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dabster
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Posted - 2005.11.07 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 07/11/2005 15:42:40
 Originally by: Aelius
BTW what "4S" stands for?
It translates to "Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava", which back to english means "only unity can save the serbs". It is a very old national slogan that through history has been used by 'bad' people, aswell as pretty much every Serb alive.
Edit; if i recall correctly it is also a part of the national symbol being used by, yes, every serb alive with a sense of nationality.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2005.11.07 15:44:00 -
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Be obscene, vulgar, sexually explicit, offensive, hurtful, harmful, promote drugs, profane, anti-***, and ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or impart any real-world hostility toward a specific nationality, race or religion.
Good that I have a typo in my name, so otherwise someone might try to petition me because I glorify the use of plutonium in bombs or whatever 
I hope that they decide with some common sense. If someone petitions a name that exists for a really long time then they should provide a real reason why that name is offensive. Not just because e.g. SAS is the abbreviation of some special forces in RL too. If someone thinks that the 3 letter SAS are offensive because of that and petitions it, he should visit his doctor. 
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.11.07 15:49:00 -
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As someone else said
CCP should be considering name changes only based on the GENERAL player base opinion of the name, not one small groups interpretation.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
Good that I have a typo in my name, so otherwise someone might try to petition me because I glorify the use of plutonium in bombs or whatever
SHHHCHHH, be quiet! You are drawing attentions to my sig
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:00:00 -
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I am just wondering. To me SAS is a scandinavian airline. How can an internationak corporation with flights to all over the world find the name SAS acceptable , but in a game of military might it is too offensive?
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Regarding the name changes, this has got nothing to do with "political correctness", this is simply a breach of our very old name policy which hasn't changed in years.
I realy must ask u in what way "4S Corp" is a breach as it can stand for just about a milion things, the same as if i would name a corp "5F Corp".
It's a serious question that have been bothering me all day as it's as neutral as can be imo.
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Everbane
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Originally by: Plutoinum
Good that I have a typo in my name, so otherwise someone might try to petition me because I glorify the use of plutonium in bombs or whatever
SHHHCHHH, be quiet! You are drawing attentions to my sig
It's clear to me you have an illegal drugs lab depicted in that sig - it's banzor time for you sonny!
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:15:00 -
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Its pathetic that long standing corps are losing their names because of an obvious ingame issue. If your going to rename corps I demand its logically followed through or else your showing blatant bias agaisnt these corps.
Start of with band of brothers please (purely because they are big). You dont have the guts do you even tho its equally valid. Give them their damn names back and stop being lame.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:22:00 -
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SS stands for Schutzstaffel (SS). The SS was ******s personal bodyguards. Like all other ****-organisations at that time they comitted war crimes around europe.
Im sure most things are a synonym for something really. But now ill write a petition for the name "Band of Brothers (BoB".
"We brake for nobody"
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Rekh Wuthrich
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:27:00 -
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Two words regarding the name change situation:
"Slippery slope."
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
SS stands for Schutzstaffel (SS). The SS was ******s personal bodyguards. Like all other ****-organisations at that time they comitted war crimes around europe.
Im sure most things are a synonym for something really. But now ill write a petition for the name "Band of Brothers (BoB".
You are really really really really pathetic. You see a bad call from the GMs, so you decide to "exploit" the situation in order to annoy us.
Pfff.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 07/11/2005 16:41:53
BoB? SAS? 4S? can you enlighten me why these names need changing?! 
"CU" means "see you" in english and you don't see me petitioning people for saying that. ("CU" means "ass" in my native language sounds like "KU")
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:47:00 -
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True Band of Brothers is RL example.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185906/
http://www.historychannel.com/bandofbrothers/
Lol nerfbat hehehe  
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 07/11/2005 11:09:02
Originally by: Nyphur
EDIT: In fact, there it is right there in black and white on the Naming policy page:
"# b. Character names may not:
* Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups."
Unless they were called the "Interstellar Starbase Syndicate", there's no problem. As I'm aware, SAS didn't bother making up an alias for their acronym. They weren't changed for similarity to a real-life military group but for being exactly equal to a real life military group.
Simple breach of naming policy. It's entirely plausible that they just never heard of the corps until recently. The GMs cant be everywhere at once.
ISS was a political group spreading socialism throughout educational establisments throughout the early 1900's.
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Tamrack
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:51:00 -
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I did not know that an Individual Retirement Arrangement could be offensive.
http://www.ricedelman.com/planning/retirement/ira.asp
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Unless they were called the "Interstellar Starbase Syndicate", there's no problem. As I'm aware, SAS didn't bother making up an alias for their acronym. They weren't changed for similarity to a real-life military group but for being exactly equal to a real life military group.
But isn't that making an assumption as to what the acronym (assuming it is one) stands for?
Besides, if I started a corp called "Kool Killer Katz" and made the ticker "***" I bet it would still be removed if petitioned. How can you be so sure that ISS would be treated any differently?
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:05:00 -
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Guess it's time to corpname/google surfing.
GMs get ready for an azzload of petitions
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:13:00 -
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lol, it is a slippery slope. if corpnames are checked and refused on creation (ala dictonary check etc..)its one thing but if 2+ year old corp names are getting changed due to someone wanting revenge and playing the books then it opens up abuse. Why not give the corp an opportunity to change the name to something other that EvE corp XXXXXX.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:31:00 -
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I hereby demand that the C4 alliance has its name changed to the Happy Muffin Alliance becuase c4 is an evil explosive used to destroy little timmys house and happy muffins are nice.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
I have already said everything I have to say on the Raffle in another post that was locked on this topic.
Regarding the name changes, this has got nothing to do with "political correctness", this is simply a breach of our very old name policy which hasn't changed in years.
yes but these corps have had thier names for "years". If you want to pay more attention to this old policy then give these guys a legacy pass.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Count TaSessine
Originally by: Avon
ISS was a political group spreading socialism throughout educational establisments throughout the early 1900's.
lol - where did you dig that up? How about 'Interstellar Starbase Syndicate'? I dare you to find a realworld look-a-like to that 
From the naming rules:
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Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups.
Syndicate is a term used to refer to the Mob by some groups. Al Capone particularly liked it. Therefore you are directly referencing criminal organizations with your name.
Rediculous? Yes.
Any different than 4S or SAS? Nope.
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:12:00 -
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I know there are going to be players that disagree with my reply to this thread. As much as I try, I know I cannot make 100% of the community happy. Having said that...
CCP's character and corporation naming policies have been in effect for many years, the EULA and Terms of Service are one of the first documents laid down by any gaming company. These documents are designed with the protection of both, the company and the player base in mind.
All intentions and interpretations can be misconstrued or abused. The naming policies and decisions made over the last few days are being discussed internally and a decision will be reached. Will this discussion result in a change to the naming policy? That is one possibility. It might also result in a name change for many corporations out there. Be careful with what you wish for. The outcome may be entirely different than the wish.
In the interim, there are some corporations petitioning other corporations with names that have real life counterparts or connotations. It could be said that these corporations are griefing other corporations in an attempt to make their point. This MUST cease.
Yes, I use griefing purposefully. Abusing the support system to make a point and cause hardship for other players is griefing and another violation of the EULA.
As I stated, the topic is being discussed internally and a decision will be reached.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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dealsrus
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
I know there are going to be players that disagree with my reply to this thread. As much as I try, I know I cannot make 100% of the community happy. Having said that...
CCP's character and corporation naming policies have been in effect for many years, the EULA and Terms of Service are one of the first documents laid down by any gaming company. These documents are designed with the protection of both, the company and the player base in mind.
All intentions and interpretations can be misconstrued or abused. The naming policies and decisions made over the last few days are being discussed internally and a decision will be reached. Will this discussion result in a change to the naming policy? That is one possibility. It might also result in a name change for many corporations out there. Be careful with what you wish for. The outcome may be entirely different than the wish.
In the interim, there are some corporations petitioning other corporations with names that have real life counterparts or connotations. It could be said that these corporations are griefing other corporations in an attempt to make their point. This MUST cease.
Yes, I use griefing purposefully. Abusing the support system to make a point and cause hardship for other players is griefing and another violation of the EULA.
As I stated, the topic is being discussed internally and a decision will be reached.
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 07/11/2005 18:24:43
The real world unit name of the Band of Brothers (which is the name of a book, not a regiment/division/unit) is the 506th of the 101st Airborne. Band of Brothers isnt the name of the unit, while SAS, is the 22nd Special Air Service regiment, which is something else entirely.
Naming violations is all good, but if one name is changed, then all the other name have to be changed accordingly. ie. the character Himmler. I personally dont see why 4S would be changed, and not Himmler. Because Himmler is a known figurehead, while I suppose 4S is a little more "unknown".
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: dealsrus
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
Because some GM was suckin the ****pipe while the heads at CCP had no control over him. They cannot monitor their GMs 24/7 but shall still revert wrong descisions and look into the case such that similar bad things do not happen again.
That is what they're doing now.
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: dealsrus
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
The GMs and CCP staff deal with issues like this when a petition is submitted, an e-mail sent to the Devs, or they notice it in-game. We're not omnipotent and cannot catch everything immediately.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: dealsrus
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
The GMs and CCP staff deal with issues like this when a petition is submitted, an e-mail sent to the Devs, or they notice it in-game. We're not omnipotent and cannot catch everything immediately.
This is pathetic, the GMs are pathetic.
You're going to get a massive flood of petitions now stating how either one of the ingame NPC corps, ingame ships or something similar, player name or corporation violates some form of copyright.
You've dug your own grave, enjoy.
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 07/11/2005 18:36:26
Edited by: Kyguard on 07/11/2005 18:35:55
All latin derived corp names should be changed because this is not a latin game, the latin language is no longer in use, therefore their current use in this game insults a once great language.
If people wish to honour Latin, it must be done in temples and religious buildings.
GMs, Devs, you're under a lot of fire these days, it's time you got your act together, before you really lose it.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: dealsrus
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
The GMs and CCP staff deal with issues like this when a petition is submitted, an e-mail sent to the Devs, or they notice it in-game. We're not omnipotent and cannot catch everything immediately.
kieron, here is a question: was there ANY attempt made on CCP's part to contact the corp(s) in question and ask them what THEY thought thier 'offensive' name meant?
SAS = Special Attack Services?
4S Corp = We are happy elves who dance under the moonlight?
Am I going to wake up one morning and discover that over two years of my own gaming efforts in making BDCI a known commodity is all wasted when my corp is renamed "Minmatar Corp 45921"? Will all of my videos featuring the name be banned at that point as well? 
I'm not trying to be difficult. These are VERY REAL concerns that I'm sure a lot of players share.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:37:00 -
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ISS is probably one of the easiest corp tickers to petition and change, actually. It has very strong political ties in multiple areas, the biggest being the Isreali Secret Service, which has a very strong history with global terrorism, and most notably, Al Queda and ***** Bin Laden.
So yes, be very careful what you wish for.
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