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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
1330
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Posted - 2013.06.14 08:29:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Aaaaand I'll just run incursions. F8ck that noise.
Did I just successfully troll you? http://www.TalocanUnited.com |
Vivian Marcos
Grumpy Bastards Mass Overload
3
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Posted - 2013.06.14 10:17:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Devs have confirmed a new gas mining "minigame" where harvesters have to move their cursor quickly back and forth over the screen (ala touch phone games) to collect all the fullerite "coin" containers before they disappear. Points can be won to use in upgrades to harvester collection area and rare C320/C540 drops.
That made my day ;D
And also to the whole hackking mini game thing, in general it isnt just click buttons until things happen, if you want to do it faster it takes a bit more strategy..... My loki does it slower than my friend does it in a drake, I stink. (to make mention a corpy in a legion does it faster than us both combined but still)
Hey sky, get back to work! U 2 cips.... |
chris elliot
EG CORP Mass Overload
187
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Posted - 2013.06.14 15:02:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:chris elliot wrote:Aaaaand I'll just run incursions. F8ck that noise. Did I just successfully troll you?
Given how terrible some of the devposts have been lately that actually seemed highly plausible. |
Matthias Vilmet
Parallax Shift The Periphery
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:30:00 -
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I like the minigame. I wish it was harder... maybe like having an antivirus chasing you through the areas you have already unlocked? When it catches you, your virus health begins ticking away.
As it is now, I have no chance of failing. |
Aderoth Anstian
Heaven's End League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:55:00 -
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Personal opinion is the mini-game is easy. mittani.com has a good tips/tricks article that will reduce the amount of time needed to hack/analyze. If it's taking an hour and a half to clear all the cans then you are doing it wrong.
themittani.com hacking guide |
Grunanca
Sickology
7
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Posted - 2013.06.14 19:22:00 -
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In my opinion, its all good to have the mini game. But OMG the can spewing thing completely ruins it. I did a c3 site solo just some minutes ago. Took me 25 min to clear rats, for about 70 mil worth of loot. Then I started hacking which took 35 min. If it hadnt been for a 15 mil drop in the last can, I only would have made 5 mil in 30 min. Thats not even worth the risk of sitting there open for ganks from other players. Make it back to lootable cans, but keep the minigame, its kinda okay... |
Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures Un.Bound
30
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Posted - 2013.06.14 19:36:00 -
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Nykr wrote:Alexander McKeon wrote: It would have been more ISK-efficient to hop in RR tengus and run a site in our static & buy the loot required for T3 production.
And then here everyone does that. There is no supply and a lot more damand then before. Price skyrockets and it is suddenly worth doing it. Now everyone starts hacking again and supply goes up. And demand goes down. This will even out at a point where there is enough people that find it worthwile to run the sites. And there are enough buyers for the specific price. And suddenly the economy has adapted, like magic.
Financial incentives should not be a justification for bad game design. If the new cans always dropped T2 BPOs but could only be opened after twelve hours of orbiting and key mashing, people would still do it for the ISK even though the experience itself would be terrible.
The hacking phase of the old w-space sites was boring, but at least it was brief and could be handled by a few or even just one person. Making the new sites even more tedious group affairs where most people have nothing to do but sit and wait makes this a step backwards to the wormhole gameplay experience. |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
1024
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Posted - 2013.06.15 06:18:00 -
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Wow, I opened the mittani.com link and my eyes glazed over. Seriously, if you care enough about being leet that you need to bust viruses and **** faster than anyone else, just write a damn bot for it already. otherwise, this is just punishment meted out to people who should be humping roids to drive down the price of trit so I can buy my Naglfar cheaper. Indigently pwning indifferently. Some sucker buy me a Naglfar. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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DrBmN
Axial tilt
10
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Posted - 2013.06.15 07:25:00 -
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Uejene wrote:Talacon Battleship Wrecks is normally big money because we use for t3 production. When we went to salvage wreck salvaging did not work on it we had to analyze it to open. I analyzed the wreck and we got nothing but trash like carbon. In a c5 where are we suppose to get hull prints now?
no more salvaging the talocan wreck?? :(
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Bloody Wench
545
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Posted - 2013.06.15 17:43:00 -
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Got to do a Radar tonight for the first time since the patch.
It will be the last I do as well.
The mini game is complete garbage.
Having to do it a dozen times per site? No thanks.
Having just one can with all the sites loot in it I might consider, but even so, not likely.
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Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
195
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:09:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Got to do a Radar tonight for the first time since the patch.
It will be the last I do as well.
The mini game is complete garbage.
Having to do it a dozen times per site? No thanks.
Having just one can with all the sites loot in it I might consider, but even so, not likely.
I found the Mag Sites to be HUGELY valuable given the new loot drop rates, but yes, the Radars were complete garbage. 650 mil from a mag site's cans, ~40 mil from two different Radar Sites cans. le Sigh.
Svo. CEO of Heaven's End; Seller of Wormholes. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
130
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:51:00 -
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Yep. The number of cans is a bit ridiculous.
The design was that a single person couldn't nab all the cans, which is fine and all, but it falls apart when you realize your wingman can't help you do the hacking and is there solely to sit around and wait for you to finish. James Arget for CSM 8! Wormholes and the Player Perspective
http://csm.fcftw.org |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
304
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Posted - 2013.06.17 00:28:00 -
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Besides, you mostly grab garbage in the cans. |
Herman Menderchuck
AscendoTech Research and Development
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Posted - 2013.06.17 01:02:00 -
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Why not just unlock loot via the mini-game? Hackers still have to pick and choose what loot to go after, but once you unlock a can on the hack board, it stays in space for a bit. Hackers wouldn't be able to get all the loot due to limited coherence. Get rid of the stoopid grabby game. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1450
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Posted - 2013.06.17 05:52:00 -
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OMG
So i just did my first C4 relic and data sites. All i can say is screw that.
First off my hacker toon has max skills, T2 analyzers and rigs, and I failed hacking too many times. So random with luck it seems.
I finally gave up after my wrist gave out, started getting carpel tunnel. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
489
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Posted - 2013.06.17 11:40:00 -
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I did a few c5 mags since the patch and they are still extremely profitable. I did them solo, but if I was in a group, I would just do those sites first and have the group move on to anoms while 1-2 hackers (or one guy and his alt) finish the cans.
I dislike the loot spew mechanic. Mostly because it is so damn difficult to pick a particular can until they have moved a lot, and then they are already starting to disintegrate.
Still, even though I could not grab everything, I got more out of a site than on average before Odyssey. Since the loot was always very very random I cannot say yet how much the average has gone up, but I feel it has gone up.
I know that most of the relic/data sites in w-space are worthless... basically all of the data sites anywhere and most of the relic sites in c1-4. That sucks, but has nothing to do with the new system, those sites were always worthless.
The ISK/hour however has definitely gone down because the hacking and travelling between cans takes so much longer. You need to put your hacker and your alt in a perfect position now to get the most loot, instead of just start the hacking from 6k away. I cannot complain though because the ISK/hour was insanely good before and is now merely very good.
Doing the sites felt a lot more exciting than before. The hacking game takes a lot of time and a bit of concentration, so you have to sit there exposed for quite a while. Watching for new sigs and hitting d-scan as often as possible while still progressing with the hacking. I haven't felt so thrilled while doing pve ever before.
As for the difficulty, I did the site with an unbonused hacker ship with T2 analyzer and 1x T2 rig and finished 80% of the cans on first try, nearly all the rest on second try. And I don't even feel I use the best approach yet. So if you constantly fail with good skills, it's not the game, it's you. Try harder. . |
Britta Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:03:00 -
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The new site mechanics are only better in low/null due to removal of npc's.
Also, for those that say it's ez mode. Wait until you run into multiple restorations. My record so far is three times in one hack. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1450
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:26:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote: As for the difficulty, I did the site with an unbonused hacker ship with T2 analyzer and 1x T2 rig and finished 80% of the cans on first try, nearly all the rest on second try. And I don't even feel I use the best approach yet. So if you constantly fail with good skills, it's not the game, it's you. Try harder.
Yea right.
When I can run into 3 restoration nodes within the first 5 clicks I dont see that as not trying hard enough. Just as dumb luck. And that's the annoying part. Too much of the minigame is dumb luck.
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Indo Nira
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Polarized.
76
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:43:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote: As for the difficulty, I did the site with an unbonused hacker ship with T2 analyzer and 1x T2 rig and finished 80% of the cans on first try, nearly all the rest on second try. And I don't even feel I use the best approach yet. So if you constantly fail with good skills, it's not the game, it's you. Try harder.
Yea right. When I can run into 3 restoration nodes within the first 5 clicks I dont see that as not trying hard enough. Just as dumb luck. And that's the annoying part. Too much of the minigame is dumb luck.
rng is rng. just like with nanoribbons. now try harder |
Matthias Vilmet
Parallax Shift The Periphery
17
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:14:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:OMG
So i just did my first C4 relic and data sites. All i can say is screw that.
First off my hacker toon has max skills, T2 analyzers and rigs, and I failed hacking too many times. So random with luck it seems.
I finally gave up after my wrist gave out, started getting carpel tunnel.
Why would you have wrist problems? were you somehow forced to click really fast? I have a t2 analyzer, Hacking 5, and I am in my hacking Helios (I believe I have hacking Rigs)..... I cannot fail the games.I don't even know what to do with the helpful nodes they provide.
Your argument is invalid. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1450
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:02:00 -
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Matthias Vilmet wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:OMG
So i just did my first C4 relic and data sites. All i can say is screw that.
First off my hacker toon has max skills, T2 analyzers and rigs, and I failed hacking too many times. So random with luck it seems.
I finally gave up after my wrist gave out, started getting carpel tunnel. Why would you have wrist problems? were you somehow forced to click really fast? I have a t2 analyzer, Hacking 5, and I am in my hacking Helios (I believe I have hacking Rigs)..... I cannot fail the games.I don't even know what to do with the helpful nodes they provide. Your argument is invalid.
Yes I completely suck. I don't even know how I've managed this long in EVE.
I did have a bit better luck this morning. Fewer reinforcement nodes, more helpful nodes.
Minigame still sucks overall |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1208
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:34:00 -
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trying the hacking minigame for the first time i felt like i just arrived at a theoretical physics conference to find out that the main speaker is sarah palin.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
GoMg JoeE2
Green-Core I -1.0 I
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:19:00 -
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Good Grief! I used to run c2/3 sites solo. Loved em as I could get good salvage then get some decent loot from the cans. Now I run em solo and get crap for salvage and even worse crap for loot. Takes me 5 times longer to hack a can (I have L5 skills and bonused ship and rigs and T2 mods on alt's) than it did. WH life just got crappier.
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Johnson 1044
Johnson Organic Produce
20
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:34:00 -
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Sadly, just about everything related to exploration in Odyssey stinks. Pretty major failure when this whole expansion was about exploration. |
Srensis
Hard Knocks Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:55:00 -
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While i do like earning 500+ mil per site, usually upwards of 800, I hate the new game. Also usually able to get it on first/second try, still tedious and doesn't have an "eve feel" to it. It's also easy to grab all the containers with only yourself and an alt. |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
309
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Posted - 2013.06.21 02:44:00 -
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Its minesweepers in space! |
Dex DelaVenuto
Sky Templars
10
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:49:00 -
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You scanned a crap and cracked the crap ended up with more crap. And I'm gonna crack. |
Hiljah
Out of Aces
0
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Posted - 2013.06.24 18:37:00 -
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Did a radar site. I won't do it again. Only a class 2. Even if I wanted to spend the time, I can grab 20% of the loot at most. These sites are only for four man gangs? |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
313
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:22:00 -
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Day trippers are so screw....
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Hiljah
Out of Aces
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:51:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Day trippers are so screw....
Let's say I was 6 jumps from home instead of 24, and it was a class 3, and I felt like getting my dedicated scanner... Can a frig grab all the loot? AB or MWD? Would a short range aoe tractor be too much to ask for? |
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