I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

Really if an alliance is threating to kick you because you lost "your" ship I would tell them to feck off.

I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

Agree. At most you have people laughing at you on Jabber.

Well, I think trying to fine people is going a bit far, since losing a carrier is already quite an incentive to not be a moron with a carrier.

There are plenty of corps and alliances that aren't such sad little carebears. Rather than cower in fear in their pos they might do things like ... I don't know, maybe play the game? Bait the other guy? Rat in ships that are a bit more capable for pvp rather than minmaxed pve turds? Have a small fleet set up so they can do things with protection? Actually defend the space they're in? Idk these are all crazy ideas I guess!

If afk cloaking did not have any influence on other players, then noone would afk cloak. Its pretty simple really.

CCP has said its going to take a look at this, so the current mechanic is probably going to be changed. I do not agree with this, but thats irrelevant anyway since I'm not affected.

The reverse tears will definitely be sweet though...XD

Please just read my signature.

Really, it says all that needs to be said.

There's a funny story. A neutral once came into one of our systems and warped to an anomaly, hoping to catch a tengu or something whith his Rapier.

He ran into a fleet of newbies ratting in rail feroxes.

He died. The end.

I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please.

In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport"

FFS not again...

Until somebody can show me a kill mail where a afk cloaker has killed somebody then there is no problem

Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please.

In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport"

I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking.

1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases.
2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all.
3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential.


Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ).

The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude".

In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird.

1. Crap.. use to undock all the time in my JF with nuets / reds and afk cloakers in system. Just because what ever alliance you are in are fags, its not a problem with teh game mechanics.

2. Again, use to rat all the time in my 3bil Mach with neuts / red in system.. still have the same mach.

3. You should be kicked full stop for flying a mining barge :)

You can tell if somebody is afk cloaking as they will do nothing. Once they uncloak then you know they are at their keyboard :)

Yes there is a counter.. they uncloak and you blap them. You make sure that if they hot drop then they will pay a heavy price. Do this and they will most likely move on to find a easier target.

Good luck building massive amounts of Carriers, Dreads, JF's and other alliance related gear just by reprocessing ratting loot alone.

Post with your main.

1. yeah, that sounds very realistic there, you really think your alliance will ever let you JF or freighter anything again, if you ever get blapped by a known neut ? we're talking billions of iskies here mate, iskies that are NOT yours.

2. Really? i mean, really?
You obviously are either a very lucky man or you are lying through your teeth, there's NO way an even slightly active neut would pass up the opportunity to gank such a juicy target.

And to your reply on point 3 i quote

Post with your main.

1. yeah, that sounds very realistic there, you really think your alliance will ever let you JF or freighter anything again, if you ever get blapped by a known neut ? we're talking billions of iskies here mate, iskies that are NOT yours.

2. Really? i mean, really?
You obviously are either a very lucky man or you are lying through your teeth, there's NO way an even slightly active neut would pass up the opportunity to gank such a juicy target.

And to your reply on point 3 i quote

CCP when can we expec to see sitting in station require interaction to stop my war targets from staying logged in while they sleep?

To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.

y u so stupid? :D srsly

afk cloaker doesnt have to kill anyone... but being involved is enough.

I have alot of victims who have thought that im afk - it takes some really unlucky moment for them when I check local and bang, some expensive ship gets popped & looted.

Though it irritates the **** out of me when my systems have afk cloakers... I never know when I might get gankt :D

If you go afk for 15 minutes you get logged out of the game, period.

As for the cloaky n00bs, let those modules require fuel and/or a mini-game to stay cloaked! They basically come into systems an shut down all operations, and you can't find them to chase them out so you can continue with what you were doing be it ratting or mining etc.

The only people against this are the ones who like to go and sit in a system and shut it down for hours, sometimes weeks! If you want to nerf AFK stuff you should really add the cloak mechanics to that list.

Pro-tip: A cloaked or AFK player cannot "shut down all operations". They can literally do nothing to prevent anything you wish to do. To say you can't continue ratting/mining because of them is absurd. I'll repeat it again: They literally cannot do anything to you. Be less terrible at spaceships online.