire, the Minmatar would have been extinct centuries ago, through a mixture of internecine warfare and ecological calamity.
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