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Kyguard
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Top Hat
Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different.
Definitely. They have a job and if they screw up, it's their fault, not ours for complaining and pointing out their mistakes.
Here's a life lesson, you can only poke the bear so much before it starts running after you. 
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:15:00 -
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Isnt there a corp or alliance called
THE BIG BLUE -- somehow reminds me of a corp in RL .
CCP - stop that (name)despotism now, even if you re technically entitled to it it does not become you !
Thanks,
Ram
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:19:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Top Hat
Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different.
Most GMs are volunteers.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Da Ram
Isnt there a corp or alliance called
THE BIG BLUE -- somehow reminds me of a corp in RL .
CCP - stop that (name)despotism now, even if you re technically entitled to it it does not become you !
Thanks,
Ram
Funny, I thought it had something to do with Kentucky basketball...
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Bozl1n
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: dimensionZ
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
SS stands for Schutzstaffel (SS). The SS was ******s personal bodyguards. Like all other ****-organisations at that time they comitted war crimes around europe.
Im sure most things are a synonym for something really. But now ill write a petition for the name "Band of Brothers (BoB".
You are really really really really pathetic. You see a bad call from the GMs, so you decide to "exploit" the situation in order to annoy us.
Pfff.
I think hes taking the pish actully.....
BUT whats good for the goose is good for the gander, regardless of if the whole thing is retarded in the first place.
In the words of an old faverorite of mine, "political correctness gone mad, GONE MAD"
2 good connections made are zeolot and concorde tho, 1 clearly has religious origins, the other a blatant trademar, both of which are fine
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:35:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Top Hat
Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different.
Most GMs are volunteers.
You couldnt be more wrong
The GM Staff is all hired from a "third" party.
Volunteers go into the ISD team.
GMs are professionals - as in paid for their profession.
thanks - ah and my point remains--Introducing The BIG BLUE as well as having "ISS" is as well against the EULA.
Ram
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Top Hat
Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different.
Most GMs are volunteers.
Hill, what are you smoking?
ISD, Aurora event staff and forum mods are all community volunteers (who get free game accounts).
GMs are people in Iceland who are paid to be CCP's customer service representatives in game and out. None of them are volunteers, their jobs are to be GMs.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:42:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/11/2005 00:45:07
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 08/11/2005 00:36:35
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Top Hat
Moderated. As I stated before, the GMs do a thankless task with the direction they have been given. GM bashing will not be tolerated. -kieron
Why should th GM's be thanked? It's their job and they are getting paid, volenteers would be different.
Most GMs are volunteers.
Hill, what are you smoking?
ISD, Aurora event staff and forum mods are all community volunteers (who get free game accounts).
GMs are people in Iceland who are paid to be CCP's customer service representatives in game and out. They don't technically work for CCP, but for someone CCP contracts out to. None of them are volunteers, their jobs are to be GMs.
I was under the impression that most of the "GM" labeled people we deal with in game (that move stuck people and filter petitions) are in the "support team and resources" (STAR) section of ISD and that the "senior GMs" are all paid. Seems to be kind of mean to group the former with management and the latter.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:56:00 -
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Senior GMs are just GMs that are tasked with more work, harder cases and are paid more.
The people who deal with petitions in game are supposed to be all paid professionals (otherwise there would almost certainly be severe liability problems). I think that event staff are only given in game powers in order to run their events or assist GM/Dev run events.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.11.08 01:10:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Baun
Senior GMs are just GMs that are tasked with more work, harder cases and are paid more.
The people who deal with petitions in game are supposed to be all paid professionals (otherwise there would almost certainly be severe liability problems). I think that event staff are only given in game powers in order to run their events or assist GM/Dev run events.
I was working with the line here out of the FAQ:
Though volunteer powers are extremely limited, they can perform simple tasks such as answering some low-level petitions, moving characters that are stuck (under certain circumstances) and providing information about current conditions in the game that may affect mobility or connectivity.
This of course explains why stuck petitions are answered VERY quickly and other petitions can take weeks sometimes. When people say "OMG GMs suck!" they mean the higher ups, but it can easily be construed to everyone that answers petitions... Thats where I thought Kieron's post came from.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.08 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Baun
Senior GMs are just GMs that are tasked with more work, harder cases and are paid more.
The people who deal with petitions in game are supposed to be all paid professionals (otherwise there would almost certainly be severe liability problems). I think that event staff are only given in game powers in order to run their events or assist GM/Dev run events.
I was working with the line here out of the FAQ:
Though volunteer powers are extremely limited, they can perform simple tasks such as answering some low-level petitions, moving characters that are stuck (under certain circumstances) and providing information about current conditions in the game that may affect mobility or connectivity.
This of course explains why stuck petitions are answered VERY quickly and other petitions can take weeks sometimes. When people say "OMG GMs suck!" they mean the higher ups, but it can easily be construed to everyone that answers petitions... Thats where I thought Kieron's post came from.
That might be true, but I think the reason stuck petitions are answered so quickly is that its a simple issue to resolve, and simple for the GMs to confirm that there is an issue warranting a character move.
As far as what Kieron said ... I don't think he was trying to protect ISD volunteers, given that they would have had nothing to do with changing corp names.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.08 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Baun
This of course explains why stuck petitions are answered VERY quickly and other petitions can take weeks sometimes. When people say "OMG GMs suck!" they mean the higher ups, but it can easily be construed to everyone that answers petitions... Thats where I thought Kieron's post came from.
Stuck petitions etc are answered and fixed quickly because there is (quite correctly) a higher priority attached to them.
Anyway - on topic.
It's nice to see something like this discussed in the community. Why were so many threads (on the same topic) prior to this particular one locked? I'd hate to discuss moderation but it's a tad inconsistent
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.11.08 02:49:00 -
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This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:20:00 -
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:44:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Baun on 08/11/2005 03:44:21
Edited by: Baun on 08/11/2005 03:43:49
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Baun
This of course explains why stuck petitions are answered VERY quickly and other petitions can take weeks sometimes. When people say "OMG GMs suck!" they mean the higher ups, but it can easily be construed to everyone that answers petitions... Thats where I thought Kieron's post came from.
Stuck petitions etc are answered and fixed quickly because there is (quite correctly) a higher priority attached to them.
Anyway - on topic.
It's nice to see something like this discussed in the community. Why were so many threads (on the same topic) prior to this particular one locked? I'd hate to discuss moderation but it's a tad inconsistent
hate to be nit picky but can you fix your quotes so it doenst look like you are quoting something I said ;p
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Bosie
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:51:00 -
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Whoops...
Bosie.
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BillyBong2
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Posted - 2005.11.08 04:07:00 -
[167]
Originally by: slip66
This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
Couldn't have said that better myself.
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t3mpus II
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:12:00 -
[168]
Originally by: slip66
This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
Majority can not be excuse to break laws. Some things are not subject to voting.
We can't vote to kill someone.
But clearly this is not the case, since those names don't break any obvious rule.
Those were not small corps that noone has heard of but high profile corps that I am 100% sure most devs and senior gms have heard their name in these 2.5 years. If they didn't think by themselves that there was a problem with these names, a petition should not have changed their opinion.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: BillyBong2
Originally by: slip66
This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
Couldn't have said that better myself.
Yeah, doesnt really make sense in a military warfare based game to ban names of military units. Having one person complain and able to change the name of a corp or alliance which has been ingame for 2 1/2 years is a tad silly.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:16:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: BillyBong2
Originally by: slip66
This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
Couldn't have said that better myself.
Yeah, doesnt really make sense in a military warfare based game to ban names of military units. Having one person complain and able to change the name of a corp or alliance which has been ingame for 2 1/2 years is a tad silly.
More than just a tad silly.
Its unprofesional to say the least and should have been obvious to the GM who was changing the name it would cause HUGE amounts of strife within the community, which it has.
This has shocked the communities trust with CCP for the moment, lets hope its restored post-haste.
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Aquiesse Erus
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: BillyBong2
Originally by: slip66
This is total insanity where one persons personal opinion on a corp or allaince name could effect thousands...
Once again the minority rules the majority. Lame.
Couldn't have said that better myself.
Yeah, doesnt really make sense in a military warfare based game to ban names of military units. Having one person complain and able to change the name of a corp or alliance which has been ingame for 2 1/2 years is a tad silly.
More than just a tad silly.
Its unprofesional to say the least and should have been obvious to the GM who was changing the name it would cause HUGE amounts of strife within the community, which it has.
This has shocked the communities trust with CCP for the moment, lets hope its restored post-haste.
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Eiger
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:31:00 -
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If they start killing corp name tickers why not do the same on player names ? Or even to all corp that have a relation (by name only) to military organization of the past.
Just do a search for Characters and Corp with:
"SS 1"
"SS 2"
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"SS A"
"SS B"
"SS C"
Result will give aprox 20 names or more. Why they are allowed judging on the same principle that made SAS corp ticker removed ?
I dont have absolutly nothing with or agains ppl that have "SS" in the fron but if SAS or 4S is removed then SS which is a known **** "organization" should have been banned 1st !
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.08 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aquiesse Erus
Then why werent the names picked up before? How come alliances such as Band Of Brothers which refers to a world war 2 unit has not been changed?
First of all, the Band of Brothers was not a military group, it was a name a select unit had during World War Two. Second, there are hundreds, possibly THOUSANDS of such nicknames used by units in the military. Regardless, none of them are military organizations, therefore they are not breaking the EULA.
Now you might beable to argue against using a name like Leathernecks, but even then, that's just a nickname for a member of a military unit (USMC).
Nothing personal, just wanted to give you a reason why Band of Brothers is a legit name in EVE.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2005.11.08 09:49:00 -
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Hmmmmmmm Lots said on both sides of the argument.
This thread doesn't appear to be constructive any more IMHO 
Play the game and stop picking holes. We've had our say and points have been well made on both sides but the botom line lies with CCP.
Let wait & see what CCP and the GM's come up with, eh? 
Uber Mining lvl5 in Training
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:32:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 07/11/2005 18:37:29
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: dealsrus
this is all well and good but it doesnt explain why it has taken 2 years or more to decide that a corps name is offensive does it?
The GMs and CCP staff deal with issues like this when a petition is submitted, an e-mail sent to the Devs, or they notice it in-game. We're not omnipotent and cannot catch everything immediately.
kieron, here is a question: was there ANY attempt made on CCP's part to contact the corp(s) in question and ask them what THEY thought thier 'offensive' name meant?
SAS = Special Attack Services?
4S Corp = We are happy elves who dance under the moonlight?
Am I going to wake up one morning and discover that over two years of my own gaming efforts in making BDCI a known commodity is all wasted when my corp is renamed "Minmatar Corp 45921" due to some petion about God only knows what? Will all of my videos featuring the name be banned at that point as well? 
I'm not trying to be difficult. These are VERY REAL concerns that I'm sure a lot of players share.
Hmz i might petition you coz BodyCount is a band wich made a song called Copkillers i believe and i might do that IRL coz i keep gettin reminded about killin a cop by lookin at yer corpname . 
Devs been to holland lately before they wacked those corpnames ?
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