What has Eve taught you?

EVE has taught me that if you actually believe what you posted, you never actually played EVE.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

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Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec.

Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

you got the answer to your own question wrong.

A: Most of eve's population are risk averse and feel they would lose more than they would gain outside of high sec.

WELL THEN PUT SOME EFFORT INTO PROVIDING THOSE MODULES.

You'll make a killing on the lazies that don't wanna goto highsec to get supplies.

People live in ALL the sec zones even if the markets are in highsec doesnt mean people from the otherzones care to actually travel there to get their stuff.

Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

A derp, a dip, a herpadippyderrrr

EVE has taught me that people using belittling terms like "pubbies" have self-esteem issues and are trolling.

I earn my ISK by doing things I consider fun. Of course the definition of fun will differ with the player.

EVE has taught me that even hardcore EVE veteran players forget that EVE is a sandbox and not an amusement park. If they are not having fun, they only have themselves to blame.

Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!!
So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!!

Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!!
So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!!

Just quit the damn game. Jesus.

You rent from goons and make billions providing them with ammo as you make daily/weekly trips to highsec for supplies

Either that or you start building them there yourself.

There's such a thing as NPC station too ya know?

So if you want to build, why do you care where you build it. Of course the areas of highest population will support a manufacturing infrastructure.

I'd be willing to bet if you REALLY wanted, you could find people and build up your own nullsec manufacturing and market hub somewhere. Jita wasn't built in a day either.

And no, you can make loads of isk outside of HS. I haven't made any isk in HS in probably 2 years.

You rent from goons and make billions providing them with ammo as you make daily/weekly trips to highsec for supplies

There's such a thing as NPC station too ya know?

Eve has taught me that nullbears are endlessly hilarious.

My brain has taught me if you play a game but don't enjoy it you're the one at fault, and you're likely avoiding real life; that family you mention.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

OK - but what has Eve taught you?

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

Reasoning:

You build ships - the general rabble sell them in Jita or surrounding sales hubs so you have to sell them there as well.
You mine - and you need to sell the resulting mins - in a high sec trade hub
You make components/ammo etc - you have to sell them in high sec to make money.
Buying BPs and shipping them out to null is essential only to make supers.

Proof:

Let's paint the normal scenario of existing in Eve.
Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec.
You need the BP, mins and skills. Got the money to purchase said items? No - mine or mission or buy all required items by selling PLEX. OK - got the cash now buy the BPOs in null... no, low sec maybe ...no ...HIGH SEC!

The next step assumes you are crazy enough (or have the brosefs around) to get the BP from high-sec to null without gettting ganked. Let us also assume you have null sec space because you have either captured the space or have entered into an agreement that allows you to dock and use station slots.

Having succeed getting them into your space - the next step is to prepare the BP to be cost effective - that will require time and station/POS facilities,
So you get the mins in null (if you can mine them), build the ships in null -but can't get everything you want to fit in the ships in null so you got to go where they are being sold - high sec.
SO many stages that adds SO much risk and then you find that cost wise, they are cheaper in high sec. So you end up thinking ... why the hassle?


tl;dr Morale of the story is if you are a builder and you want to make real money, you HAVE to go to high sec to sell - you cannot sell it in substantial numbers in null hence you cannot make the money you need to make in null.


Q: Why do Vets leave Eve?
A: It becomes a job

Reasoning:

As most forum posts will point out - you need to be part of a group to do most things in Eve (to accomplish significant goals). That means that in the majority of cases those that wish to play solo will get bored more quickly and leave. If you want good fites you need to be part of a null sec alliance, being subject to the rules and conditions of the group.
This means your Eve time becomes a job - a place that requires your application and time, consuming more time as more requirements present themselves to be fulfilled. Then there is the need for self-sufficiency which necessitates a ratting grind or a trip to high sec to sell the stuff you have made in null (with all the risks included).

After 5 yrs of doing this you think - no more - I don't want a non-paying job or the hassle of defending a pixel landscape with a group of great like-minded people, or the grind for pixel money - my family deserve my full attention as they are not pixels...


tl;dr We already have a life and Eve only takes away from it (although it takes a few years to realise).
There is no way of playing a small game of Eve


People complain that skill = skill points
If a 6mth newb that has trained his rifter and associated skills to lvl5 - comes across a 6yr old vet that is in a rifter - that is a level playing field ship wise. If a 1v1 situation occurrs in that scenario, you are left with skill as the decider. The ONLY thing the vet has over the newb is lots more choice.

What has Eve taught you?

If you can't and you don't like the game, leave

...Except that in every instance that a newbie has shown all the qualities attributed to a good EVE player and an overall great person (Taking responsibility for their own actions, doing their research on what they're getting into, not being an obnoxious know-it-all) - They've always been treated well by the majority of the EVE population.

Perhaps the problem lies not with the "dinosaur" of a game or its "awful, sociopathic" playerbase then, but in the attitudes of those who believe that new player retention is an excuse for justifying that every new player should be mollycoddled "like VIPs".

Fit out a strategic cruiser and tell me where you end up getting all of it from - not WH or null although thats where you find the components.

So because the processed parts are sold in highsec..........which just means a JF hauled it from null/whatever means it doesnt come from w-space or null?

You are one hell of a troll.

"Prison system" implies that the culture around these parts is inherently negative - I have pointed out that the culture welcomes players who have a positive attitude towards learning and the failure that comes with it, players do not have the overweening sense of entitlement that many like yourself and others share.

...As compared to your own knee - jerk reaction to disparage the game and its players based off your own enlightened assumptions of botting, online numbers during an offpeak period, and blanket statements denigrating the EVE community as sociopaths with convict mentalities.

You've illustrated beautifully the point how more players does not equate to a better gaming experience.

So yes, attitude problems on your part, and those like yourself. The game - and its base community - are doing fine.

If your possessions will be of no further use to you, please consider contracting them to me.

Q: Why do Vets leave Eve?
A: It becomes a job
Vets do leave EvE, but this reason is mostly false. Think twice. Speak once. You will look less noobish.

I believe Eve needs an income tax, and all the isk goes to be for fair distribution to poor players.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

Lets say you are a builder of BS and Carriers and you want to sell them to fund your playing experience. You want to do this in null sec... The next step assumes you are crazy enough (or have the brosefs around) to get the BP from high-sec to null without gettting ganked.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

What has Eve taught you?
People complain

Thank you for your input - name is Klandi - Jesus is my alt :)

...My existence basically proves you wrong. Been here for 4 years. Find most players burden me down, and joining a group makes me as weak as the weakest member. I fly solo, exploring lowsec and nullsec, and doing 1v1 in FW. I get good fights whenever I feel like it, and fly pretty damn well. I'm constantly improving, and although my access to information isn't as good as a member of a PvP group, I'm still good enough to give good fights and do pretty damn well for a solo pilot.

You analysis is a little hyperbolic, but yeah, it is a major balance issue. The CSM is aware of it. CCP is aware of it. It's being discussed and worked on.

Please don't leave, because we need people to contribute to the discussion and players who will want to live in null when there's something to do other than smoosh red pluses.

You analysis is a little hyperbolic, but yeah, it is a major balance issue. The CSM is aware of it. CCP is aware of it. It's being discussed and worked on.

Please don't leave, because we need people to contribute to the discussion and players who will want to live in null when there's something to do other than smoosh red pluses.

Thank you for posting Malcanis, I will agree that my summation is overly simplistic but not so much of an exaggeration. I know that the CSM both now and previously have knowledge of this aspect of Eve and I cannot see how it can be overcome personally - but this road is not paved with quick fixes. The game will evolve as CCP wants it to and this may/may not be sorted.

What has Eve taught you?

Pray tell us pubbies how the Eve experience differs for you and how you make your money

Outside of highsec you lose exponentially more than you make, that is an iron rule of eve.

I don't know about him, but I work in RL. Doing a job I quite enjoy and use part of the money so I can enjoy the fun aspects of the game instead of just doing repetitive and menial tasks in game, just so I can do said repetitive and menial tasks for another month (which, to my surprise, seems to be quite a shocking thought for many people around here).

or to put it differently: If you can't afford to play the game, then ******* don't.

Use a carrier or one of the many other options to safely move your blueprints and other **** to nullsec. If you had even the slightest clue about how economics work, you would realize that there is far more demand for PvP ships in nullsec, and most of the nullbears don't exactly enjoy going 30+ jumps to jita. So you can charge a premium for the convenience of being able to get the ships in their home system. You are clueless. You fail at this game. If anything, there is not enough risk involved. Mine in nullsec. Produce t1 hulls that match your nullsec alliance's fleet doctrine. Purchase any t2 mods you can't produce yourself from jita, ship them to null. Salvage other people's sites, and buy some rig bpos to make rigs to complement the modules and t1 hulls you are providing. You can make a massive amount of profit doing this. Anyone who has half a clue about the market knows that jita is one of the worst places to try and pull a profit. Competition always drives the price down.

I have learned that many people when given freedom will impose their own restrictions upon themselves and demand the freedom of others taken away if it negatively impacts them.

I have highlited the part that is wrong. If you replace the word "month" with the words "year or two" that part of your statement becomes correct. However it might influence the validity of your overall argument some...

but judging by OPs whine, he just fell for the plex trap.

Assume - makes an ass out of you and me ...

The mountain of ISK I am currently sitting on (after spending the required amount on various BPOs) was made by making and selling BS and carriers. The time it took to accumulate that is what I am writing about.

No - stuff not transferable so don't ask.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec.

Q: Why are there so many more people in high sec vs Null or low
A: You can't make money anywhere except in high sec

So Doc - Eve has taught you to be a beggar?

Sry - which null sec station do you own that allows people to come to you and get your goods? You said it yourself, proving my point - you get the stuff in high-sec!!!
So If I want a ship and modules where do I go? Goonswarm territory where I can't dock - low sec where everyone is flashy red ... NO... HIGH- SEC!!!

Not trolling or have any issues in the esteem dept.

Enlighten me with your definition of fun - I am interested.

4yrs ago - when I was young in the game - building was fun for me. Missioning was fun. Then it started to become a grind.

Then I turned to PvP - and that was fun - then it started to become a grind.

So pray tell how a person who has done all the stuff that Eve has to offer, retains the fun

stuff...

That CAN'T be boring.

What you haven't said is how you fund your playing experience. When you lose a ship and/or need to sell off a shiney drop - where do you go?

So you have learnt how to fleece your alliance - your corp mates with over inflated t1 and t2 ship solely because you can. Wow

But you still haven't described what fun is for you - or how you make your money

There won't be real game improvement without new content.
By this i don't mean let's go pew in the next system.
Nope, content does not mean gate jump graphics. Or shiny animation for probes.
A old fresh painted thing remains a old thing.
We are aware of this.
You are aware of this.
CCP too.
And then what? I agree you guys from the CSM will discuss it with CCP. Then discuss it again. Then rediscuss. And so on. And? Something will happen? Nope. One can't steal my chicken and give it to the neighbour to force me to steal it back. Not forever. And no way i buy this as new content. And on this OP is right, sometimes this is enuf to make people leave.
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And now all will yell at me:
But, but...they gave us new moon goo. Nope, they did not. Not for real. They kinda divided the old. Get different names. And all eve did buy it. New goo? New goo should mean different final items.
Content? Content should mean amazing things. Not just the amazing way i did press for the 100k+1 time F1.
It's doable? Yes, for shure it is.
It's convenable? Well...this is pending.

Murk
Boring is not the issue. Repetition reduces the fun factor.
I have done (not with this char) all you have suggested. Protecting your POS in WH space is a challenge, in a small corp with limited tz coverage - but it starts to be a job when you get 3am CTAs because you will lose the POS and all your stuff, but definitely not boring.
But you still haven't described what fun is for you - or how you make your money

This thread made me realize how old the "then quit allready" and "can i haz your stuff" troll statements are getting.

Is this still even upsetting people anymore these days?

Real good advertising there. Just hunker down and turn the game into a dinosaur full of Bitter vets, right?

CCP marketing department will sure love all the new "whales" fleeing to the other F2P games that treat them as VIPs, too.

-_-

Games don't have to worry about the competition. They have to worry about the very population they attract and cater too, and in EvE, it's anarchy and sociopathy (fine combo for disintegration).

I'm not a "Bitter vet", Sevastian. I'm a gamer who plays many games gazing into the EvE culture and mechanics.

It's not the norm to say the least.

And the term "prison system" refers to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwfNs1pqG0

It's doesn't look pretty, because it isn't.

EvE is what it is, warts and all.

I make a heap load of isk in null. You're doing it wrong.

If it's not worth it, why do we have so many super caps and titans in EVE?

One question:

If it's not worth it, why do we have so many super caps and titans in EVE?

I dont know if a 5-year experience makes me a vet :) but ill throw my 2c

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Many people set building/flying a titan as their goal in Eve. The purpose of a goal is to reach it, attain the heights then feel proud of ones achievement. If you have built it yourself and defended the area during incubation - you feel VERY proud.
Also - blobbing with titans has far more epeen than blobbing with supers and some alliances like to show off their hardware.

Many reasons - but the path traveled is just the same. Lots of time spent (more that you originally intended) and lots of isk/money spent. Many believe it is worth it but few stay on after that as they see that the pinnacle of their gameplay.

Many people set building/flying a titan as their goal in Eve. The purpose of a goal is to reach it, attain the heights then feel proud of ones achievement. If you have built it yourself and defended the area during incubation - you feel VERY proud.
Also - blobbing with titans has far more epeen than blobbing with supers and some alliances like to show off their hardware.

Many reasons - but the path traveled is just the same. Lots of time spent (more that you originally intended) and lots of isk/money spent. Many believe it is worth it but few stay on after that as they see that the pinnacle of their gameplay.

Good to see that somebody recognizes the fact that this game punishes those who put in effort and take risks while rewarding the lazy, risk-averse types.

Good to see that somebody recognizes the fact that this game punishes those who put in effort and take risks while rewarding the lazy, risk-averse types.

For the majority of people (not everyone can do industry or trade because of the way those things work), highsec incursion running is far superior to 0.0 anomaly running. It's because CCP has nerfed nullsec into the ground because they can't stand the fact that nullseccers are creating content instead of contributing absolutely nothing to the game in highsec.

Love the entries people but I would really like this to remain on-track and that was as the title suggests - Eve has taught you something or many things - what is/are they?

yeah dk why dont all the players love to be scammed by the goons. I wonder how many people were discouraged to try nullsec after fallling for one of those rental scams of yours.

also, never saw a goon honoring a 1v1. To my experience, goons only pvp when they are 5v1. So they are REALLY fond of taking risks.

Yes blood - pls refer to post #90

Question is - what has living in WH space taught you?

For the majority of people (not everyone can do industry or trade because of the way those things work), highsec incursion running is far superior to 0.0 anomaly running. It's because CCP has nerfed nullsec into the ground because they can't stand the fact that nullseccers are creating content instead of contributing absolutely nothing to the game in highsec.

What has Eve taught you?

That a sandbox game combined with kids and uneducated people always sucks.
That EVE is less about a space simulator and more a game about politics and hatred. When I play a game I want a break from RL, but soo many people want to bring RL into EVE.. tired of all BS and politics in this game.

That a sandbox game combined with kids and uneducated people always sucks.
That EVE is less about a space simulator and more a game about politics and hatred. When I play a game I want a break from RL, but soo many people want to bring RL into EVE.. tired of all BS and politics in this game.

Interesting Theo

Taking on board everything you have said and not judging you or your interpretation of the game - I would like to say that people will always fit into the categories you describe. The chance of finding more of these type of people in WoW is higher - because more play it and the crowd is less mature than Eve. LoTRO is the same.

If this is a big issue for you - what solution do you see to improve the situation?

Murk - is there a lesson to be learnt from that? (see what I'm doing here - making you part of the solution instead of just reporting a problem)

FW has afforded me years of game time...