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Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec Reasoning: You build ships - the general rabble sell them in Jita or surrounding sales hubs so you have to sell them there as well. You mine - and you need to sell the resulting mins - in a high sec trade hub You make components/ammo etc - you have to sell them in high sec to make money. Buying BPs and shipping them out to null is essential only to make supers. Proof: Let's paint the normal scenario of existing in Eve. Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec. You need the BP, mins and skills. Got the money to purchase said items? No - mine or mission or buy all required items by selling PLEX. OK - got the cash now buy the BPOs in null... no, low sec maybe ...no ...HIGH SEC! The next step assumes you are crazy enough (or have the brosefs around) to get the BP from high-sec to null without gettting ganked. Let us also assume you have null sec space because you have either captured the space or have entered into an agreement that allows you to dock and use station slots. Having succeed getting them into your space - the next step is to prepare the BP to be cost effective - that will require time and station/POS facilities, So you get the mins in null (if you can mine them), build the ships in null -but can't get everything you want to fit in the ships in null so you got to go where they are being sold - high sec. SO many stages that adds SO much risk and then you find that cost wise, they are cheaper in high sec. So you end up thinking ... why the hassle? IT IS NOT WORTH THE EFFORT OR THE RISK tl;dr Morale of the story is if you are a builder and you want to make real money, you HAVE to go to high sec to sell - you cannot sell it in substantial numbers in null hence you cannot make the money you need to make in null. Q: Why do Vets leave Eve? A: It becomes a job Reasoning: As most forum posts will point out - you need to be part of a group to do most things in Eve (to accomplish significant goals). That means that in the majority of cases those that wish to play solo will get bored more quickly and leave. If you want good fites you need to be part of a null sec alliance, being subject to the rules and conditions of the group. This means your Eve time becomes a job - a place that requires your application and time, consuming more time as more requirements present themselves to be fulfilled. Then there is the need for self-sufficiency which necessitates a ratting grind or a trip to high sec to sell the stuff you have made in null (with all the risks included). After 5 yrs of doing this you think - no more - I don't want a non-paying job or the hassle of defending a pixel landscape with a group of great like-minded people, or the grind for pixel money - my family deserve my full attention as they are not pixels... tl;dr We already have a life and Eve only takes away from it (although it takes a few years to realise). There is no way of playing a small game of Eve People complain that skill = skill points If a 6mth newb that has trained his rifter and associated skills to lvl5 - comes across a 6yr old vet that is in a rifter - that is a level playing field ship wise. If a 1v1 situation occurrs in that scenario, you are left with skill as the decider. The ONLY thing the vet has over the newb is lots more choice. What has Eve taught you? I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2170	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:51:00 - [2] - Quote If your possessions will be of no further use to you, please consider contracting them to me. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Pipernelli Spacemitt Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:52:00 - [3] - Quote I'll gladly hold on to your assets until such time as you return. o7 m8 fly safe
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:53:00 - [4] - Quote So Doc - Eve has taught you to be a beggar? I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 785	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:54:00 - [5] - Quote Klandi wrote: What has Eve taught you? EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE. Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST. I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 785	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:55:00 - [6] - Quote PS: give me your stuff since i actually responded to your drivel. Thanks~ Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST. I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this.
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:57:00 - [7] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: Klandi wrote: What has Eve taught you? EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE. Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14545	Posted - 2013.06.04 22:58:00 - [8] - Quote I have learned that no matter how much information you give people, they'll still miss itGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:00:00 - [9] - Quote Insightful as usual Tippia - liked I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 280	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote you got the answer to your own question wrong. A: Most of eve's population are risk averse and feel they would lose more than they would gain outside of high sec. Most of the money in eve comes from null/wormhole space, not high sec mining/mission bears.

Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:04:00 - [11] - Quote Yes, you're right, the most populous parts of Eve are where the most trading, price optimisation and sales volume are. When null is RED unless you're in the right corp, what do you expect? People meet somewhere reasonably safe to do business and that's where the profits are made as a result, simply because it's a place where everyone can go without (unless you're suicided) being parted from your cargo. On the plus side, CCP have made travel so much easier, with JF's, jump clones, cloaky transports and all of that kind of stuff. When I was a kid, we had to slow boat between gates with nary a cloak between us in order to shift goods. That freighter haul through HED-GP was hair raising, I can tell you. I don't see a problem here.
Sivinn Da'Lawa The Expatriot League 2	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote Klandi wrote: Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec ~~~ Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec. So part of your example is about building Carriers in Null instead of High Sec. You pick an item that can't even be built or sold in High Sec to complain about how you have to build and sell stuff in High Sec to sell it and make money. So since you are leaving and I have assisted you in pointing out your ineptitude, I feel your only recourse is to provide me with all of your things.
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2351	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:06:00 - [13] - Quote Klandi wrote: Lykouleon wrote: Klandi wrote: What has Eve taught you? EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE. Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money I make my money building capitals in a lowsec that I rented from some people, I get all my minerals from highsec, of course, but I just spend a day or two doing trips in a freighter. The rest is me hanging out, killing things, mining some minerals myself, ratting or just playing other games. Twice a day I'll set up batches of capital parts and I have a spreadsheet that ensure I'm making decent profit and have all the minerals I need when I got o buy them in the first place. And this might be a shock to you but it's kind of a good idea to live where your most likely customers live as well, being in low and null is perfect for that when you deal in capital ships. Oh wait, you mentioned that all the modules that these people would be needing aren't sold there either!? WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES. You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies. People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff. The Drake is a Lie
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:09:00 - [14] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: you got the answer to your own question wrong. A: Most of eve's population are risk averse and feel they would lose more than they would gain outside of high sec. I think the risk averse statement is correct, which adds to my statement. Thanks for the support. [/quote]Most of the money in eve comes from null/wormhole space, not high sec mining/mission bears.[/quote] Fit out a strategic cruiser and tell me where you end up getting all of it from - not WH or null although thats where you find the components. I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:15:00 - [15] - Quote Xercodo wrote: WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES. You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies. People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff. Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!! So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1893	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:20:00 - [16] - Quote Klandi wrote: Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling. I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player. EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame.
Guillame Herschel Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 44	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:25:00 - [17] - Quote Just quit the damn game. Jesus.
Skydell Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 537	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:26:00 - [18] - Quote There is no CCP in New Eden. If New Eden were the real world, Blizzard would have ganked them in to oblivion 9 years ago. EVE isn't about you, it isn't about me. It's about the blob. It's about using other people. As an alternative you can accept that you will never "win" EVE and just roll with the waves. If you insist on making an Empire you can call your own, by yourself? Go on the test server. I've held Sov, Made outposts, built titans, Super Carriers. On test server. On Tranquility it takes a lot of people to do those things. You can be one of them. No more, doesn't matter how many accounts you have.
Xuixien Elysium Dominion 463	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:30:00 - [19] - Quote Stopped reading at Quote: A derp, a dip, a herpadippyderrrr (translation of quotation: "A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec") I have a friend who made 1 billion ISK in 1 day of LowSec exploration. I've made at least 500 million ISK off of looting the wrecks of dead ratters in Providence... FW has afforded me years of game time... Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Klandi wrote: Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling. I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player. EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame. Not trolling or have any issues in the esteem dept. Enlighten me with your definition of fun - I am interested. 4yrs ago - when I was young in the game - building was fun for me. Missioning was fun. Then it started to become a grind. Then I turned to PvP - and that was fun - then it started to become a grind. So pray tell how a person who has done all the stuff that Eve has to offer, retains the fun I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2352	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:32:00 - [21] - Quote Klandi wrote: Xercodo wrote: WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES. You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies. People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff. Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!! So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!! You rent from goons and make billions providing them with ammo as you make daily/weekly trips to highsec for supplies Either that or you start building them there yourself. There's such a thing as NPC station too ya know? The Drake is a Lie
Delen Ormand Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:34:00 - [22] - Quote Klandi wrote: Xercodo wrote: WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES. You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies. People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff. Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!! So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!! Maybe you could make a deal with an alliance to keep a system safe (ok, relatively) in order to establish a null trade hub from which they could benefit through tax or something? Dunno, seems like a business opportunity there if you're prepared to put the work in..
Zak Breen Aliastra Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote If it's not worth the effort or risk - to you - then don't do it. Risk is risk: sometimes it works out very well while other times it will be a catastrophe. That's life, that's EVE, and that's all to be said. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing. http://www.di.fm/spacemusic
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:36:00 - [24] - Quote Guillame Herschel wrote: Just quit the damn game. Jesus. Thank you for your input - name is Klandi - Jesus is my alt :) One of the reasons I put this out there is to highlight a problem that needs addressing - become part of the solution type stuff. Would like to see what Eve has taught you I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi Consortium of stella Technologies 74	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:39:00 - [25] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Klandi wrote: Xercodo wrote: WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES. You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies. People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff. Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!! So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!! You rent from goons and make billions providing them with ammo as you make daily/weekly trips to highsec for supplies Either that or you start building them there yourself. There's such a thing as NPC station too ya know? OK - but what has Eve taught you? I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1414	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:41:00 - [26] - Quote So if you want to build, why do you care where you build it. Of course the areas of highest population will support a manufacturing infrastructure. I'd be willing to bet if you REALLY wanted, you could find people and build up your own nullsec manufacturing and market hub somewhere. Jita wasn't built in a day either. And no, you can make loads of isk outside of HS. I haven't made any isk in HS in probably 2 years.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 485	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:50:00 - [27] - Quote I'm too tired to read the first post in it's entirety, I guess OP should be glad hisec will be little less crowded without him? My market orders in Great Wildlands are doing great by the way. I've made money in about every sec there is, enough to fuel my pvp needs without resorting to alts or buying PLEX. Leave if you must, I'm sticking around. I'm pretty good at entertaining myself with internet spaceships business and space bubble castles.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 10	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:52:00 - [28] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: So if you want to build, why do you care where you build it. Of course the areas of highest population will support a manufacturing infrastructure. I'd be willing to bet if you REALLY wanted, you could find people and build up your own nullsec manufacturing and market hub somewhere. Jita wasn't built in a day either. And no, you can make loads of isk outside of HS. I haven't made any isk in HS in probably 2 years. Outside of highsec you lose exponentially more than you make, that is an iron rule of eve.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 156	Posted - 2013.06.04 23:57:00 - [29] - Quote Xercodo wrote: You rent from goons and make billions providing them with ammo as you make daily/weekly trips to highsec for supplies Ah, using newbie land (safety) to get the mats for the ISK. So that newbie land no longer resembles it, with null corps sucking up the very mats the newbies even need to start mining. So when they ask in local about where's the 'roids, all the folks can say is, "try tomorrow". This sounds like that EvE dev that mentioned about the bot/IsBox problem in ice mining, but never addressing how that became what it became and why it exists. Why? $$$ High sec trade is tolerated along with IsBox and even bots if it fills the till. Meanwhile, the game itself and quality of life issues are ignored. Ignore it and it might go away. Ignore it so some prison gang like corp can rule. Ignore it so folks will just buy PLEX in packs of 6/8/12 like good "whales". Big PvP game and this "answer" is priceless... Xercodo wrote: There's such a thing as NPC station too ya know? /facepalm "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
kilteroff Co-operative Resource Extraction 0	Posted - 2013.06.05 00:03:00 - [30] - Quote Eve has taught me that nullbears are endlessly hilarious. My brain has taught me if you play a game but don't enjoy it you're the one at fault, and you're likely avoiding real life; that family you mention.



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