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Dyniss Timeless Abyss Productions Apocalypse Now. 19	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:26:00 - [61] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Dyniss wrote: Messoroz wrote: Sure, just make cyno jammers require actively being fueled ozone separately from the tower and at a large rate. This is a good idea too. Adding a fuel cost to the pos module itself allows the sov holder to switch it off and when they need it most. This allows them to keep the logistical backbone going. And you can also 'lock the system down' when you need to deal with the cloaky intruder. Logistics directors all over nullsec just barfed in your direction. In its current form I totally agree with you. But what if the changed the cyno jammers off lining/onlining time to that equal of a dreads siege cycle? This way you're not killing your logistics. They can also balance the fuel cost to keep the structure online so it's used more as a defensive tool, rather than something you keep on all the time.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1725	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:32:00 - [62] - Quote Dyniss wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: Dyniss wrote: Messoroz wrote: Sure, just make cyno jammers require actively being fueled ozone separately from the tower and at a large rate. This is a good idea too. Adding a fuel cost to the pos module itself allows the sov holder to switch it off and when they need it most. This allows them to keep the logistical backbone going. And you can also 'lock the system down' when you need to deal with the cloaky intruder. Logistics directors all over nullsec just barfed in your direction. In its current form I totally agree with you. But what if the changed the cyno jammers off lining time to that equal to a dreads siege cycle? This way you're not killing your logistics. Just balance the fuel cost to keep the structure online so it's used more as a defensive tool, rather than something you keep on all the time. This is pretty much how they are used already. Strategic systems tend to have the things anchored but not onlined and they are turned on in times of need. There's literally no need to change the system at all. Sidenote: If you find a system that's permanently cynojammed, congratulations you likely just found a CSAA or two building supers.
baltec1 Bat Country 6860	Posted - 2013.06.07 04:54:00 - [63] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: baltec1 wrote: Given that an afk cloaker cant do anything to another player I dont see any need for change. Just the act its self of being afk changes the game for others. It should require interaction just like every other part of the game. So you think we should also be active when docked or in a pos or get kicked out? The only difference between the three is that you also show up on d-scan while in the pos.
Digital Messiah Heroic Era 300	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:01:00 - [64] - Quote Ships that have a cloaking devices can not fit cyno's, problem solved. If one person is shutting down a whole system you must have bad security. Join a Heroic Era today!
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1726	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:04:00 - [65] - Quote Alternatively you can just not be in a garbage corp/alliance that has to rent a single system from someone who doesn't suck.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 802	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:32:00 - [66] - Quote Digital Messiah wrote: Ships that have a cloaking devices can not fit cyno's, problem solved. If one person is shutting down a whole system you must have bad security. Which, you know, doesn't defeat the whole purpose of blackops fleets, the entire recon, bomber, t3 covert line... No, no, that would solve so many non-existent problems while breaking nothing of value! Wow really does show how pathetic Goonswarm is, u drop 8 blackops onto a logi ship in the middle of nowhere, maybe when goonswarm gets some skilled pilots then mayb just mayb you'll be able to compete with TEST. I would fully support account bans by ccp for meta type stuff like this.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 3656	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:35:00 - [67] - Quote Yup, AFK mining is gone. AFK cloaking has much greater impact on the economy and the social aspects of the game than any AFK miner ever did. Surely it is time to add the loot spew mechanic to cloaking! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 978	Posted - 2013.06.07 05:53:00 - [68] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Just like with the ice miners needing interaction so to should the cloaker. How is an AFK cloaker profiting by being AFK in any random system? Don't compare AFK cloaking to ice mining please. Oh god.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 663	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:07:00 - [69] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: baltec1 wrote: Given that an afk cloaker cant do anything to another player I dont see any need for change. Just the act its self of being afk changes the game for others. It should require interaction just like every other part of the game. I had sarcastically written nerf afk all kinds of things earlier. But just because its sarcastic does not mean its not true... I play the market AFK. I autopilot AFK. I manufacture AFK. I POS sit AFK. I stay docked AFK. So you see, the only thing the act of being cloaked afk changes for others is their perception. Since they don't perceive danger in any of the other activities, they don't cry about it. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
handige harrie Hedion University Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:10:00 - [70] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: E-2C Hawkeye wrote: How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU) Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game? You let people who aren't actually playing the game have an impact on you? When has an AFK cloaked guy ever killed someone? all the cloaked people in Jita are causing traffic jams, leading to suicide ganks. Baddest poster ever

Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 728	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:11:00 - [71] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please. In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport" You must be a bitter null-bear. In the words of the late but great Frank Zappa Frank Zappa wrote: "Tell you what GÇö Kiss my ass! How do you like thatGÇª?" "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 447	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:18:00 - [72] - Quote CCP can require interaction to stay cloaked when it requires interaction to see who is in system, rather than just looking at local. Going in system and logging off is no different than going in system and cloaking, except you still show up in local. Free intel from local is the problem. AFK cloaking is the solution. Stop trying to break the game. If you get to nerf cloaking, then I want 100 km radius T1 smartbombs that deal 200k damage and can be mounted on a rookie frig. Won't be imbalanced at all.... handige harrie wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: E-2C Hawkeye wrote: How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU) Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game? You let people who aren't actually playing the game have an impact on you? When has an AFK cloaked guy ever killed someone? all the cloaked people in Jita are causing traffic jams, leading to suicide ganks. Ummm... cloaking has nothing do do with the limits in Jita. They can just enter Jita, and dock up... and then people will start piling up at the gates into Jita,
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1157	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:49:00 - [73] - Quote This thread again Nullsec whiners tears best tears
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3606	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:50:00 - [74] - Quote I should camp more now that we are ~officially~ invading. But then again they're evacing all the PVE stuff anyway so there would be no point I guess. I am a nullsec zealot.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1258	Posted - 2013.06.07 06:56:00 - [75] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU) Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game? Please let me know how I can cause you harm when I am cloaked. This is not a signature.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2853	Posted - 2013.06.07 07:04:00 - [76] - Quote How about a compromise. Fuel for cloaks AND no more local in nullsec. No? How about ships being able to dial in system to system warp without gates? No? Ah, somebody wants to run bots safely behind their renters.
BadAssMcKill Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 276	Posted - 2013.06.07 07:04:00 - [77] - Quote Pls no more "afk cloakers are ruining my system" threads or I will cry http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif-á
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 149	Posted - 2013.06.07 07:04:00 - [78] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please. That's horrible, why would any sane person want that? o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3606	Posted - 2013.06.07 07:08:00 - [79] - Quote BadAssMcKill wrote: Pls no more "afk cloakers are ruining my system" threads or I will cry I'm not sure f those tears or the "afk cloakers are ruining my system" tears are better... I am a nullsec zealot.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 149	Posted - 2013.06.07 07:12:00 - [80] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard. Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play. AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min. If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are. But... If You let an AFK cloaker influence Your actions, then that's Your decision. Yours alone, nobody has forced or will ever be able to force You to do anything else just by being afk, that's just not possible. Mind Control Rays have not yet been invented. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.

Lugalbandak Anunnaku Industrial Corp. S2N Citizens 0	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:06:00 - [81] - Quote When is see afk cloacker in system , i will do the ***** same , cloack also up , that will teach the *****!!! Lol , no Afk cloaking isnt a problem , cause that dude wont do anything, Null is not like highsec its kinda end game and shouldnt be easy , If you rent or be in alliance and you like to rat you should also have a small pvp force , or atleast rat in pvp ships. im sure you know after time who the cyno alts are and who the afk cloackers are. in short , i dont think that ccp should change anything , and for local , we have wh space where you dont have local , if you like that you can live inside those Thats the nice thing of eve , many choices. My couple of cents fly safe o/
TheButcherPete The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance 251	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:15:00 - [82] - Quote Post with your main THE KING OF EVE RADIO ElQuirko is my son
The VC's Spack Force 5 135	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:52:00 - [83] - Quote AFK cloaking separates the men from the girls. If the complaints were from players who regularly pvp, and who are used to losing ships and getting their own kills, them maybe I would take these crys more seriously. But it never is those guys. You live on the frontier and enjoy it's bounty. If you can't get used to having to fend of a wolf or bear from time to time, go back east. One in five people are Chinese. There are five people in my family, so one must be Chinese. It's either my mum, my dad, my older brother Colin or my younger brother Ho-Cha-Chu. But I think it's Colin
Mrs Management Limited Liabilty 1	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:56:00 - [84] - Quote 10,000 CPU to fit cloak and give ships that are design to cloak a -99% reduction to cpu usage. Cloakers Cloak all other ship cannot fit them ..... problem solved.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 3349	Posted - 2013.06.07 08:57:00 - [85] - Quote "CCP when can we expect to see cloaking require interaction to stay cloaked?" You can't expect it because CCP have no issue with the way that cloaking currently works and no one has been able to come up with a compelling argument as to why this stance should change. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3606	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:00:00 - [86] - Quote Mrs Management wrote: 10,000 CPU to fit cloak and give ships that are design to cloak a -99% reduction to cpu usage. Cloakers Cloak all other ship cannot fit them ..... problem solved. Isn't that what happens with covert ops cloaks? I am a nullsec zealot.
Mark Androcius 115	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:01:00 - [87] - Quote I will not make any suggestions here but, i will list the things impacted by afk cloaking. 1. undock your carrier with a neut in system ( afk cloak or otherwise ) = kick from alliance in most cases. 2. undock and rat in your 300 mil plus ship with a neut in system = alliance will not be to happy with you and a kick isn't uncommon at all. 3. undock a miner barge with a neut in system = possible corp aggravation and long term kick potential. Business stops all the way, the entire system is basically locked, whether the neut is afk or not ( we can not know this after all ). The new changes that came with Odyssey, also made it a lot easier to find stuff, meaning that an afk cloaker can stay in system for days, check everything out, get everyone comfortable with the situation and strike just when everybody think "meh, it's just an afk dude". In my opinion, cloaking is a legitimate mechanic, but seeing that it has no counter ( in terms of modules ) it does seem kinda weird. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1351	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:02:00 - [88] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please. In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport" When will we see local require interaction and effort to provide intel? Until that happens, you cannot make changes to cloaking that aren't hideously unbalanced and little more than coddling bears who have no right being in nullsec
blood spine Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons 12	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:04:00 - [89] - Quote This should never ever happen as the person several places above me said HTFU. but I do agree with the idea of cloaked persons being removed from local until the speak as this adds a sense of danger to places where there is none. Something like "Ok I am here alone but wait could there be a guy cloaked in here" the cue the paranoia
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1108	Posted - 2013.06.07 09:05:00 - [90] - Quote Make them push a buttan every X minutes like that island show where some people got lost Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.



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