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QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:45:00 -
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The easy to find ore anomalies are the best thing that could have been added to this update. Now I can mine in peace.
Every week-old Venture/Procurer/Retriever toon now see's the easily accessible sites and are like "OMG! It's Omber! It's Omber!" which keeps them from swarming the belt I'm in and going out of their way to target the same rocks I'm on even though I'm on the complete opposite side of the belt far away from the warp-in point.
The ore anomalies are also high-sec gank magnets, which again, works out pretty great. Maybe not so much for new miners, but I digress.
Anyway, CCP, you get a heartfelt 10/10 from me. |
Verum Peto
Crayven Corp.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:20:00 -
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Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:23:00 -
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Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty
Like I said before, it's always been that way.
I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.
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Verum Peto
Crayven Corp.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:27:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty Like I said before, it's always been that way. I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.
Come work for me... heh |
Dave Stark
3077
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:34:00 -
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Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty
why would they be gone/empty?
omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:35:00 -
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QuakeGod wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty Like I said before, it's always been that way. I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.
And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up.
What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up.
Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
676
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.
Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising. |
Verum Peto
Crayven Corp.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:41:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:QuakeGod wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty Like I said before, it's always been that way. I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in. And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up. What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up. Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me.
Your statement.... agreed. |
Verum Peto
Crayven Corp.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:42:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.
The past week massive scordite has been the top money maker in my area beating out omber per m3/units |
Dave Stark
3077
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:54:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.
which means it's still **** and not worth mining \o/ |
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Arronicus
Chromeria
WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:28:00 -
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Highsec mining buff, massive nullsec mining nerf. Very easy for pvpers to catch you in sites now, especially without even needing a probe launcher anymore. As was said, less miners probably, so less high ends coming in. Less high ends means less low ends get consumed, so demand drops, and price does with it. |
wentrox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:39:00 -
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It's no chance of any safe second to mine in wormholes, as where is no even local, any cloaked ships can catch miners without detection, as the direct scan is useless. Also only endless noob can say thx ccp for that, anyone can easily mine their scord / omber / kernite on minig missions before odyssey. It's minig nerf at all. |
Gilhelmi
Top Snipe's School of Engineering
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2013.06.12 10:27:00 -
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Stay Alert
Stay Aligned
Stay Alive.
In WH space, I was living that BEFORE the patch, now, I just see more rookie miners coming into my belt (causing me to warp off more often, sadly, but I welcome the company), but I am still living comfortably. Making enough every day too buy a new Exhumer. In Null-sec you can do the exact same and make enough everyday too buy a new miner.
Stay Aligned to a "Safe Spot" that you set-up ahead of time.
Lastly, I have never been ganked because I do not AFK mine. I see a ship, I warp. And yes, I use warp stabilizers, just in case (though I have never been warp scrammed).
Whiny, Null-secers having to stay at their computer while mining. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.
Omber, like Kernite, is also used for some storyline missions. This means these 2 basic ores are usually worth 2-10x more sold as ore than the minerals are worth. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:02:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:QuakeGod wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty Like I said before, it's always been that way. I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in. And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up. What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up. Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me.
If you're saying that less people will be mining, and probably those that are will be mining the high ends, then it stands to reason that prices for ore mined in high sec will slowly rise back to where they were not so long ago. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.06.12 15:05:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.
I checked prices for ore in high sec not including Pyroxeres & Kernite not so long ago and I don't expect they have changed. Omber didn't feature in the top seven which were as follows:
1) Massive Scordite
2) Condensed Scordite
3) Dense Veldspar
4) Scordite
5) Concentrated Veldspar
6) Rich Plagioclase
7) Veldspar
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.06.12 16:54:00 -
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http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/
The prices fluctuate, and the ones at the bottom are close enough that they swap easily. last time I looked, Veld was at the bottom. at the time of posting, it's 3rd from the bottom. with very little in it, really.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam
Phantom Armada
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:28:00 -
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well yesterday i saw that scordite became more valuable than any other high sec ore, seconded by pyroxeres.... |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising. which means it's still **** and not worth mining \o/
Not if you consider your efficiency. Omber used to be worth less than half what veldspar was per m3, now it is worth more. Ift is still not the top ore in high sec and probably never will be, but on average it is on par with the rest, except maybe Scrodite which rivals Veldspar in supply. Cherry picking only the top ores means you are spend more time moving around and targeting smaller rocks, more short cycles, and more travelling. This quickly eats up the slight profit advantage of the other regional ores such as pyrox.
Chiribba mines mostly Veldspar for a reason. The volume available more than makes up for the slight drop in isk/m3. You may make a little more cherry picking if you get to the belts before others, but most of you added profit is lost in partial cycles and the additional travel time to reach enough of the cherries to fill your hold. You will often have to cherry pick several belts to equal the same m3 you get from pulling veldspar from a single belt. Generally I strip everything in a belt, I do not cherry pick only the highest value. I was averaging 25M/hr for each account before Odyssey.Not bad for low stress mining in high sec. With the rise in Omber pricing there is no longer any benefit to skipping over it. This price increase also means the high sec ORE anomalies that have such huge volumes of Omber are also worth mining now. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
693
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:48:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Verum Peto wrote:Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty why would they be gone/empty? omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos. Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising. I checked prices for ore in high sec not including Pyroxeres & Kernite not so long ago and I don't expect they have changed. Omber didn't feature in the top seven which were as follows: 1) Massive Scordite 2) Condensed Scordite 3) Dense Veldspar 4) Scordite 5) Concentrated Veldspar 6) Rich Plagioclase 7) Veldspar
It changes constantly, but the price differences are not a huge spread in high sec.
Right now Veldspar, Omber, and Plagioclase are all around 2500 isk/m3, the order for most valuable changes constantly, often several timers a day. The most valuable high sec ore has been jumping between Pyroxeres and scordite both around 3200 isk/m3. Not so impressive when you consider Spodumain, formerly the worst ore in game is now worth 3200 isk/m3 and the top ore today is worth over 4800 isk/m3 (not counting mercoxit at over 6700 isk/m3).
The point is Omber was once the highest value ore in high sec, then for a long time it was the worst, and was avoided like the plague, Now it is pretty much on par with the rest. Not worth enough to go out looking for it, but certainly not worth avoiding anymore. |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:26:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
And what of null sec mining?
Null sec miners have always lived with the possibility that their anom has been scanned out and the red has logged or plans to return. I've never felt more safe mining in null from it needing to be scanned and anyone who did was probably gank fodder himself. So I don't think this change really makes much of a difference. If anything it helps a little. When you call for assistance if you need it, the blues can come right on over without a gang invite! |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:32:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
And what of null sec mining?
Null sec miners have always lived with the possibility that their anom has been scanned out and the red has logged or plans to return. I've never felt more safe mining in null from it needing to be scanned and anyone who did was probably gank fodder himself. So I don't think this change really makes much of a difference. If anything it helps a little. When you call for assistance if you need it, the blues can come right on over without a gang invite!
Another knock on effect is that now actually mining in the belts is an option. The anoms used to be it, relatively safe because they had to be scanned down. Mining in a belt is about as safe as the anoms now, and with the buff to Spodumain, and Gniess, marginally profitable in bad truesec where ABCM ores don't spawn except in the anoms. This has added a few shells to the shell game of where are the Exhumers, because they don't have to be in the anoms any more to make ISK, and that little bit of time to D-Scan where they are just makes more time for the observant to warp to safety.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
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