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Radix Salvilines
Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:52:00 -
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As everything seems to be going in the good direction I think there is one last thing CCP has to do to clean up the bad image it managed to develop recently.
REMOVE AURUM
This one is really bad. It is like a thorn in a finger. It does not allow me to get immersed in the world of EVE - I still get the feeling that all this show with "CCP starting to listen to players" is just a show to raise sub numbers. That it is not a "return to old values and visions" - it is all about profit again. Now I know that some may say that it's what the companies are about - making profit. I tend to disagree... or at least I think THIS company also has a vision, a goal. Or is "the need to profit" the only thing left really?
I joined up back in 2005 - there was a one comfortable subscription plan and the promise to always get all the features. One fee - access to everything on equal terms. I always happily payed this fee because CCP employes were doing a honest and good job of entertaining me. This concept became endangered when CCP came up with the idea of EVE Voice - something that was supposed to be a feature for which we would have to pay extra money. I watched carefuly and considered quitting but stayed when it was decided that it will get included into normal subscription plan.
Now came the AURUM. And it did what the EVE Voice almost did - destroyed the comfort of being in this elite club. We are no longer the PLAYERS - the other important side in the developement of the game - we became the COWS to be milked. I took part in the Jita uprising and then quit the game.
I am back now because of the recent..."show". I really want to play this game and pay a monthly sub until i get old and die. But the NEX store is still there. AURUM is still there. And it is pointing out its finger at me and laughing. At us...
Why microtransactions? Why P2W or P2P? These are not the attributes of a MMO whose player base is growing up!! It happens when the game is dying FFS... Do not tell us pretty stories about changing market, we are not stupid. Pretty stories lead to subscription numbers drops in EVE. Only intelligent people (okay lets say mostly) play EVE. We dont buy it. Your playerbase have more IQ than any other MMO - this is your advantage that will keep you going where others will collapse.
So please get rid of this AURUM crap. Change everything to ISK and focus on what you are best at... you guys at CCP. At your vision... and you will always have us players backing you up with all of our hearts... and subscriptions...
What say you? |
Blastier
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:53:00 -
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I just got a lot of free Aurum...so |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.10.21 21:54:00 -
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but i like my Oden occular implant. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:08:00 -
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Blastier wrote:I just got a lot of free Aurum...so It wasn't free. Players had to go out and earn good boy points.
Also, it wasn't even a reward. It was a scam to get people to buy more AUR.
Double scam!
Also, while I agree with the OP that it's tacky and a disgusting unnecessary addition to EVE, it could/should have been handled the same way the EVE Store is handled... discreetly. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:17:00 -
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I always respected CCP for being original and different. The sandbox of EVE is the coolest thing in online gaming imo. The moment AUR was introduced I lost almost all of that respect I had for CCP. AUR doesnt belong in the sandbox and it definitely doesnt belong in a subscription based game.
Now, Hilmar has said that this is the direction the industry is going into and that CCP must keep up which is why AUR and MT is so important. Maybe he really does believe that and it's not just an excuse, but CCP used to be original and they used to be different. They should be that way right now and get AURUM the h*** out of EVE as soon as possible. This is their last chance. It's not too late just yet.
I dont know about everyone else but ever since this MT business started I havent looked forward to the next alliance tournament or the next fanfest. I'm no longer proud to be an EVE player instead of being the player of just another MMO because EVE is not that different anymore. Kind of like noticing someone original and deep has suddenly become just another boring a**hole. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:17:00 -
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Isn't Aurum going to be used when Dust comes in, as in the thing we pay the Dust soldiers to do things for us? |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:23:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Isn't Aurum going to be used when Dust comes in, as in the thing we pay the Dust soldiers to do things for us? gawd I hope not. We'll have to pay our own subs and their subs too? |
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:28:00 -
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Why ohhh why. Trolls in the EvE-O-Forum.
Just to stick something in your big, ugly, slimy nose:
JUST NO!
If you don't like it just don't use it.
Nuff said. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:36:00 -
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Thebriwan wrote:Why ohhh why. Trolls in the EvE-O-Forum.
Just to stick something in your big, ugly, slimy nose:
JUST NO!
If you don't like it just don't use it.
Nuff said.
If there was a demon perched above my bed I would most definitely want to get rid of it instead of just ignoring it. And by this I mean, when something really sucks, it's much better to remove it than just let hang around and pretend it's not there.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.21 22:40:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Thebriwan wrote:Why ohhh why. Trolls in the EvE-O-Forum.
Just to stick something in your big, ugly, slimy nose:
JUST NO!
If you don't like it just don't use it.
Nuff said. If there was a demon perched above my bed I would most definitely want to get rid of it instead of just ignoring it. And by this I mean, when something really sucks, it's much better to remove it than just let hang around and pretend it's not there. Aurum. Demons... Guffaw.
Think you guys need to relax a little. You're chasing shadows. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:27:00 -
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Stop making these threads
You won't convince a company that fired twenty percent of their staff to make less money |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:41:00 -
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Since the price of... well... everything is going up, and since CCP will need to earn more income at "some" point (evidently now) we'll all be sure to thank you when necessity forces CCP to raise all of our subscription prices instead. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:42:00 -
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If NO one uses AURUM, then who cares if it is in the game.
If however you want Nex items in exchange for killing rats, you can get them, convert PLEX.
What's the issue?
Honestly it is better to leave AURUM in the game, there is a much higher chance for it to be ignored this way. Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:52:00 -
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Forget Aur, who cares it affects nothing.
Remove PLEX, PLEX is Pay 2 Win |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:54:00 -
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But I like my shirt, and goggles but thats on a different jump clone.
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.22 00:16:00 -
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The Aurum actually is a great way to allow people who don't like MTs to access content sold via MT
on that basis I very much like the Aurum
as for MTs I do believe they are necessary for the company to begin to understand well and only by experimentation will they get good at it.
What they really need though is to rid their corporate culture from what I see as an ingrained all or nothing tendancy. Certainly they make compromises yet so often even the compromises seem to be contrived to give extremists sacred cows, rathter than the extremists trying to dream themselves of smooth ways to get the general nature of what they're hoping for.
MTs are not something they need to FLEECE out of customers. To get ONE customer to do something , you don't need to push all customers that way. New features don't need all players interested in them.
They should start by seeing how much they can sell that will have no effect whatsoever on the average person's game and resist the urge that they had to make the MT things useful.
Once they've got in the habit of selling useless things for money.. they might put a step towards paying to make it easier to get what other players earn through game play. If they're sell a right to double your next so many points earned, not sell the points directly. etc. I thought the selling of remaps was a fine prospect that could have been made far more agreeable to other players if it was limmited to once a year... |
Audrey Antollare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:34:00 -
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I like Aurum, I don't want it removed. You can buy most microtransaction items for isk anyway and it has zero effect on gameplay. |
Dong Yi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:37:00 -
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I don't see how the addition of aurum affects you in any way. CCP has stated that they will not sell gameplay changing items through the store. If you want to spend money on ship paint or a new set of clothes, I think that's perfectly fine.
The entire MMO industry is moving towards this kind of business model and there's no reason CCP shouldn't at least get its feet wet. |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 07:47:00 -
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Dong Yi wrote:I don't see how the addition of aurum affects you in any way. CCP has stated that they will not sell gameplay changing items through the store. If you want to spend money on ship paint or a new set of clothes, I think that's perfectly fine.
we must remember, ccp said a bit more than a year ago, that they would never implement microtransactions, so take everything ccp says with 2.5 grains of salt |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:07:00 -
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OMG....ISK....PLEX.....Aurum....NEX Store.....BFD
In other words......
Please, for the love of everything that's unholy.......quit beating this up and give it a rest.
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Echo Falls
Adherents of the Repeated Meme
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:09:00 -
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.. but I like my new knee high leather boots .. Don't take them away .. *sob*
Oh .. and page 2 ninja! |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:18:00 -
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The company is about whatever its owners decide it should be about.
If you want to change company goals, addressing management or devs is pretty pointless as they don't set these goals - at best they advise the company's owners on them.
Hilmar does probably own 2.5-2.8% of CCP - even if he would agree completely with you there are still another 97% of shareholders that have to convinced.
This includes a 30% stake that is effectively controlled by a consortium of banks, a 24% stake controlled by a US venture capital firm [1], and various smaller investors/funds with no direct ties to CCP - current & former CCP employees/founders/management/board members own about 25% of CCP as far as we can tell (with roughly 10% of the total shares unaccounted for as they are spread too thinly).
Get real.
[1] http://www.generalcatalyst.com/companies |
Radix Salvilines
Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:31:00 -
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What about when Incarna gets here.... We will be able to walk on stations, ships.... and items for AUR will become a necessity.
And then the divide between Incarna and Spaceships will start to get thinner and thinner... like a virtual reality. As AURUM will be well rooted already it will be necesary to buy it for RL money.
You guys seem to be comfortable with the thought that there will always be Spaceships gameplay and Incarna gameplay. Think again... This is their vision to have everything integrated and it will get there sooner or later. They did it to fast and got burned now but CCP will continue on this path.
Either we say remove AURUM now or we will loose EVE as we love it. CCP does not care about it anymore (or more true - their owners) - only we do. We now know we have the power to influence the Goliat. Lets not stop now. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 08:34:00 -
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Radix Salvilines wrote:What about when Incarna gets here.... We will be able to walk on stations, ships.... and items for AUR will become a necessity.
And then the divide between Incarna and Spaceships will start to get thinner and thinner... like a virtual reality. As AURUM will be well rooted already it will be necesary to buy it for RL money.
You guys seem to be comfortable with the thought that there will always be Spaceships gameplay and Incarna gameplay. Think again... This is their vision to have everything integrated and it will get there sooner or later. They did it to fast and got burned now but CCP will continue on this path.
Either we say remove AURUM now or we will loose EVE as we love it. CCP does not care about it anymore - only we do. We now know we have the power to influence the Goliat. Lets not stop now. Funny how quickly people forget how close we came to having the Ishukone Scorpian in the NEX store ... you know, just to try it out. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |
Kietay Ayari
Dangerously Inebriated Enterprises Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.10.22 09:09:00 -
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Okay! So I am obviously new but this seems -ridiculous- to me! Are you people unaware that you can buy PLEX for ISK, and then turn that PLEX into AUR?
Now that you are aware of that the only thing you can possibly complain about is price... but that is hardly a valid complaint I think! I mean I already do not understand what is wrong with non gameplay micro transactions but this especially! You can buy all of these things with ISK o_O what else do you want?
I would say there is a possibility of being wrong about buying AUR with ISK... but there isn't! Because I've done it! >_>
Ferox rules! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:20:00 -
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Post on Failheap-Challenge wrote:So let me get this straight. PLEX, which I remember being introduced as a means to combat RMT in EVE, are now an early example of the Micro-Transactions in EVE. And because players are willing to spend $104.97 on a PLEX, they clearly have no problem paying a lot for their hobby, and therefore, on a pair of useless pants or a monocle from the NEx shop.
And then, because CCP needed 'experience' with MT for Dust fast, they just threw those MT in EVE for Incarna and chased away somewhere around a quarter of their paying customers. But not to worry, that didn't scare them off one bit. They're still happily planning further waves of retardedness.
Soon you'll be able to get your own, paid-for-cash, sparkle pony ship, and show to the remainder of the players of EVE that it really doesn't matter how good you are in EVE, as long as you are willing to spend lots and lots of cash on your 'hobby'. Clearly, as far as CCP goes, this is all perfectly fine. Especially because by the time this hits the playerbase, CCP will have the 'organisational readiness' to deal with all the fallout. No more messy scrambling of 'resources' needed. Lessons learned guys! Really! Guys? Guise?
Seriously though, can someone explain to me where CCP got these morons? I mean, this is so far into moron-county, loads of street ladies doing unmentionables (edited) are now looking a bit mundane with levels of retardedness this high ... This sums up the NEX store and the thinking that goes along with it beautifully. Hopefully the person who posted it there on failheap isn't annoyed with me for a) not listing their name and/or b) for me posting it here.
It's nice to see someone who actually gets it, rather than the guinea pigs going meep, meep, microtransactions are good. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
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