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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:50:00 -
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I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Necrologic
I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:17:00 -
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Ask the GMs to put a Z at the start of your name 
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Ask the GMs to put a Z at the start of your name
Going to file comedy petition for name change 
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Caeruleus Ardea
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:26:00 -
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Belt piracy is a lot more involved than just ganking or sniping and requires more skill to be effective. Takes practice, but you learn a lot and you can make a lot as well. Plus its a lot more fun to hunt someone rather than sit around (sounds like mining ships instead of ore to me).
I have had a good bit of success pirating in belts, not to say that there isn't a learning curve, but once you get the basics (using a scanner fast and effectively) you can start doing some damage and putting that isk in your pocket.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
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As for belt piracy only way we can really manage is covert ops alts but then they get known and are useless so we go back to tanking...
You could always hop into a smaller ship (i.e. cruiser/frigate) and learn to use the scanner, rather than using a covops alt to warp your bs gank squad on top of that 10 day old NPC corp caracal
pff, if you would ever tried belt piracy you would know it better. Best is if you enter a system in a navitas and you make 5 BS dock and smack from station how much you suck since you couldnt kill them. Sorry but thats the reality you face when you try to pirate in low sec.
Its just not worth the time or my appearence since the ammount of bad language and insults is nothing I want to see when I play a game.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 00:32:12
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 00:31:06
Originally by: Caeruleus Ardea
(using a scanner fast and effectively) you can start doing some damage and putting that isk in your pocket.
If you mean adding the belts to overview, warpping to the planet, putting the range to 180 and see what shows up and what belts on teh scanner, narrowing it more then 60 and looking at the previously shown up belts that showed goodies it isn't hard to do, but I'd love to know how you are suppose to do this without resorting to a alt. Anyone that sees you in local checks you out (I know because as soon as I enter system the idiots convo straight away because I have filter off), see your security and run.
Basically, I am calling BS on you. Gate piracy is the only piracy in low security for us outlaws, and ccp gives us no other options but to kill everything that enters.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen
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As for belt piracy only way we can really manage is covert ops alts but then they get known and are useless so we go back to tanking...
You could always hop into a smaller ship (i.e. cruiser/frigate) and learn to use the scanner, rather than using a covops alt to warp your bs gank squad on top of that 10 day old NPC corp caracal
pff, if you would ever tried belt piracy you would know it better. Best is if you enter a system in a navitas and you make 5 BS dock and smack from station how much you suck since you couldnt kill them. Sorry but thats the reality you face when you try to pirate in low sec.
Its just not worth the time or my appearence since the ammount of bad language and insults is nothing I want to see when I play a game.
now you are talking with your lazy excuse gene.
during the last month i have made so freaking much isk doing belt piracy.
our members have killed ravens solo with frigates, we have gangbanged ppl everywhere in system where we have managed to find their missionspots or safespots.
loot has been awesome enough for me to buy and insure 3more battleships this month.
ive also bought me a couple of hacs to play with and a assortment of intys, assault, BC's and regular cruisers.
and you know what?, i still got money and **** to sell.
maybe you just are trying to do it in the wrong way?
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 00:32:12
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 00:31:06
Originally by: Caeruleus Ardea
(using a scanner fast and effectively) you can start doing some damage and putting that isk in your pocket.
If you mean adding the belts to overview, warpping to the planet, putting the range to 180 and see what shows up and what belts on teh scanner, narrowing it more then 60 and looking at the previously shown up belts that showed goodies it isn't hard to do, but I'd love to know how you are suppose to do this without resorting to a alt. Anyone that sees you in local checks you out (I know because as soon as I enter system the idiots convo straight away because I have filter off), see your security and run.
Basically, I am calling BS on you. Gate piracy is the only piracy in low security for us outlaws, and ccp gives us no other options but to kill everything that enters.
if you know the system it doesnt take more then 30sec to narrow down around wich area a person is in and the another 30sec to know exactly where he is if he isnt at a safespot or one of those funky off plane safespots wich cant be probed.
and if he is at a safespot you can probe then you should have someone probe him asap. and then go kill/ransom him.
but that would mean working harder then sitting 151k off the gate 23/7 doing "target....shoot" and have a hauler loot and dump in station.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:44:00 -
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I really don't get this. I have gone to -10 just from belt pirating. I haven't gate ganked, or sniped once. People don't just insta dock as soon as they see you on local in my experiance (then again I live only in one system).
Maybe the people in aunenen are just not as bright as everyone else? Maybe I have more patience?  I certainly didn't expect to hear that old belt pirating is too hard argument from a member of Teddys.
Every now and again I will get someone on local saying "where are you pirates" or some such, because they actually EXPECT you to only gate gank, but I don't think my rifter would last very long. Pirates have been making excuses for not belt pirating for too long.
I hope I don't sound like I am flaming anyone, but if we can do it, i'm sure people who have been pirating for 1 year + should be able to do.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:46:00 -
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Every system I vist they log off or dock at the station with instas. Can't exactly probe them out.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic
I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
So THAT'S why i'm succesful...
Not that it matters when there are only a couple people in local.
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Day Trade
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
now you are talking with your lazy excuse gene.
during the last month i have made so freaking much isk doing belt piracy.
our members have killed ravens solo with frigates, we have gangbanged ppl everywhere in system where we have managed to find their missionspots or safespots.
loot has been awesome enough for me to buy and insure 3more battleships this month.
ive also bought me a couple of hacs to play with and a assortment of intys, assault, BC's and regular cruisers.
and you know what?, i still got money and **** to sell.
maybe you just are trying to do it in the wrong way?
We can't all own in Eve mr. Malken, if we did none would own in RL and the economy would fail. |
Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
heh no piracy in 0.0 what a joke. Don't speak on something you have no idea about. Because you fail doesn't mean others fail.
How exactly do you figure this?
You can *sort of* pirate in unclaimed 0.0, or contested 0.0 -- but it's absolutely pointless in the majority of 0.0 -- somebody sees you, get's in alliance chat and you're blobbed in an instant.
Sorry, I don't do blob fights :)
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In short:
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic
I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
So THAT'S why i'm succesful...
Not that it matters when there are only a couple people in local.
Most locals only show 3-4 names, odds are yours would appear at the bottom and not at the top screaming "PIRATE BE HERE".
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:52:00 -
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You know, instead of whining about how you can't do enough damage at 150km+ after the patch, you could get a friend in a tanked and/or boosted Raven (+resists post RMR, too) to just scramble whatever defenseless haulers come through so you have extra time to kill them.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Day Trade
Originally by: Malken
now you are talking with your lazy excuse gene.
during the last month i have made so freaking much isk doing belt piracy.
our members have killed ravens solo with frigates, we have gangbanged ppl everywhere in system where we have managed to find their missionspots or safespots.
loot has been awesome enough for me to buy and insure 3more battleships this month.
ive also bought me a couple of hacs to play with and a assortment of intys, assault, BC's and regular cruisers.
and you know what?, i still got money and **** to sell.
maybe you just are trying to do it in the wrong way?
We can't all own in Eve mr. Malken, if we did none would own in RL and the economy would fail.
of course we cant mr.noname alt who smells of new clone issues.
infact im the one of our gang with the most losses as im often on at weird hours fighting solo.
and its not a question of owning everyone, its a question is it possible or not.
and im just outright shocked that some wellknown pirates says it is impossible to do belt piracy anymore and both me and Psycarne has shown that it is not impossible.
it is infact highly possible.
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Firstname Lastname
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:00:00 -
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I had an idea for a lowsec revamp a while back, it went something like this:
.4 sec, close to highsec empire, has sentries, real-time local list update, faction navy battleships that attack pirates (not unkillable like CONCORD, just good guys instead of pirate rats) at every gate & sentries, harder to pirate in but possible
.3 sec, further in, delayed local update, sentries & frigate navy npcs that engage pirates at gates & stations
.2 sec, no faction npcs, delayed local, weaker sentries that are possibly destroyable i dunno
.1 sec, no sentries, delayed local, possible battleship/cruiser rat spawns on gate, making it possible to pirate gates in smaller ships
also in the ideal world sentries wouldn't fire on you after you left and came back, and wouldn't fire on you if you ganked someone in a belt but that's just me.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
and im just outright shocked that some wellknown pirates says it is impossible to do belt piracy anymore and both me and Psycarne has shown that it is not impossible.
FRAPS plz, I bet you use an alt not to mention again your names don't appear on top of local.
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Werner Bohr
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Perfektion
Dio wouldnt go into 0.0. the people there might actually fight back.
Sup Camador
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 09/11/2005 01:05:48
Originally by: Werner Bohr
Originally by: Perfektion
Dio wouldnt go into 0.0. the people there might actually fight back.
Sup Camador
I guess he is still kissing Burn Eden butt since he needs hide behind an alt.
<!Insert WCS Joke>
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Malken
and im just outright shocked that some wellknown pirates says it is impossible to do belt piracy anymore and both me and Psycarne has shown that it is not impossible.
FRAPS plz, I bet you use an alt not to mention again your names don't appear on top of local.
I have about 24GBs, god knows how much Malken has got  . There is a wombles video in the works btw, it is called "How we make cans".
Im having compatibility problems though, so I can't complete it until I get some better editing software (I need to speed up the scenes by 25% but what i'm using atm is crap).
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:22:00 -
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Belt piracy and complex piracy are both alive and well. Retards in Eve(bears), routinely fail to watch local. It's like the fricking golden rule of eve!
Only limiting factor are sec hits which, thb, are the biggest inhibitor by far. Logic and maximizing your profit entails moving around frequently and placing yourself in optimal "choke" points of low sec around the galaxy. Sec hits make that process a huge PITA.
WTB the old days where your sec status eroded positively when you went "afk" on a given character for a period of time. If we could get that back, then all you'd have to do is field a stable of alts and pirate consecutively with them while the ones on "afk" status redeemed their sec status >< :)
What pirates need
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.11.09 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Berak FalCheran
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
heh no piracy in 0.0 what a joke. Don't speak on something you have no idea about. Because you fail doesn't mean others fail.
How exactly do you figure this?
You can *sort of* pirate in unclaimed 0.0, or contested 0.0 -- but it's absolutely pointless in the majority of 0.0 -- somebody sees you, get's in alliance chat and you're blobbed in an instant.
Sorry, I don't do blob fights :)
Well it's rather simple really. You should know if you have played EVE long that Alliances mine. Alliances build stuff and move stuff around. Some weaker alliances even do this with weak defenses. Which alliances, well that's something you have to research as I did. The isk is there just as it is in empire with people running with weak defense into 0.4-0.1 systems.
I really don't understand what you mean by "Blob Fights". I mean do you really think that if you happen to gank a alliance hauler that a massive blob is going to come and find you and instant pop you? I mean if you're sitting there gate camping as in NOT ROAMING or even worse not using tactics then yeah I guess I could fear a blob. Being a solo pirate/pvp pilot, if someone sends a blob down to flush me out then by the time they get there im already gone or SS cloaked.
Maybe you're just one of them guys who likes to set up camp in one system and not roam around though. So people know where you are and so you can be blobbed. But hey, we all have weaknesses eh?
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.11.09 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic
I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
So THAT'S why i'm succesful...
Not that it matters when there are only a couple people in local.
Most locals only show 3-4 names, odds are yours would appear at the bottom and not at the top screaming "PIRATE BE HERE".
99% of the time there arn't more than 3 people in system. Normally if sombody is in a belt i am on top of them within 30 seconds if i know the system, 40 if i don't. Saying you can't get kills or make a profit because of where your name shows in local is pritty weak, chances are much higher that you just suck at catching people, but i've never seen you in action so i don't really know.
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albert camus
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Posted - 2005.11.09 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Necrologic
I'll continue making a profit doing belt piracy.
Your name also doesn't appear on the top of local.
You think your name is bad I am 90% of the time always at the TOP of the local list 
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.11.09 09:18:00 -
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It's alot easier to make a living without camping up north because noobs congregate around nonni and spill out into low sec.
The southern regions are horrible for belt/plex ratting.
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Azaeren
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Posted - 2005.11.09 09:52:00 -
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Well, I just wish I could have popped this freighter, going through lowsec without instas :D
ok here are stats from the fight:
Time: 11/3/2005 12:38:35 PM
Character: Azaeren
Location: XXXXXXXXXX a 0.3 system
Duration: 00:05:39 <lol almost 6 minutes at a gate>
My Weapons Used
800mm Repeating Artillery I
Enemies Attacked
Tardplayer with expensive ship 'Akira'(Fenrir)
Damage Done: 37014.80
Damage Received: 41906.30 <from sentrys and billboard, not the guy as he has no weapons>
Atleast I got a 70m isk ransom before he managed to crawl to the gate and jump out. Im wondering how much it cost him to repair that beast of a ship. |
Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.11.09 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
So fellow yarrs, what do you plan on doing since sniping (the only way to actually make isk in piracy) is gone and instas are still in.
We will be doing the exact same thing we always have been doing - ransoming people in belts.
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VHI - Yes, we are belt pirates.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.11.09 10:36:00 -
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Dude just check the video channel theres tons of movies about belt piracy, the ones from Lyticus (s******dly) come to my mind for example...
Maybe you should get down your tall horse and realise belt piracy aint too hard but u just suck at it? (not a flame, everyone need to learn at some point)
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