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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:29:00 -
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...For me to poop on!
Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.
To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:
Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst. And that's assuming you have a neutral to positive view on the hacking minigame. Plus the nature of the minigame and the rush to figure out what you need to get and get it doesn't mesh at all with the game or anything else in it to my knowledge. Usually devs try to make a game better. When they get feed back that a new idea is stupid, it sucks, etc. they really should consider why people are saying that. Sometimes the people who say those things are right.
I'm sorry but loot spew is new coke and I want classic coke back.
Also, it'd be nice if the hacking minigame gave me some options for what I'm looking for. I don't want to go to a data site and get carbon. Or scrap metal. Or a single data sheet... right now, I must say that this aspect of the expansion is full of data sheet.
Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.
I can has blogging skills! |
Bane Veradun
Band of Blobbers
23
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:33:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:...Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.
I have often said the same thing about asteroid composition based on system security. It's a game, you aren't going to find the Holy Grail day one.
A lion that needs his prey to lay down in front of him, is no lion at all. He's a pet. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:37:00 -
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This isn't about finding the holy grail, this is about data and relic sites having diarrhea in space.
I can has blogging skills! |
Aragoni
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:48:00 -
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I am doing these things as I'm typing it and I really enjoy it. Doing it with another person and I lose very little loot. |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
24
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:08:00 -
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I hated the spew container when watching it on youtube, but it's actually nice enough trying it myself.. Just focus on the good containers and don't pick up the scrap containers, that's my free advice.
I can imagine some people spasming over seeing their potential loot flying in all directions and disappearing into nothingness though :p but it's always been the nature of exploring, only now it's more visually obvious and taunting. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1550
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:05:00 -
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Aragoni wrote:I am doing these things as I'm typing it and I really enjoy it. Doing it with another person and I lose very little loot.
Considering only around 3 containers actually contain anything valuable, you don't need another person. Just use a cargo scanner and focus on specific cans.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
101
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:15:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:...For me to poop on!
Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.
To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:
Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst. And that's assuming you have a neutral to positive view on the hacking minigame. Plus the nature of the minigame and the rush to figure out what you need to get and get it doesn't mesh at all with the game or anything else in it to my knowledge. Usually devs try to make a game better. When they get feed back that a new idea is stupid, it sucks, etc. they really should consider why people are saying that. Sometimes the people who say those things are right.
I'm sorry but loot spew is new coke and I want classic coke back.
Also, it'd be nice if the hacking minigame gave me some options for what I'm looking for. I don't want to go to a data site and get carbon. Or scrap metal. Or a single data sheet... right now, I must say that this aspect of the expansion is full of data sheet.
Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.
+1 I endorse this message. |
Jada Maroo
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
1104
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Posted - 2013.06.05 01:24:00 -
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Loot bukkake! |
Ari Laveran
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.06.05 01:30:00 -
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Me and my corp mates had quite a bit of fun with it today, when we could actually find the sites at all. The hacking mini game was kind of fun too. |
Enaz Selpats
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:26:00 -
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I don't mind the new hacking game.....but I second this loot spew bullshit. Hacked a can and 10 balls flew out......my reward? 1660 isk worth of data sheets and carbon!!!! ******* junk......was there really a good reason to spew the loot and give 10 secs to collect it? Someone is smoking crack....namely the person who thought of the lame idea. Sound mad don't I? Well after wasting an hour and a half going through a half dozen systems to finally find a data site which contains "Sweet **** all" what would you expect......Ditch the data spew CCP, its ******* junk! |
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Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices
Petition Blizzard
120
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:28:00 -
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I learned to drink
When I was 5
Been drinking since then
And I'm still alive
Cause I was born to spew
Yes born to spew, baby
I was born to spew
And to date I'm not through
"You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Aralello
Nano-core
2
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:04:00 -
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Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data.. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Smegnet Corp
4367
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:23:00 -
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I rather like the hacking minigame and the loot ejection. Of course that might be because I made 100m off a blueprint I found in my very first one lol.
They are more fun to do with a friend so you can get them all. |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
876
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:33:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere?
Only picking up on this comment as you coined it well 
Sort of say the same about everything in EVE.
- Why do rats warp to Asteroid belts but don't bring mining barges?
- Why do they appear at gates, but never use them?
- Why do they appear in high sec?
In short, don't look for LOGIC as under every rock, ANTILOGIC lurking, ready to cave your skull in.
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GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥
GÇò Philip K. **** |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
255
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:36:00 -
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If the loot was worth taking, it would be fine, I found 20mill in 3 hours in null sec. |
Haulie Berry
930
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:41:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:If the loot was worth taking, it would be fine, I found 20mill in 3 hours in null sec.
This is from less than 3 hours in low sec last night. I'll be trying out Null tonight.
http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZ
There are some nuances to the system that I think are still lost on people. They're not super-subtle nuances, and most people will get a grasp on them soon enough. Once you know how the system works, the loot vastly outstrips the previous system. In the meantime, I am really enjoying the lack of competition thanks to exploration rage-quitters.
If you're just randomly clicking the cans in an attempt to get as many as possible, you're doing it wrong. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
302
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:42:00 -
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- Why do rats warp to Asteroid belts but don't bring mining barges?
-> Because they want to kill miners (They are pirates after all).
- Why do they appear at gates, but never use them?
-> Because they gate camp. Gate campers never move.
- Why do they appear in high sec?
-> Because they are sneaky bastards. Having their own smuggler stargates etc.
It's not too hard to explain, imo. It doesn't even require a lot of lore. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
100
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:44:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:...For me to poop on!
Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.
To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:
Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst.
Mr Tinfoil Hat says...
This was done to get explorers spending more time uncloaked and on site longer, to increase the chance of getting pointed and shot by someone. While you are hacking a site you can't be cloaked. While dicking around with can spew you arent cloaked. AND with the added bonus of getting you to bring a buddy along to get shot also (to grab all the drops).
More active thought time spent dicking around on a site equals less attention paid to local and less mashing of d-scan.
This was done to create more targets for others IMHO, because as you point out it can't seriously have been designed as compelling gameplay (at least the can spew part)
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |
Haulie Berry
930
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Posted - 2013.06.06 17:47:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
This was done to get explorers spending more time uncloaked and on site longer, to increase the chance of getting pointed and shot by someone. While you are hacking a site you can't be cloaked. While dicking around with can spew you arent cloaked. AND with the added bonus of getting you to bring a buddy along to get shot also (to grab all the drops).
One interesting note: Unlike the old system, where a sig would remain in system until you opened a can AND left grid, in the new system, the sig pops after you unlock the first can, which means that the window for hunting people without combat probes is actually kind of narrow (unless they pre-scan the sites as use them as bait). |
Greg Valanti
Highsec Heroes
Blue Sec
90
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:07:00 -
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Aralello wrote:Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times.
I think the relic drops are in "Equipment" canisters. |
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Haulie Berry
932
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:08:00 -
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Greg Valanti wrote:Aralello wrote:Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times. I think the relic drops are in "Equipment" canisters.
All of my T2 salvage has come from "Parts" and "Materials" containers. I have yet to see anything worthwhile in an "equipment" container (which doesn't mean there is nothing worthwhile in them - I've only done 4-5 relics). |
Seniae 0n3
35
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:10:00 -
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refuse the urge to loot it all helps a lot  ... though we're human we want it all! So yeah guess it's all about choices ... to loot or to not loot |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
793
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:22:00 -
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Aralello wrote:Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times.
Now this is a very interesting post, thank you.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Korotani
Seraphim Inc
Black Fence.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:37:00 -
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nah nah nah nah naah use a cargo scanner nah nah nah nah naaaah neo
nah nah nah nah nah read this that I found on google in a few seconds nah nah nah sporin
EDIT: Seriously scan them, some of them just aren't worth hacking unless you want practice.
Trust no one.-á |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2852
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:39:00 -
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Why am I getting the impression that the moving of the undock button and the loot spew have mananged to screw up a few bots? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2065
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:46:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Loot bukkake!
Lootkake?
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Aralello
Nano-core
5
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:49:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Aralello wrote:Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times. Now this is a very interesting post, thank you.
You're welcome. 
I'll do some more 'sploring just to make sure. Although, Korotani's link may be more accurate.
Edit - Equipment and Scraps are entirely useless until they add more items.
Edit 2 - I was certain I got a data core from a data can but according to Neural Boost they're in parts cans, time to investigate. :) |
Haulie Berry
932
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:10:00 -
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Aralello wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Aralello wrote:Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.
Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.
Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.
Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.
Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.
Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.
It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.
Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.
Avoid scraps boxes at all times. Now this is a very interesting post, thank you. You're welcome. I'll do some more 'sploring just to make sure. Although, Korotani's link may be more accurate. Edit - Equipment and Scraps are entirely useless until they add more items. Edit 2 - I was certain I got a data core from a data can but according to Neural Boost they're in parts cans, time to investigate. :)
I, too, have been getting them from parts cans.
While I was playing on Sisi, I occasionally got some salvage from "scrap" cans. I assumed, at the time, that the can contents were probability based, and not necessarily a fixed value, but I'm leaning towards fixed on TQ. |
Remy Duchateau
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
State Section 9
3
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:16:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:...For me to poop on!
Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.
To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:
Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst. And that's assuming you have a neutral to positive view on the hacking minigame. Plus the nature of the minigame and the rush to figure out what you need to get and get it doesn't mesh at all with the game or anything else in it to my knowledge. Usually devs try to make a game better. When they get feed back that a new idea is stupid, it sucks, etc. they really should consider why people are saying that. Sometimes the people who say those things are right.
I'm sorry but loot spew is new coke and I want classic coke back.
Also, it'd be nice if the hacking minigame gave me some options for what I'm looking for. I don't want to go to a data site and get carbon. Or scrap metal. Or a single data sheet... right now, I must say that this aspect of the expansion is full of data sheet.
Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.
Ah, let me give my word on this.
So I live in low-sec, got me a Cheetah to do some exploration and I went off into some quiet systems. I kept doing it for say 3 hours more or less and have currently sold 160mill of loot and I'm waiting on another 100mill profit I'll make from producing the items from all the bpc's.
If you ask me it is quite profitable. Furthermore here's a nice tip. Use a cargo scanner on the structure! It'll give you a nice view on the content and then you can decide what containers you want to tractor in first. For example you see all those tasty bpc's then you'll simply grab all the data containers you can. It isn't that hard. I bet it's even easier when having a buddy next to you.
Also get out of high-sec for exploration! Low and null-sec are safe enough. 
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PrimalParadox
Khanid Special Ops
0
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Posted - 2013.06.07 12:12:00 -
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Just to add my 2 cents,
I've loved exploring since the moment I tried it and have spent countless hours scanning 1/2 of eve enjoying enery minute of it. Was great, so is the new mini game, bit out of place and pointless but good fun so what the hey. the loot spew has killed it for me completly. I finally figured out where the loot was going (i was to lazy to travel to the tutorial agent to have it explained to me :)) only to discover more than 1/2 of what ever i find is lost lo space no matter how fast i am and to top it off what i do get is total rubbish unless you win the lottery.
Totally gutted, docked up after this sold my scanning ships and took the rigs out to free up room for something useful.
This is pretty depressing as my favourite pastime now is not, and to top it off I don't enjoy anything besides the old exploration, the rest of eve's to boring solo. |
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