...Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.

I am doing these things as I'm typing it and I really enjoy it. Doing it with another person and I lose very little loot.

...For me to poop on!


Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.



To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:

Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst. And that's assuming you have a neutral to positive view on the hacking minigame. Plus the nature of the minigame and the rush to figure out what you need to get and get it doesn't mesh at all with the game or anything else in it to my knowledge. Usually devs try to make a game better. When they get feed back that a new idea is stupid, it sucks, etc. they really should consider why people are saying that. Sometimes the people who say those things are right.

I'm sorry but loot spew is new coke and I want classic coke back.

Also, it'd be nice if the hacking minigame gave me some options for what I'm looking for. I don't want to go to a data site and get carbon. Or scrap metal. Or a single data sheet... right now, I must say that this aspect of the expansion is full of data sheet.

Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.

Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere?

If the loot was worth taking, it would be fine, I found 20mill in 3 hours in null sec.

...For me to poop on!

Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.

To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:

Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst.

This was done to get explorers spending more time uncloaked and on site longer, to increase the chance of getting pointed and shot by someone. While you are hacking a site you can't be cloaked. While dicking around with can spew you arent cloaked. AND with the added bonus of getting you to bring a buddy along to get shot also (to grab all the drops).

Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.

Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.

Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.

Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.

Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.

Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.

It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.

Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.

Avoid scraps boxes at all times.

I think the relic drops are in "Equipment" canisters.

Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.

Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.

Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.

Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.

Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.

Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.

It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.

Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.

Avoid scraps boxes at all times.

Loot bukkake!

Now this is a very interesting post, thank you.

You're welcome.

I'll do some more 'sploring just to make sure. Although, Korotani's link may be more accurate.

Edit - Equipment and Scraps are entirely useless until they add more items.

Edit 2 - I was certain I got a data core from a data can but according to Neural Boost they're in parts cans, time to investigate. :)

...For me to poop on!


Dear lead designer, you are iterating the wrong bloody direction. It's like you are docked in a station trying to get out, but you are clicking the old undock location where the button you inexplicably moved isn't there any more.



To whomever who decided it would be a good idea to add to the game:

Really? It's irritating at best, totally frustrating at worst. And that's assuming you have a neutral to positive view on the hacking minigame. Plus the nature of the minigame and the rush to figure out what you need to get and get it doesn't mesh at all with the game or anything else in it to my knowledge. Usually devs try to make a game better. When they get feed back that a new idea is stupid, it sucks, etc. they really should consider why people are saying that. Sometimes the people who say those things are right.

I'm sorry but loot spew is new coke and I want classic coke back.

Also, it'd be nice if the hacking minigame gave me some options for what I'm looking for. I don't want to go to a data site and get carbon. Or scrap metal. Or a single data sheet... right now, I must say that this aspect of the expansion is full of data sheet.

Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.

Just to add my 2 cents,

I've loved exploring since the moment I tried it and have spent countless hours scanning 1/2 of eve enjoying enery minute of it. Was great, so is the new mini game, bit out of place and pointless but good fun so what the hey. the loot spew has killed it for me completly. I finally figured out where the loot was going (i was to lazy to travel to the tutorial agent to have it explained to me :)) only to discover more than 1/2 of what ever i find is lost lo space no matter how fast i am and to top it off what i do get is total rubbish unless you win the lottery.

Totally gutted, docked up after this sold my scanning ships and took the rigs out to free up room for something useful.

This is pretty depressing as my favourite pastime now is not, and to top it off I don't enjoy anything besides the old exploration, the rest of eve's to boring solo.

Just to add my 2 cents,

I've loved exploring since the moment I tried it and have spent countless hours scanning 1/2 of eve enjoying enery minute of it. Was great, so is the new mini game, bit out of place and pointless but good fun so what the hey. the loot spew has killed it for me completly. I finally figured out where the loot was going (i was to lazy to travel to the tutorial agent to have it explained to me :)) only to discover more than 1/2 of what ever i find is lost lo space no matter how fast i am and to top it off what i do get is total rubbish unless you win the lottery.

Totally gutted, docked up after this sold my scanning ships and took the rigs out to free up room for something useful.

This is pretty depressing as my favourite pastime now is not, and to top it off I don't enjoy anything besides the old exploration, the rest of eve's to boring solo.

Yes, some of the containers are larger than the others. But you need to scan it to find out which cans you need to primary anyways. It sounds like people don't like it because they just suck at collecting the right containers. 2 minutes of scanning and 5 minutes hacking/looting nets 50-100mil. There is nothing to complain about. I love this new system. You just can't be an idiot when doing it.

Okay, I'm not really questioning the profits to be made, I just don't like how you get those profits into your ship after you are done hacking.



And upon thinking further, for an exploration expansion, CCP really dropped the ball.

1. Where are all the hacking specific skills and mods? You know, stronger viruses, better attack/defense vs defensive nodes, a skill or mod that increases your virus strength every turn.
2. Where's defensive systems that let everyone know where the node is and that you are hacking it (more for low and null if you failed to hack it or are taking too long)? A failed hack would be a great reason to spawn a few NPCs to put the hurt on the player.
3. Where are skills, ships, or mods that allow you to tracker in more than one container at a time?
4. Where are hacking drones that will hack for you or loot drones that'll take your loot to your hold for you automatically.
5. Why couldn't have CCP redesigned the imicus? That thing is ugly as heck and I'd like to look at a more attractive ship.
6. The Genosis is a big hit, why can't every faction (or ORE) put up a version of it?
7. Why didn't they add more things to do for exploration? Why can't we have new combat sites or ships sending distress calls that you need to rescue or give us a mission from a local corp that pops up when we warp to the area? Why can't we find a site of a recent battle where we can just salvage and loot?


They could have done any of those things to make exploration cool and instead they make loot spew, loot bukkake, loot diarrhea, or whatever you call it.

Loot bukkake!

Plus think about this logically. Who in the bloody right mind would spend all that money to hide 2 pieces of carbon and a blank data sheet in the middle of nowhere? That makes no sense when you think about it logically. If you are taking time to set up something like that, you're putting something in it that worth your time and effort.

1) Cargo scan before you hack to see IF it is even worth it and to find out wich cans to go for.

2) I like this ejection thing - should be applied to ship losses and POS bashing as well.

I am doing these things as I'm typing it and I really enjoy it. Doing it with another person and I lose very little loot.

but it's always been the nature of exploring, only now it's more visually obvious and taunting.

Out of interest (I've not done much exploration and certainly none of the post-Oddysey type), how do you determine which containers are likely to contain better loot? Do they look different/have a different coloured bracket?

2) I like this ejection thing - should be applied to ship losses and POS bashing as well.

Mr Tinfoil Hat says...

This was done to get explorers spending more time uncloaked and on site longer, to increase the chance of getting pointed and shot by someone. While you are hacking a site you can't be cloaked. While dicking around with can spew you arent cloaked. AND with the added bonus of getting you to bring a buddy along to get shot also (to grab all the drops).

More active thought time spent dicking around on a site equals less attention paid to local and less mashing of d-scan.

This was done to turn explorers into better targets IMHO, because as you point out it can't seriously have been designed as compelling gameplay (at least the can spew part)

Loot bukkake!

I love the bukkake if you know what to grab it's easy to get the good stuff. They should add this mechanic to asteroid mining and I would probably like 'roid bukkake too.

Think I might just switch sides and become the hunter if so many or enjoying this awful, new, feature and making so much ISK from it. Would save me the trouble dealing with all the nonsense.

Congratulations sir! You have solved the AFK mining problem/issue. Strip miners strip all the minerals off the astroids and they go flying into space roid-kkake style.

So, when you bash a CHA and 100Km3 comes out, you're supposed to lose most of it because your fleet might have 20Km3 free space. Brilliant.

The spew mechanic is not bad, but can't say I enjoy it. Its like when my GF cooks something she's proud of and says is really good but it's not and I just have to sit and smile to make her happy wishing I could have ordered a pizza instead. Definitely not an experience I want to pay for in a game.

Welp, after playing a few times and getting quite a few decryptors in low-sec I've figured out the pattern.

Use a cargo scanner, always use a cargo scanner.

Decryptors in there? Click on Parts boxes.

Datacores & Blue Prints? Data boxes.

Cables & Cords? Material Boxes.

Relic Sites only really have rig things, which you should be clicking on parts I believe.

It seems to work, yeah you'll get some coal etc. but the decryptors were 100% in the boxes I mentioned.

Skillbooks are always in data. Got a couple.

Avoid scraps boxes at all times.

I just hope they don't come up with any other mini-games, mini-games tend to ruin MMOs.

This is from less than 3 hours in low sec last night. I'll be trying out Null tonight.

http://imgur.com/aNMdLoZ

Conclusion: Low sec doesn't need buffs, nerf low sec

There is a reason for lewt spew.... can't macro it hence no bots can do it

One interesting note: Unlike the old system, where a sig would remain in system until you opened a can AND left grid, in the new system, the sig pops after you unlock the first can, which means that the window for hunting people without combat probes is actually kind of narrow (unless they pre-scan the sites and use them as bait).

I tend to blitz the closest of the easy-mode cans in a new site just to get my sig off the grid.

Also yes loot can spew is terrible. Exploration is no fun and unprofitable. The game would be much better if all of you moved on to other professions.

Sounds like someone is bitter because all the newbies have caused a price crash.

I am doing these things as I'm typing it and I really enjoy it. Doing it with another person and I lose very little loot.

I hated the spew container when watching it on youtube, but it's actually nice enough trying it myself.. Just focus on the good containers and don't pick up the scrap containers, that's my free advice.

I can imagine some people spasming over seeing their potential loot flying in all directions and disappearing into nothingness though :p but it's always been the nature of exploring, only now it's more visually obvious and taunting.

This. It takes thought, focus, and good reactions (all of which you can build up with a little practice) and you'll come up with shinies eventually. Some sites just don't have anything decent in them, but that's why you cargo-scan the containers first.

In the beginning null was empty, and dark, and void...

And the nullsec alliances that formed elected CSM representatives, to take their message of 'moar soft targets' to THE LORD....

So CCP crafted Oddyssey on sisi, an exploration-based release to draw moar bear flesh into the void.

But lo there still wasn't enough bear flesh for the hunters in null to consume, and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So CCP invented loot spew, to entice the bears to bring other bears with them, and provide even moar flesh to the hungry null pews.

But lo, the bears would watch local and cloak as soon as a nullpew entered system to harvest their flesh.

So CCP crafted a mini game, to bedazzle and mystify the bear, and take his attention off local long enough for the null pew to point him.

And the null pews were satisfied, and it was now the bears wailing and gnashing their teeth. For they did not enjoy the non-consensual expansion of their nether orifices.

And CCP said "look what we have done! It is beautiful in our sight! What moar can we do?'.

So THE LORD commanded that a player event be enacted, to bring even moar bear flesh into the void. And CCP led a cast of thousands of naive bears into the border regions, where null pews waited hungrily to slaughter them and feed on their flesh.

And CCP waved their hands in consentric patterns while chanting 'RUBICON! RUBICON!', and this mystified the null pew long enough to forget their pains of TiDi and empty wasteland systems...

So let it be written. So let it be undone.