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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
357
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Posted - 2013.06.11 05:57:00 -
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I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
360
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:29:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out.
Have you seen the market prices for those caracals?
They're costing you more than drakes. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:41:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes.
At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue.
Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3642
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:44:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Some people have to worry about reimbursing all their losses, from Apocalyse Navy Issue down to Blackbird. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3642
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:45:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. The markets are just being slammed hard because it can't keep up. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.06.11 06:55:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Some people have to worry about reimbursing all their losses, from Apocalyse Navy Issue down to Blackbird.
I don't even know what a navy apoc is but I know I pointed several last night in ZUE- and sent their pods home.
I thought blackbirds were **** and ewar got nerfed a while back? I really know nothing about this game but I do know that on third or fourth attempt to play eve, my first 'big' buy was a caracal and I'll forever associate caracals with cheap hi-sec mission running and suicidal ideation. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3642
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:07:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Some people have to worry about reimbursing all their losses, from Apocalyse Navy Issue down to Blackbird. I don't even know what a navy apoc is but I know I pointed several last night in ZUE- and sent their pods home. I thought blackbirds were **** and ewar got nerfed a while back? I really know nothing about this game but I do know that on third or fourth attempt to play eve, my first 'big' buy was a caracal and I'll forever associate caracals with cheap hi-sec mission running and suicidal ideation. They were nerfed somewhat, yes (the whole sensor compensation skills that you probably trained to IV when they came out). That's why we shifted our ECM from jammers to dampeners/disruptors.
But TEST likes using old doctrines I guess? I don't know, we blew up an ECM fleet today and I got a Scorpion kill. Unlike our old alphafleet scorpions though, it was mostly ECM and armor tanked. Which is sort of amusing since it was in a fleet with (expendible) blackbirds and griffons and whatnot, a bit expensive to be thrown away. Oh well. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Roderick Grey
Broski North Black Legion.
360
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Posted - 2013.06.11 07:53:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing.
Caracals are a viable doctrine so I don't understand why you think it's humorous. GÇ£We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.GÇ¥- Special needs division of Fcon. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
360
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:03:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. Caracals are a viable doctrine so I don't understand why you think it's humorous.
I have memories of what they used to be like, and how they were never mentioned in polite company. I'm not used to the buffs they received and I don't think I ever will. The idea of people pointing at caracal losses as some kind of metric by which to measure success in a war is very hilarious to me. They're also cheaply fit cruisers you can shove a relative newbie into, and I've witnessed caracalfleet do significant damage to much more expensive doctrines, and that is again very funny to me. |

Callduron
372
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:09:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes.
Was it you who relisted them while they were being murdered? Someone bought them out in B-D and relisted for triple we heard during the fight. |
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:11:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. Caracals are a viable doctrine so I don't understand why you think it's humorous.
in delve, on the first night of our deployment we took on and won against a larger oracle fleet and two talwar fleets in ham caracals with only minor losses. The skills of Mr vee played a large part but it's a highly effective doctrine. |

Callduron
372
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:11:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. Caracals are a viable doctrine so I don't understand why you think it's humorous.
CFC dudes rate ships by their ability to rat.
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Callduron
372
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:25:00 -
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Oops just got dunked.
DBRB's TFIs vs a SCRAP/TEST fleet of Ahacs.
Well played Boat, almost got your pod ;) |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3645
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Posted - 2013.06.11 10:45:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I'm honestly amazed we have a Caracal doctrine, and that anyone would be dumb enough to mock Caracal losses. There are so many amazing things about this whole discussion. Duh, Caracals are going to die, but I mean isk for isk you guys are the ones who are going to lose out. Have you seen the market prices for those caracals? They're costing you more than drakes. At some point drakes became bad and devalued hard. I don't find that surprising at all. That doesn't mean Caracals are like, super valuable things we must protect at all costs, every loss of which Goonswarm will come to rue. Nothing you can say will make it any less hilarious that a sov holding nullsec alliance is running around in caracals. Nothing. Caracals are a viable doctrine so I don't understand why you think it's humorous. in delve, on the first night of our deployment we took on and won against a larger oracle fleet and two talwar fleets in ham caracals with only minor losses. The skills of Mr vee played a large part but it's a highly effective doctrine. The CFC: bad at EVE. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:49:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Oops just got dunked.
DBRB's TFIs vs a SCRAP/TEST fleet of Ahacs.
Well played Boat, almost got your pod ;)
Hey, tell us about welping a Navy Apoc fleet on the B-D undock with no logistics support. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3655
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Posted - 2013.06.11 20:51:00 -
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Treyan Argund wrote:Callduron wrote:Oops just got dunked.
DBRB's TFIs vs a SCRAP/TEST fleet of Ahacs.
Well played Boat, almost got your pod ;) Hey, tell us about welping a Navy Apoc fleet on the B-D undock with no logistics support. Since boat just murdered a bunch of T3s (like 41) and didn't lose much of note besides dictors... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=18184435
I'd say Boat ~rolled~ on ya. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Callduron
375
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:15:00 -
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Treyan Argund wrote:Callduron wrote:Oops just got dunked.
DBRB's TFIs vs a SCRAP/TEST fleet of Ahacs.
Well played Boat, almost got your pod ;) Hey, tell us about welping a Navy Apoc fleet on the B-D undock with no logistics support.
It had been a dark time for the Rebellion. From their gigantic Empire in the North the CFC sent Techfleet and the feared ewarmancers of FYFleet down in massive numbers to be met by a lethargic reaction from the bold rebel heroes.
After a week of desperate rearguard options fighting out-numbered the fickle but wonderful forces of Pandemic Legion descended from Cloud City along with other friends emerging from more shadowy locales.
Victory!
Buoyed up by a wave of enthusiasm and the news that VFK had been SBUed our FC warped all the Foxcats to the B-D undock. History now shows that this was not a good idea. |

Callduron
375
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:21:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Treyan Argund wrote:Callduron wrote:Oops just got dunked.
DBRB's TFIs vs a SCRAP/TEST fleet of Ahacs.
Well played Boat, almost got your pod ;) Hey, tell us about welping a Navy Apoc fleet on the B-D undock with no logistics support. Since boat just murdered a bunch of T3s (like 41) and didn't lose much of note besides dictors... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=18184435I'd say Boat ~rolled~ on ya.
He did indeed, he's a great FC. Sadly underappreciated where he works now:
Endie wrote:On the leadership thing, Dbrb couldn't be CEO of Goonswarm without an astonishing number of accidental deaths. He's a charming if slightly odd boy, but he'd be a terribly bad leader. Also, he's not an SA goon, and we are racists that way. Glass ceiling itt.
I must say I was super-impressed that boat went from something like 280lbs down to a pretty normal weight in this last seven or eight months.
Of course if he were to seek alternative employment elsewhere I can put him in touch with a small band of Rebel heroes who have 8 regions full of structures to grind, from Cloud Ring to Vale. I hear he loves leading structure grinds. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:39:00 -
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If we can't have boat, nobody can. So don't even try sonny. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3658
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Posted - 2013.06.11 23:55:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:If we can't have boat, nobody can. So don't even try sonny. Boat trolls us with his stories and trolls everyone else by burning down their homes. This is the ideal situation for Boat. I am a nullsec zealot. |
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:00:00 -
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"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. |

Callduron
376
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Posted - 2013.06.12 00:52:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too.
I really like hearing stories about Boat, go ahead and tell us more. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3665
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:30:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. Not the newbies... I am a nullsec zealot. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
374
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:33:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. Not the newbies...
SOMEBODY THINK OF THE NEWBIES! ;-; |

Treyan Argund
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:28:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. I really like hearing stories about Boat, go ahead and tell us more.
During the last Fountain campaign after the fall of 6VDT, and Imperian was helicopter-dicking structures everywhere, Boat led an Alphafleet 17 jumps one-way to shoot some SBUs. Several people cried out to Boat that the SBUs were 2 hours away from being out of their timer, but Boat insisted that we were not traveling down the pipe to some dead-end system to kill those SBUs.
Well, we got there, and the SBUs still had 2h left on the timer...
So we popped and podded Boat and went home.
He was in an insufficient clone as well.
Ah, good times...
On the other hand, I personally witnessed Boat in a perfect composition Alphafleet take on a Tengufleet and AHAC fleet and come out with probably ten Maelstrom losses. He simply kited them so bloody perfectly, and for some reason they weren't shooting Huginns. Boat also got said Huginns to web the AHAC gang's anchor, which left them practically dead in the water, while the Tengufleet pissed off after losing half their DPS (50-60 or so). The AHAC gang got annihilated because the anchor/FC was too dumb to realize why he had no transversal.
That was when I was flying covops, and it was a JOY to watch. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
377
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Posted - 2013.06.12 14:43:00 -
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Okay, judging by the post above me, Boat does seem like alot of awesome wrapped into one person. |

Callduron
380
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Posted - 2013.06.13 03:15:00 -
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I remember him barging into other people's fleets and taking over which I think is a lot of the reason why he was rather resented when he first started out as a coalition FC. This was about 3 years ago.
He's matured into one of Eve's best, it's great fighting him. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
364
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Posted - 2013.06.13 04:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. Not the newbies... Newbies are precious and innocent. It's bad enough we trick them into attending pos shoots, dying unceremoniously from a pos gun because :boat:, that's a crime, like infanticide. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3680
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Posted - 2013.06.14 05:54:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. Not the newbies... Newbies are precious and innocent. It's bad enough we trick them into attending pos shoots, dying unceremoniously from a pos gun because :boat:, that's a crime, like infanticide. From when I was a newbie I remember Boat telling all the cruisers and below to go watch one of the gates, actually. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Callduron
386
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Posted - 2013.06.15 08:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:"warp warp warp. cancel warp. if you warped you're dead. fleet warping to POS. Oh, you're 5 days old and were in a frigate? sorry you're supposed to cancel warp if you're a frigate."
He trolls us in other ways too. Not the newbies... Newbies are precious and innocent. It's bad enough we trick them into attending pos shoots, dying unceremoniously from a pos gun because :boat:, that's a crime, like infanticide. From when I was a newbie I remember Boat telling all the cruisers and below to go watch one of the gates, actually.
That one's reasonable on a POS shoot, otherwise the guns might kill you.
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